[Free Republic Mention] The horror: Vietnam defines another election (Obama supporter tantrum)

Asia Times ^ | 4 July 2008 | By Julian Delasantellis

[bd476]

...Los Angeles Times writer Peter Nicholas claimed that Clark "didn't pay proper homage to McCain's greatest sacrifice: five-and-a-half years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam".

In the New York Times, Jeff Zeleny uncritically repeated comments by McCain supporters that the comments by Clark "impugned McCain's patriotism"...

... the response of the American print media was a veritable debutante cotillion compared with the dark alley mugging Clark would face on America's cable television news networks. Led by Fox News, but with CNN and MSNBC nipping enthusiastically at its baying heels, Clark was said to have been guilty of "dissing" McCain, his truthful comments comparable to the lies of the "swift boat" attacks leveled against Democratic nominee John Kerry in 2004.

A Fox News anchor claimed that Clark was "ridiculing" McCain's record; Fox News contributor Oliver North called the remarks "petty and small, like Clark himself". On MSNBC, reporter Andrea Mitchell ... "going after the very thing that made John McCain a hero, an iconic hero to everyone"...

...On right-wing talk radio, Clark has been christened with a new given name ... Weasel Clark. On the Free Republic website, poster "boblonsberry" opined that "Wesley Clark isn't worthy to wipe up the blood in John McCain's cell. And yet this ambitious little Obama lackey has so whored himself to a shot at the vice presidency that he's willing to mock another warrior's service. And not just any warrior. But a genuine, bona fide American hero. You may not want to vote for John McCain, but you can't disrespect him. At least not his military service. That's beyond the pale. That's not what honorable or decent people do. You don't mock the shedding of a man's blood. You don't ridicule his torture at the hands of a savage enemy..."

[bd476]

Obama supporter and Washington State resident Julian Delasantellis is so completely distraught about the negative press General Clark has been receiving that it appears only foreign press (George Soros) would be willing to publish his rant.

[Jeff Head]

IN A TIME OF WAR JOHN MCCAIN SERVED AND SUFFERED FOR HIS COUNTRY.



WHILE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SERVED HIMSELF...AND STILL DOES.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - CHANGE YOU CAN COUNT ON, BUT DON'T WANT

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

NOBAMA '08 SIGHTED IN EMMETT, ID, JULY 2ND, 2008

[ETL]

Vietnam defines another election...

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."

Source for most of the Jane Fonda material:
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

________________________________________________________________

From RushLimbaugh.com:
Hanoi Jane Endorses Obama
April 3, 2008

REPORTER 1: Jane, who are you voting for?

REPORTER 2: Who gets your vote?

FONDA: Obama.

REPORTER 2: Oh, my God. Heaven help us all.

RUSH: The reporter for TMZ said, "Oh, God. Heaven help us all." Obviously the reporter is an Obama supporter.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040308/content/01125111.guest.html

[ETL]

From Barack Obama's official website:

“I wanted to make an art piece of Barack Obama because I thought an iconic portrait of him could symbolize and amplify the importance of his mission. I believe Obama will guide this country to a future where everyone can thrive and I should support him vigorously for the sake of my two young daughters. I have made art opposing the Iraq war for several years, and making art of Obama, who opposed the war from the start, is like making art for peace. I know I have an audience of young art fans and I’m delighted if I can encourage them to see the merits of Barack Obama.”

-Shepard Fairey
http://store.barackobama.com/product_p/po26951.htm

__________________________________________________________________

See, it's all about "peace, love, togetherness" and "change". Here are some of Fairey's other masterpieces. Most of his works are along these same lines...

Source:
http://jonathanlevinegallery.com/?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=F65EBB86-3048-28EB-92D55AA4FC996E31&GalleryID=82C33C59-3048-28EB-92DB386C8C733405

[sinanju]

My own theory is that this was not the usual campaign criticism. This is the bull-baiting I’ve been anticipating. Weasel Clark was assigned to goad McCain into an on-camera meltdown. McCain’s feewings were hurt (he still can’t believe his beloved MSM is turning on him) but he didn’t take the bait.

Gird your loins John, the worst is yet to come.

[peggybac]

[ETL]

"Vietnam defines another election"

BTW, it's not "Vietnam defines another election". It's "pro-communism defines another election".

