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McCain Tells Mexico: Border Security First
Web India 123 ^ | 07.05.2008 | Web India 123

Posted on 07/05/2008 12:48:16 PM PDT by Coffee200am

Presumptive Republican U.S. presidential nominee John McCain told Mexican leaders security at the border is a precondition of immigration reform.

McCain ended a visit to Colombia and Mexico Thursday, The Arizona Republic reported.

I believe we must have comprehensive immigration reform. The American people want our borders secured first, McCain said at a Mexico City news conference. That will require some walls. It will require virtual fences. It will require high-technology equipment. We must secure our borders, and then we will address the issue of comprehensive immigration reform.

McCain was one of the authors of an immigration reform bill that failed to get any traction in Congress, and caused him to lose support among illegal immigration hard-liners. Since then, he has toughened his stance on the issue.

McCain, accompanied by his wife, Cindy, and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, also visited the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe, the most important Catholic shrine in Mexico.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; fence; illegals; immigrantlist; jebbush; juanmccain; rino; security; wod
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1 posted on 07/05/2008 12:48:16 PM PDT by Coffee200am
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To: Coffee200am

Blah, blah, blah. We KNOW what mclame has in store for us regarding ILLEGALS==and it won’t be pretty.


2 posted on 07/05/2008 12:51:22 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Coffee200am
Saying and doing are two different thing.


3 posted on 07/05/2008 12:51:28 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Coffee200am

Virtual fences, imagined by virtual conservatives,
will stop virtually none of the Crimigrants.


4 posted on 07/05/2008 12:54:41 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Coffee200am

I like Jebb Bush, but immigration is not exactly his strong point.

I suppose it’s a step forward that McCain has been brought around to the point where he thinks it’s worth lying to the conservative base instead of just sticking another finger in their eye.

But a trip to Mexico and Guatemala may not have been the best place to do it.


5 posted on 07/05/2008 12:55:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Coffee200am
Something to watch out for.

Do not accept just the state governors certifying that their borders are secure when the govt announces it.

Trust but verify with citizen groups. Meaning that citizens groups should be included in the certification, such as the Minutemen, and some of the larger anti-illegal immigration groups.

They will never secure the border unless it's forced on them!

6 posted on 07/05/2008 12:56:06 PM PDT by msnpatriot
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To: Coffee200am

Ya, YA,

Border Security first, kind of like we have now. Don’t worry Juan, they can all sneak over later when it gets dark.


7 posted on 07/05/2008 12:57:08 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: freeangel

“Comprehensive immigration reform will be my top priority yesterday, today, and tomorrow!” —John McCain in Mexico City.


8 posted on 07/05/2008 12:58:28 PM PDT by Rottweilerson
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To: Coffee200am
I believe we must have comprehensive immigration reform. The American people want our borders secured first

Too bad McCain and the American people are not on the same page. If they were McCain would be emphasizing border security over comprehensive immigration reform (aka, amnesty for illegals).

This is another example of Washington/McCain being out of touch.
9 posted on 07/05/2008 12:59:31 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Coffee200am

I believe precious little of what McCain has to say because his history in our government tells me something completely different than his current words. If I’m not mistaken, McCain has been a member of the senate since his amnesty plan went down in flames and he has done absolutely nothing to make the border more secure ... he just talks about doing something. I’m not impressed.


10 posted on 07/05/2008 1:00:03 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rottweilerson

Sort of lends a whole new meaning to the term “Cap and Trade”.


11 posted on 07/05/2008 1:00:43 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: freeangel

I saw McCain portrayed on Spanish tv news. He was saying how great relations were between the US and Mexico. His example: Well, it was that Hispanic culture was everywhere in the US. Hmmm, does that mean American culture was everywhere in Mexico. McCain is a political lifetime Multi-culti, anti-English as a unifying language guy. That’s it. Why Romney and the others didn’t pound him on this, means that their NOT the Presidential candidate and McCain is. GOP, goes right for the capillary.


12 posted on 07/05/2008 1:02:38 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Friends don't let friends buy into Dem propaganda.)
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To: freeangel
I believe we must have comprehensive immigration reform. The American people want our borders secured first, McCain said at a Mexico City news conference. That will require some walls. It will require virtual fences. It will require high-technology equipment. We must secure our borders, and then we will address the issue of comprehensive immigration reform.

Did McCain tell Mexico to stop encouraging Mexican citizens to emmigrate illegally to the USA?

Then, he's not serious about controlling the flow of Mexican illegal aliens.

13 posted on 07/05/2008 1:27:38 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Coffee200am

John’s refusal to criticize Juan Fernandez’ Mexico First policy is all I need to know about this bastard.

Let’s face it, the borders have already been secured to John’s satisfaction, and the fist 100 days of his presidency will see comprehensive immigration reform.