"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==

From WorldNetDaily:
Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group's bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.
Article: Obama worked with terrorist
Senator helped fund organization that rejects 'racist' Israel's existence:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57231

"In July 1969, [Bernardine] Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton, all representing 'Weatherman', as Dohrn's faction was now called, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow. Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

July 27, 1970: The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYTimes, 7/27/70] :
Chronology of Weather Underground attacks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

Weather Underground Organization linked to North Vietnamese and Cuban governments, KGB
[420 pages in all on pdf]

Source: FBI, via Freedom of Information Act

In 1976, the FBI's Chicago Field Office prepared a summary which described the activities of the Weather Underground Organization, also known as Weathermen. This organization described itself as a revolutionary organization of communist men and women. The FBI's analysis of its motivations, beliefs, and international travels are outlined in this summary.

[some excerpts from the 1976 report linking the organization to foreign governments...]

From the moment in October, 1967, when Radio Hanoi announced the formation of the South Vietnamese Peoples Committee for Solidarity with American People (by the National Liberation Front (NLF), the political arm of the Viet Cong) with the objective of establishing relations with "progressive organizations and individuals in the United States," a political front was enjoined in behalf of the national interests of the Democratic Republic of North Vietnam (DRV) (and the NLF), the purpose of which was to intensify the anti-war sentiment in the United States. From the initial meeting between the Vietnamese and leading anti-war activists held in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia, in November, 1967, to the July, 1969, meeting with leading Weatherpeople held in Havana, Cuba, the influence of Vietnamese representatives on the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) leadership became sharply pronounced. At the same time, the example of the Cuban revolution became the guide for the emerging American student revolutionary. With an increasing number of trips to Havana where the youthful revolutionary could learn at first hand how to create revolution, the influence of Cuba on the developing WUO [Weather Underground Organization] was enormous.

The WUO obtained their revolutionary methodology from the Cubans and Vietnamese and, importantly, put into practice what they had learned from them. The Weathermen, of course, did not just happen to come about during the June, 1969, SDS National Convention. They fully admit their radical heritage began during experiences gained in SDS and as shown herein their international contacts with representatives of the DRV and NLF which began in 1967 increased their anti-imperialist consciousness so that by 1969 they had solidified their revolutionary commitment to include the maximum optimum of armed struggle. So, when Huynh Van Ba, representative of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), instructed the WUO to "look for the person who fights hardest against the cops...Don't look for the one who says the best thing. Look for the one who fights," the campus base was forgotten and the WUO began to recruit the greasers and assorted oddments who had displayed their hatred of authority in direct combat with police.
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/weather.htm

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
March 6, 1970: "three members of the Weather Underground accidentally killed themselves in a Manhattan townhouse while attempting to build a powerful bomb they had intended to plant at a social dance in Fort Dix, New Jersey -- an event that was to be attended by U.S. Army soldiers. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plot been successfully executed."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

"The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!

"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/

The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference
[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]
April 19th-20th, 2002
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

[going hot]

You may not want to vote for John McCain, but you can't disrespect him. At least not his military service. That's beyond the pale. That's not what honorable or decent people do. You don't mock the shedding of a man's blood. You don't ridicule his torture at the hands of a savage enemy..."

Yet there are members on this site, long time members, who do just that, unashamed.

[dighton]

Julian Delasantellis

More syllables than needed for windy bugger.

[musicman]

In the pic below, it looks very much like J f'n K seated almost directly above Jane's head.

[MuttTheHoople]

He’s not known as “Weasel Clark”...I know him as “Ashley Wilkes”. Get it straight, MSM.

[llandres]

Obama supporter and Washington State resident Julian Delasantellis is so completely distraught about the negative press General Clark has been receiving that it appears only foreign press (George Soros) would be willing to publish his rant.”

I second that emotion - a rant it is, and a ludicrous one. It’s a real and true fact that there are people who hate this country, people within it.

[REDWOOD99]

Love that poster! Needed a proof-reader. Sorry, pet peeve.

[ETL]

In the pic it looks very much like J f'n K seated almost directly above Jane's head.

It IS Kerry in that photo with Fonda.

"Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge, Pa. (Leif Skoogfors/Corbis)"
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

John Kerry, from his book, The New Soldier...

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small [American] flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.'..."

"The John Kerry quote comes in the epilogue to "The New Soldier," the book put out by Vietnam Veterans Against the War [VVAW]. The book's cover features a group of not-particularly sober-looking anti-war protesters (vets, presumably) flying the American flag upside down [while mocking the historic flag raising event at Iwo Jima]":
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1203164/posts

Note John Kerry's name at top right of The New Soldier

John Kerry: "...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

"Under questioning from the Committee, Kerry referred to the democratically elected government of South Vietnam -- our allies -- as a "dictatorial regime, the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime," while respectfully calling the North Vietnamese communist regime we were fighting by its oxymoronic official name, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the murderous Viet Cong's political arm by their preferred "Provisional Revolutionary Government.":
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/lc20040428.shtml

From Frontpagemag.com:
During the question and answer period following his April 22, 1971 televised testimony before the Armed Services Committee of the United States Senate, Kerry said:

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

Even today, knowing what we know about the Vietnamese communists and about John Kerry, it is difficult to grasp the enormity of what he was confessing to. As an American citizen and a member of the United States Navy—while his former comrades and countless others were fighting and dying in Vietnam at the hands of Viet Cong guerillas and North Vietnamese regulars—Kerry consorted with the Viet Cong representative and discussed (“talked with,” he euphemized) her “plan.” That obscene plan included a trade: the return of our POWs for a withdrawal of American forces.

As John O’Neill expressed in his important bestselling book Unfit For Command, “. . . America could have its POWs back only if we agreed that we lost, then surrendered, and then set a date to leave.”

Kerry’s wartime trip to Paris was confirmed about six months ago by a campaign spokesman, who tossed it off as a mere “fact-finding” excursion.

Yet Kerry was apparently so impressed with the “facts” he found in company with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese that a few months after his return from Paris he had the effrontery to urge the President of the United States to accept his communist hosts’ plan for 'peace' in Vietnam."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15127

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small (American) flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.' "

So John Kerry would have a difficult time marching with those waving small American flags yet had NO problems marching with those waving HUGE VIETCONG FLAGS?

"Pictured above: VVAW-supported demonstration during the Washington Spring Offensive, April - May 1971. Notice the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong flags."

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

John Kerry and the VVAW--Hanoi's American Puppets?
"Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading national spokesman."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets

Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) Complete FBI files:
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=VVAWFBI

[bd476]

Out of all the threads leveling some criticism at General Clark, it's interesting that the writer and Obama supporter Julian Delasantellis singled out only one thread with the article from the Bob Lonsberry website.

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• Wesley Clark claims "this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation"
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• The Clintons' Candidate - Bill and Hillary line up behind Wesley Clark ~ John Fund
  09/17/2003 11:55:30 PM PDT · by Elle Bee · 19 replies · 192+ views

  Opinion Journal ^ | September 18, 2003 | John Fund

[eclecticEel]

Holy crap man, it doesn’t look like Kerry, it’s him.

[peggybac]

LOL, I know - it was emailed to me and I don’t know how to correct it.

[ETL]

Out of all the threads leveling some criticism at General Clark, it's interesting that the writer and Obama supporter Julian Delasantellis singled out only one thread with the article from the Bob Lonsberry website...

Michael Moore endorses Wesley Clark and Obama

From Michael Moore's website, September 12th, 2003:

Michael Moore to Wesley Clark: Run!
A Citizen's Appeal to a General in a Time of War (at Home)

Dear General Wesley Clark,

I've been meaning to write to you for some time. Two days after the Oscars, when I felt very alone and somewhat frightened by the level of hatred toward me for daring to suggest that we were being led into war for "fictitious reasons," one person stuck his neck out and came to my defense on national television.

And that person was you.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2003-09-12

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From Moore's website, January 14th, 2004:

I'll Be Voting For Wesley Clark / Good-Bye Mr. Bush

Many of you have written to me in the past months asking, 'Who are you going to vote for this year?'

I have decided to cast my vote in the primary for Wesley Clark. That's right, a peacenik is voting for a general. What a country!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-01-14

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Michael (the "peacenik") Moore, also from his website...

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?"
[actual quote from Michael Moore (2004). It still appears on his website]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-04-14

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This one has been up for years, although I doubt if it's actually Michael Moore saying it...