Another way of putting it is, the first 100 days of McCain’s presidency will see comprehensive United States cohesion reform.

John can name that tune in under 100 days. I can name it right now.


14 posted on 07/05/2008 1:56:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: Coffee200am
The American people want our borders secured first, McCain said at a Mexico City news conference.

Hey John, instead of the same old rhetoric, how about some innovation?

Duncan Hunter promised us a wall in six months if he were elected president. An admiral and worthy idea.

How 'bout you get with Duncan, discuss, and then announce one of your first tasks as president will be to appoint Duncan to a Special Presidential Commission to build the fence in six months.

Git 'er done!

Nah, this is way over the head of an illegal-lover like you.

15 posted on 07/05/2008 1:57:08 PM PDT by upchuck (As we doggedly march towards dystopia, my poor country is losing it's mind. God help us!)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Did McCain tell Mexico to stop encouraging Mexican citizens to emmigrate illegally to the USA?

Rumor has it that Mr. McCain was actually spotted "handing out invitations and road maps" (per a USA Today/Gannett photo that appeared with a recent story) (source: [1] , [2]).

16 posted on 07/05/2008 2:18:35 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("Facts are stubborn things." –Ronald Reagan)
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To: All
FR POSTED 7/3/08: Calls to the US Attorney suspended deportations of Mexican criminals (Mexico demands the US stop deporting criminals)

As FReeper raybbr insightfully posted: The sense of entitlement extends to every Mexican citizen, politician and official. They have come to believe they are entitled to participate in our government, our security, our prosperity, our legislative process and society. This is what years of indifference to the invasion has wrought and will take years to reverse. Obama and McCain endless pandering to the illegals will only strengthen that sense of entitlement.

Stories of Mexicanos interference in American justice are horrific.......presaging the Third World they are building on US soil.

Americans see the horrendous latino takeover in our everyday lives---in stores, churches, schools---everywhere. The arrogance and contempt these lettuce pickers and burger flippers display toward Americans is palpable.

Viscious latino drug cartels are setting themselves up for mob rule on US soil. Even as we type, Mexican and Columbian drug cartels are waging war in border towns to carve out their turf.

Drug cartels envision huge profits now that Mexican trucks are hauling on US highways--- the trucks are easily loaded up with drugs and illegal aliens (drug runners) with no fear of L/E-----b/c Bush authorized this atrocity.

The longterm plan is to takeover the US government to change the foundation of our Nation from the rule of law to mob rule.

=================================

The US is overrun by Third World invaders, calculatedly organizing into a latino voting bloc. Corrupt illegals know all the tricks: infiltrating US agencies, bribing US officials, buying forged/fraudulent documents, drivers licenses, multiple stolen IDs, fraudulently registering to vote in several precincts; illegally voting absentee then voting several times in different precincts.

McCain will suckup for illegal latino votes........like a dry drunk with his mouth pressed to a beer keg.

Look for McC's October Surprise---- a signing ceremony to turnover the SW as a token of his total allegiance to Mexico.

McC might order US L/E to escort drug cartels crossing the border to vote. Columbian Drug cartels will commandeer another bunch at gunpoint, carting truckloads of drug pushers over the border to vote illregally.

These are the votes McC wants.

17 posted on 07/05/2008 2:23:53 PM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

“....GOP goes straight for the capillary”.

Funny, sad and true.


18 posted on 07/05/2008 2:33:12 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Liz

bttt


19 posted on 07/05/2008 4:16:48 PM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; onyx; MARTIAL MONK; GulfBreeze; Kuksool; freespirited; Salvation; furquhart; ...
McCain tells Mexican leaders to their faces - the border must be secured first.

The McCain List.
20 posted on 07/05/2008 5:36:23 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Norman Bates

“McCain tells Mexican leaders to their faces - the border must be secured first.”

Yeah, with a wink and a nod.


21 posted on 07/05/2008 6:00:42 PM PDT by Rottweilerson
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To: darkwing104
We need to construct a fence or a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. Then we need to get the catapault that the Mythbusters used for their cross-border excursion and start sending the illegals home.

After video of the first couple of guys missing the mattress hits the airwaves and the internet, I would almost guarantee that there will be a line of folks begging to be allowed to drive, walk, or hitchhike across the border.

22 posted on 07/05/2008 6:20:56 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: Coffee200am

I believe McAmnesty about as much as when Bush said eight years ago that he was going to work on comprehensive immigration reform.


23 posted on 07/05/2008 7:08:03 PM PDT by doc
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To: Rottweilerson

You just can’t admit he isn’t backing down from his pledge of securing the border first.