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA):
"We are a party of unity in action. We are an integral part of every struggle and movement for change to eliminate poverty and joblessness, against racism and for full equality. We are participants, initiators and leaders of every movement to make life better now and much better in a socialist future." Yeah, so they supported an oppressive dictator, like the Repubs and Democrats haven't? The CP is still around, has apologized for that whole Stalin thing, and has a quickly growing youth section.
[see: MichaelMoore.com-->Links-->PoliticalAction (bottom of the page--CPUSA promo)]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/links/index.php?linkType=Political%20Action

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From the Revolutionary Communist Party website
A Viewer's Guide to Fahrenheit 911

Revolutionary Worker #1246, July 18, 2004, posted at http://rwor.org

"People have been lied to. And many can see it. Invasion, occupation, police spying, round-ups, even torture camps--plus far-reaching changes in law, treaty and doctrine --they have all come wrapped in deceit. The President lies. His whole clique lies."

http://rwor.org/a/1246/fahrenheit_911_guide.htm

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Monday, April 21st, 2008
My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore

Friends,

I don't get to vote for President this primary season. I live in Michigan. The party leaders (both here and in D.C.) couldn't get their act together, and thus our votes will not be counted.

So, if you live in Pennsylvania, can you do me a favor? Will you please cast my vote -- and yours -- on Tuesday for Senator Barack Obama?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php

[bd476]

dighton wrote: " Julian Delasantellis

More syllables than needed for windy bugger."

ROFLOL! Perfect!

[bd476]

ROFLOL!

[bd476]

Here is the thread with the Bob Lonsberry article which Obama supporter Julian Delasantellis quotes in his rant: MCCAIN CRITICISMS GO TOO FAR

[Migraine]

LMAO — thankew, thankew, thankew for the belly laugh!

[bd476]

[LayoutGuru2]

Your You Are

[mbennett203]

Nice research, especially the “if you had been vietnamese” propaganda flyer. If I’m not mistaken the left still uses that same tactic today, ie “if you had been palestinian here, you’d be stopped and checked for bombs by teh evil Jooooos.” So creative, those socialists... :P

[arderkrag]

[musicman]

I think it’s him also, but in posting it before on FR, some disagreed.

[musicman]

You are welcome.

[Mojave]

Q. Why will Jane Fonda vote for Barack Obama?

A. Because Ho Chi Minh won’t be on the ballot.

http://barackobamajokes.googlepages.com

[wastedyears]

Amplify?

Gimme $5000 and I can do that.

[ETL]

Gimme $5000 and I can do that.

You can draw up communist-inspired artwork?

[wastedyears]

Make them deaf

[airborne]

Looks like the FreeRepublic mention could be a lie -

Before you may post this message, the following must be corrected:

Could not find anybody named 'boblonsberry'

[ETL]

I think it’s him [John Kerry] also, but in posting it before on FR, some disagreed.

I've already provided you the evidence that it IS him in the Leif Skoogfors/Corbis (Jane Fonda has long since admitted it). However, there was another photo which "apparently" showed him on stage with Fonda (at the podium). That one was a fraud. Perhaps these other FReepers you mentioned had confused the two? The left typically manufactors these kind of hoaxes *themselves* as a means of discrediting every other damaging fact being thrown at one of their own (you're seeing right now how it works).

FACTUAL Photo: "Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge, Pa. (Leif Skoogfors/Corbis)"
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

Note: I've been told we are not permitted to post the Corbis photo on our site directly.

Then there is this other FACTUAL photo below showing Kerry on stage with Ramsey Clark, Al Hubbard (former Black Panther who appointed John Kerry head of Vietnam Veterans Against the War), and, supposedly, Jane Fonda (can't see her face, but no one I'm aware of has every claimed it wasn't her). But even if it isn't her (which is unlikely--it almost certainly IS), these other two are bad enough. Ramsey Clark, former Attorney General under democrat prez LBJ, Ramsey Clark, is closely allied with the (Stalinist) Workers World Party. As head of the International Action Center, R. Clark played a major role in the formation of the "anti-war" (actually pro-communist) org, A.N.S.W.E.R. (see the end of this post for more on that)

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former **Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

**From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROES

excerpt...

"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969):
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

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Re: Ramsey Clark, The International Action Center, A.N.S.W.E.R., Troops Out Now and Workers World Party

For anyone who doesn't know it, the so-called "anti-war" group International A.N.S.W.E.R. was formed by leaders of the Workers World Party (and mere days after the 911 attacks). WWP is a collection of pro-North Korea Stalinists based in New York City. When A.N.S.W.E.R. was eventually outed as a communist front, WWP started up a new "peace" group called Troops Out Now. Democrat chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Charlie Rangel, actually gives speeches at their rallies and the New York City media looks the other way -also is never confronted by Hannity or O'Reilly about it.

Here below is a photo from the WWP's own website of W&Ms chairman Rangel at the podium of a March 19, 2005 WWP/TON "anti-war" rally in NYC. The date marked the 2nd anniversary of the start of the Iraq war. Other prominent lefties who spoke at the rally were the former attorney general under democrat president LBJ, Ramsey Clark , and Lynne Stewart , convicted of aiding islamic terrorists. Clark heads the International Action Center and had a major role in the formation of A.N.S.W.E.R. All three organizations, The International Action Center, Troops Out Now and Workers World Party have headquarters at the same exact location in New York City.

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Workers World
55 W. 17 St., NY, NY 10011
Email: ww@workers.org
Subscribe wwnews-subscribe@workersworld.net
Support independent news
http://www.workers.org/orders/donate.php

International Action Center
55 W 17th St #5C
New York, NY 10011
212-633-6646
iacenter@action-mail.org
ndomtickets@safewebmail.com
www.iacenter.org
[http://www.iacenter.org/polprisoners/dom-2007.htm]

Troops Out Now Coalition
55 W. 17th St. #5C
NY NY 10011
www.TroopsOutNow.org
212.633-6646

National Office and NYC chapter
F.I.S.T: Fight Imperialism Stand Together
Marxist youth organization
55 W. 17 St.
New York, NY 10011
212-627-2994
Fax 212-675-7869
E-mail: FIST@workers.org
Web: www.fistyouth.wordpress.com

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From the website of the Workers World Party, workers.org:

"On July 9 (1994), Workers World Party Chairperson Sam Marcy sent the following statement to Comrade Kim Jong Il, the Central Committee of the Workers Party of Korea and the State Funeral Committee of President Kim Il Sung.":

"Dear Comrade Kim Jong Il ...

The National Committee of Workers World Party extends our deepest condolences on the passing of the great leader of the Korean people, Comrade President Kim Il Sung.

Comrade Kim Il Sung devoted his whole life to the Korean people's struggle for national self-determination and the international working-class struggle for socialist emancipation. With his leadership, the Korean people defeated the Japanese colonial occupation and soon after brought about the first defeat of the U.S. imperialist military machine.

For over 40 years since the armistice, the U.S. military has continued to occupy the south of Korea with troops and nuclear weapons. This occupation has been the chief obstacle to peaceful reunification of Korea and poses the chief danger of a new war on the peninsula." ...

"Workers World Party values our close, comradely relations with the Workers Party of Korea very highly. We are proud to have known Kim Il Sung as a great leader and a comrade in the international communist movement. ...

With comradely solidarity, Sam Marcy Chairperson, Workers World Party":
http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam94/1994html/s940721.htm

Here is a direct link to the set of photos showing Ramsey Clark, Lynne Stewart and current democrat chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Charlie Rangel, all at the Workers World Party/Troops Out Now event on March 19, 2005. Again, the 2nd anniversary of the start of the Iraq war:
http://www.workers.org/march19/index2.html

[foxfield]

Could not find anybody named 'boblonsberry'

Try http://www.boblonsberry.com/.

[foxfield]

And try http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/boblonsberry/index?tab=articles.

[airborne]

So ‘boblonsberry’ is not his Freeper name.

Is he a Freeper, or does his writing simply appear on FreeRepublic?

[ALOHA RONNIE]

.

CLARITY =

.

MEL’s -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~aloharonnie/

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~anita1/

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[airborne]

On the Free Republic website, poster "boblonsberry" opined that "Wesley Clark isn't worthy to wipe up the blood in John McCain's cell.

It clearly implies that 'boblonsberry' is the "poster" who wrote those words.

Shoddy journalism at best. A flat out liar perhaps. But inaccurate for certain.

[Mr. Silverback]

McCain’s feewings were hurt (he still can’t believe his beloved MSM is turning on him) but he didn’t take the bait.