24 posted on 07/05/2008 7:09:19 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Cicero
I suppose it’s a step forward that McCain has been brought around to the point where he thinks it’s worth lying to the conservative base instead of just sticking another finger in their eye.

But a trip to Mexico and Guatemala may not have been the best place to do it.


You're right, Mexico and Guatemala weren't the best place for "lying to the conservative base". It was the best place to let our neighbors know that we are serious about stopping illegal immigration, and they need cooperate if they want to be our friends.
25 posted on 07/05/2008 7:11:08 PM PDT by kenavi ("My mudder thanks you, my fodder thanks you, and Obama thanks you!")
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To: freeangel

So you prefer Obama? (I doubt it.) What is your alternative.


26 posted on 07/05/2008 7:53:16 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (Vote for John McCain along with Tom DeLay, John Cornyn and the majority of conservatives.)
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To: TomGuy
"Too bad McCain and the American people are not on the same page. If they were McCain would be emphasizing border security over comprehensive immigration reform (aka, amnesty for illegals)."

Did you read the article? He did exactly what you suggested.

27 posted on 07/06/2008 2:27:44 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: GulfBreeze

I never said I prefer obama, Mr. elect mccain pinger. I like many, will be holding my nose and my breath at the ballot box and hope he doesn’t kill the US like obama would most certainly do.


28 posted on 07/06/2008 4:02:14 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: lexusppd
He did exactly what you suggested.

No. He is only giving lip service.

McCain has NOT pushed for one extra foot of fence, etc.

McCain's 'secure the border' is a line he started using in the debates because he saw how unpopular [as in audience boos] his CIR was and he couldn't defend it. As Senator, McCain has done little since CIR to add to border security.

He is giving lip service and many of us aren't buying it. In McCain's case, his actions [or lack thereof] speak louder than his words.

After all, he reportedly promised Hispanics in private meetings a couple of weeks ago that he would push CIR.

[As I have indicated in other posts -- McCain has a credibility problem. I don't trust him nor his 'promises' on the campaign trail. It was nearly 2 years ago when he made his infamous rant -- 'I'll build the damn fence' -- and yet, he still has done little to make that happen.]
29 posted on 07/06/2008 5:12:37 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

He “reportedly” assured Hispanic in a private meeting” This you believe?

And his saying he now wants the borders secure before and immigration reform, you do not believe?

Other then you simply dislike McCain, what evidence have you that one is a lie and the other the truth?


30 posted on 07/06/2008 5:24:36 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: lexusppd
And his saying he now wants the borders secure before and immigration reform, you do not believe?

McCain: 'I'll build the damn fence.'

[It still hasn't been built.]

The problem is the political rhetoric -- 'secure the border'. That means zilch. It can be defined and parsed and nuanced any way a politician wants. In the debates, McCain said that would mean that the border state governors would be responsible for 'signifying that the border is secure'. It is a bunch of gobbledygook. You may buy it; I don't.
31 posted on 07/06/2008 5:50:54 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Bottom line is the fence IS being built and the border IS being secured. Illegals are leaving the country because there is a crackdown on employers and the actual influx of illegals has been halved or more by all accounts.


32 posted on 07/06/2008 6:58:34 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: Coffee200am

For McCain, the lesson learned is secure the borders first and then grant amnesty to the 12 to 20 million illegals already here who will in turn sponsor another 66 million to 100 million more LEGAL IMMIGRANTS thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification. If that happens, this country is finished. Amnesty is forever.


33 posted on 07/06/2008 7:02:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: lexusppd
the border IS being secured

Only in a parallel universe.

the actual influx of illegals has been halved or more by all accounts

Halved? Then that means they are still coming in, and that means the borders are NOT secured yet.

tsk tsk tsk. You have contradicted your own argument in the same paragraph. [Reminiscent of Hillary and the driver's license contradiction in one of the early Dem debates.]
34 posted on 07/06/2008 7:13:03 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: lexusppd
Bottom line is the fence IS being built and the border IS being secured.

Congress is putting a halt to it. Chairman Price is holding it up.

Border Fence Construction Not Moving Fast Enough for Rep. Hunter

Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee ranking member Harold Rogers, R-Ky., said he is concerned that the bill places too many restrictions on the department when it comes to spending money to build fencing along the southwest border.

PRICE DELIVERS MAJOR SPEECH ON HOMELAND SECURITY: "Our Subcommittee has also taken on the challenge of border security – through what will be a one third increase in the number of Border Patrol officers from the beginning of FY 2008 to the end of FY 2009; by compelling attention to the vast Northern border (which is more significant as a potential entry point for terrorists than the Southern border); and by requiring some accountability as DHS spends hundreds of millions of dollars to build fencing along the Southwest border. We are insisting that cost-benefit estimates be provided and that alternative means of border protection be seriously compared before funds are spent on expensive fence construction.