Two problems:

1. If you watch or listen to the Bob Schiefer interview, he wasn't helping Clark try to smear McCain, he was astonished that Clark would make the experience argument at all, much less in such a bizarre way. Moreover, much of the press seemed to treat it the same way, putting out a sort of a "what was he thinking" vibe and running to Obama to give him an opportunity to throw Clark under the bus.

2. I was surprised to see McCain seem hurt by his, but then I realized why. The time in the Hilton was the only time this guy has ever been a victim of anything, and it was hellish. To hear, not from some no-nothing crazy but from a man who won the Silver Star while going through a brief hell of his own, that it means nothing and doesn't make you any more suited to the job of commander-in-chief than a dipstick who was sucking on Fudgsicles when you were being tortured has got to feel like a real betrayal. It's like being a woman who was gang raped and having another rape victim tell the press that you can't possibly give a crap about the victims of violent crimes.

[Mr. Silverback]

Yet there are members on this site, long time members, who do just that, unashamed.

And they are scum.

[Mr. Silverback]

I downloaded and read “The New Soldier” and the idea that John Kerry would publish such a thing and ever expect to lead America’s troops was as ludicrous as the Three Stooges expecting to win the Nobel Prize.

[going hot]

And they are scum.

Goes without saying. I cannot believe some of the crap I read hear, posted by persons who drape themselves in a cloak of conservatism, yet find insufficinet material to attack a candidate on his positions, rather belittle his service as not being up to par with thier own.

Those kinds of statements stand on their own merit regard the posters' intellect.

[Mr. Silverback]

Agree 100%.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

.

No eternal agruments can be sustained over the Vietnam War.

For the proof is in the pudding, the end result.

.

After Sen. TED KENNEDY...

(who personally witnessed in person what the Fight for Freedom in Vietnam was really all about from the very begining in 1965 - See 5th Photo down http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm )

...led a Democrat Congress into cutting off all US funding for the then Free South Vietnamese to fight for their own Freedom with...

came a most horrid for so many poor S.E. Asian souls:

.

..”JOURNEY from the FALL”..

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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NEVER ever AGAIN..!!!!

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[Earthdweller]

Kerry was first and foremost a politician, McCain wasn't.

Kerry is without a Country save his elitist self, McCain isn't.

Kerry is what is wrong with Washington, McCain isn't.

Kerry was a traitor to the troops, McCain wasn't.

Kerry expects that the military will shun him because he first rejected them, McCain doesn't.

Kerry deserves a thousand cuts of scorn, McCain doesn't.

Kerry gives patriotism a bad name, McCain doesn't.

[Syncro]

They got it wrong, facts don't impress them.

It was a post by poster shortstop and it is Here

It's an article from Bob Lonsberry's website

[airborne]

They got it wrong,...

Figures. And they try to take a shot at FreeRepublic while they're at it.

[Tammy8]

If the dims didn’t want this election to be about Vietnam, then they shouldn’t have brought it up. They opened the Pandora’s box and if they are not careful they will get the wrong people riled up.

The other guy that was commenting on McCain’s service- that somehow because McCain was a POW during the turbulent 60s he didn’t understand what went on here- he is a real a$$wipe too. If the dims want to follow this road they will find the Vietnam Veterans have a long memory and won’t accept their service being trashed- they could ask Hanoi Jane or Traitor Kerry about the long memories of Vietnam Veterans and save themselves a lot of grief.

Up to this point, Vietnam Veterans that I know have felt they didn’t really have a dog in this hunt- the ones that support McCain are lukewarm about it. If the dims keep trying to make McCain look bad in a way that is somehow related to the Vietnam War- then all that could change.

For the life of me I don’t understand what Obama hopes to gain by attacking McCain’s military record. McCain is not making it an issue. Obama has yet to prove he even signed up for Selective Service so I don’t see how this is a “win” issue for them. Not only do I not see a gain, but I see a loss if they rile up Veterans enough to get them organized against him. Obama needs to get a clue- Vietnam Veterans didn’t defeat Kerry because they were in love with Bush- they were just doing all they could to keep Kerry from winning, and Bush was the happy recipient of the fallout of that effort. If Obama has any sense at all, he will call off his dogs on this issue.

[Tammy8]

Yeah it was ludicrous, my first reaction when he announced was to laugh at the idea of him running for President after he had already showed his a$$ years ago. The Vietnam Veterans didn’t see it as funny at all- they took it serious and stood firmly in his path. Thank Goodness!!