I haven't heard any McCain condemnation of Price.

Illegals are leaving the country because there is a crackdown on employers and the actual influx of illegals has been halved or more by all accounts.

We are still apprehending about a million people a year at the southern border trying to enter illegally. Another 500,000 to 1 million get through. Attrition thru enforcement works, but again, McCain has been MIA on that strategy. He also voted against making English the official language of this country.

John McCain, Multiculturalist Immigration is just one problem

35 posted on 07/06/2008 7:16:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TomGuy

Do you seriously expect to go from whatever the number of illegals were coming in a year ago to zero immediately?

There is progress and it is substantial

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=24&num=19915


36 posted on 07/06/2008 7:22:14 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: lexusppd

Now, you are hedging, and parsing.

You stated that the border is secure. You stated the number of illegals entering has been halved.

I contend that having thousands of illegals still flooding across the border does NOT signify a ‘secure border’.

And that is the problem with McCain’s position: what exactly is the definition of a ‘secure border’ and what are the provisions to make it that way? Those are the provisions, means, methods that McCain has never identified. So, by your reasoning, cutting the flood of illegals in half implies that the border is now secure. McCain would love that reasoning. He might make you head of Homeland Security for that.


37 posted on 07/06/2008 7:29:07 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


38 posted on 07/06/2008 7:46:37 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: TomGuy

Well no, I did NOT state the border was secure. What I said was “the border IS BEING secured”

That is a difference with a distinction, wouldn’t you say?


39 posted on 07/06/2008 8:50:17 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: kenavi

You think? After promoting the McCain-Kennedy bill in the teeth of the base, and refusing to back down, and still keeping a top member of La Raza on his campaign staff while firing staffers because the Democrats complain about them, he has a lot of explaining to do.

I read his statement and what it seems to say is, “I will build the fence and then give them all amnesty.”

Sorry, but he has a long history on immigration, all of it is bad, and getting even worse in the past year or two.


40 posted on 07/06/2008 9:00:52 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Coffee200am
The American people want our borders secured first, McCain said at a Mexico City news conference. That will require some walls. It will require virtual fences. It will require high-technology equipment. We must secure our borders, and then we will address the issue of

comprehensive immigration reform.


Ah yes, the previously exposed, discredited and rejected blanket amnesty...

Mcloon is like Mr. Ed when it comes to his understanding and accepting the will of the American people.

Someone has slathered peanut butter in his mouth and he's working his jaw but others are putting the words there to fool us into thinking he is actually the one saying them.

Once elected Mcloon will push amnesty like a deranged homeless man pushes a stolen grocery cart, with no more idea of where he's headed or what it's going to do, but loaded with all of his personal belongings and an unshakable determination to get away from the conservatives who are trying to take his collection of pretties way.

And he's the standard bearer for the gop for the next 4 years. Wow, just wow...
41 posted on 07/06/2008 9:17:15 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: Coffee200am

I would not even waste my time trusting MCCain on this issue.

I wouldn’t even spend one minute thinking he will do anything but grant amnesty.

People who think otherwise are sadly, very naive.


42 posted on 07/06/2008 9:21:08 AM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: lexusppd

McCain has been having many private meetings kissing the hispanic patooty.

Have you not been paying attention?

You McCainiacs are pathetic.


43 posted on 07/06/2008 9:23:35 AM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: indylindy
"You McCainiacs are pathetic."

You have the typical "my way or the highway" mind set and like other McCain haters cannot see past the end of your idelogical nose to the looming disaster of a Hussein presidency vs that of a McCain one.

44 posted on 07/06/2008 9:44:58 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: Coffee200am

Is he pretending not to GET IT, or is he a complete moron?


45 posted on 07/06/2008 9:46:01 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER.)
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To: Norman Bates

“McCain tells Mexican leaders to their faces - the border must be secured first.”

and then what?


46 posted on 07/06/2008 9:49:03 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER.)
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To: msnpatriot
You just hit on the secret to getting Congress to do anything worthwhile at all. They must be forced to do so with job loss in the mix.
47 posted on 07/06/2008 9:50:26 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: TomGuy
Exactly Tom when you see the machine gun pulpits being mounted on the top of the concrete wall separating the two countries you can believe help is on the way. oh yeah, by the way don't hold your breath. Pubbies still think that welfare illegals will vote for them.
48 posted on 07/06/2008 9:53:32 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: lexusppd
McCain=Amnesty=Destruction of this country. If an amnesty passes, anything else that follows is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Poll: Voters Unaware of Candidates’ Immigration Positions; McCain Supporters Farthest Off the Mark

49 posted on 07/06/2008 9:53:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: lexusppd

Yay,okay.


50 posted on 07/06/2008 9:59:19 AM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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