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Top federal judges clear path for more logging (Amazing ruling for 9th Circuit)
The Oregonian ^ | July 3, 2008 | Michael Milstein

Posted on 07/03/2008 7:27:22 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: SierraWasp; tubebender; forester
Red Emerson has participated in this massive scam from the beginning. Bill Holmes was warning about it from the day the Board opened session. I don't know when SPI hasn't had at least one representative on the Board of Forestry that passed the rules that killed the likes of Cecil Wetzel and I promise you that Therin O'Dell is nobody's fool.

The system worked exactly as it was intended.

The idea that "it's too late" implies that this represents a change of some sort. It isn't. It won't be long before the likes of Red Emerson get to cash in bigger than ever. Nothing has changed, especially as regards the Ninth Circ-It.

Isn't fascism fun?

81 posted on 07/05/2008 7:20:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; tubebender; forester; marsh2
"Isn't fascism fun?"

The idea that the militant EnvironMental movement is owned and controlled by bogeymen alone and not shared by an army of activists and activist attorneys with Commonism on their pithy minds, is still a stretch for me.

However, I must admit that although I'm not a strong believer in water-tight conspiracy theories, I do recognize massive orchestration when I see it!!!

I just don't like the idea of letting all the activists and the activist attorneys off the hook by blaming behind the scenes mysterious bogeymen that even control the courts.

82 posted on 07/05/2008 8:42:54 AM PDT by SierraWasp (My tagline has been aborted without mercy! They said it had no redeeming social value!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
The idea that the militant EnvironMental movement is owned and controlled by bogeymen alone and not shared by an army of activists and activist attorneys with Commonism on their pithy minds, is still a stretch for me.

I don't think I ever said that it was "owned" any more than the Rockefellers "own" Exxon/Mobil (now there's a hint), but they certainly do control it for the most part.

Just because useful idiots have "free will" doesn't mean they aren't willfully duped at gunpoint by a police state that controls what they think and see from they day they enter COMPULSORY public education.

I just don't like the idea of letting all the activists and the activist attorneys off the hook by blaming behind the scenes mysterious bogeymen that even control the courts.

It's not in the least bit mysterious. The judges are brainwashed stooges too.

83 posted on 07/05/2008 8:50:41 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp
Consolidation has been going on here in America since 1492 . ATT was once declared a monopoly and split up into smaller Bells and in a very short period of time has come full circle to near the same monopolist it was before the ruling. There were over a hundred Auto manufactures and now what's left is slipping away...
84 posted on 07/05/2008 9:43:14 AM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: SierraWasp

We still have two mills left, but they are both plywood veneer mills that take logs under 28 inches. (They unroll them like a paper towel.) Neither is SP. There is no local mill for big trees. They have to be taken all the way up to Roseburg Oregon and, now that the Railroad is closing its line down because it can’t make enough profit, that is questionable. So when the enviros scream about taking big trees from old growth forests, it ain’t happening here.

There is a huge divide for the environmental requirements and costs placed on California timber operators and Oregon ones. It is MUCH easier to harvest and mill in Oregon.

I was out at the dimensional mill in eastern Shasta County (Fall River Mills?)in early spring. They used to be able to harvest from a radius 40-50 miles out. Now that radius is shrinking because of fuel costs. I have even heard that some operations are shipping in Canadian dimensional wood and chipping it for the biomass market. That’s how glutted the market was because of the lack of housing starts.


85 posted on 07/05/2008 10:58:14 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2

Do you know if the mill in Medford is still operating?


86 posted on 07/05/2008 11:04:11 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: djwright
Heck if they actually start cutting trees again there won't be anyplace to mill them.

Which was the enviro-commie's intent to begin with. TO DESTROY THE LUMBER/WOOD PROUDCTS INDUSTRY, any lie, any trick to destroy the industry in the hopes that it could never be repaired.

Now let's see if there are any consequences for the watermelon enviro-commies.

87 posted on 07/05/2008 6:12:13 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: brityank
If all else fails, maybe they can resurrect the lynx.

I suppose they still have that mounted museum specimen to get Lynx hair to plant.

88 posted on 07/05/2008 6:16:50 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: jazusamo
The 11-judge panel sided with Smith, making clear in their decision issued Thursday that they wanted to rein in their own court. They said environmental groups want judges to act as a panel of scientists that analyzes studies and requires the Forest Service "to explain every possible scientific uncertainty."

That's "not a proper role for a federal appellate court," they wrote.

Perhaps Judge Jones, he of Dover, Pa fame and the SCOTUS, who in their infinite scientific wisdom declared CO2 a pollutant, should take notice.

89 posted on 07/05/2008 6:22:14 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Obama (Marxist), Manchuria)
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To: jwalsh07
"...and the SCOTUS, who in their infinite scientific wisdom declared CO2 a pollutant, should take notice." No cotton pickin kiddin!!! The contempt of court is well founded!!!
90 posted on 07/05/2008 9:45:55 PM PDT by SierraWasp (My tagline has been aborted without mercy! They said it had no redeeming social value!!!)
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To: marsh2; Carry_Okie; B4Ranch; tubebender; Grampa Dave
"It is MUCH easier to harvest and mill in Oregon."

I have no doubt, but it is a little surprising given their Oregone Ducks athletic teams are known as the "GREEN GANG!" (which caused me, in a fit of boredom while driving on I-5 and seeing that sign, to turn that around into "GANG-GREEN!")

Even Oregone's gasoline has not been fouled by M.T.B.E. nor does it have as much wood alcohol content as our inefficient gasoline!!!

I always thought Oregone's youth were more indoctrinated to be leftist "Activists & Advocates" than CA's youth, but I guess I'm wrong...

91 posted on 07/06/2008 9:39:59 AM PDT by SierraWasp (My tagline has been aborted without mercy! They said it had no redeeming social value!!!)
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To: jazusamo

Clearcutting is rape.

Until the loggers can keep the dirt on the hill and not send giga-tons into the river, I’ll agree with the green weenies on this one.

How many rivers must die until they learn to cut every THIRD tree?

Save the salmon & steelhead!


92 posted on 07/06/2008 10:28:07 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Kerry '08! ************* McCain's Dream Ticket, only the names have been reversed)
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To: Uncle Miltie
The ruling clears a more direct path for projects designed to thin overgrown forests at high risk of wildfire and insect outbreaks, he said. Federal courts have often slowed such thinning while they examine the environmental justification.

Did you read the article?

93 posted on 07/06/2008 10:33:49 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: tubebender; jazusamo; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; marsh2

Looks like the Ninth Circus has pulled up stakes, and cleared out of dodge!

This is truly a cause for celebration.


94 posted on 07/06/2008 2:52:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: jazusamo; Carling; eyedigress

Ten years of devastating forest fires seem to have finally driven the point home that logic was unable to. This year has been as bad as 2000 for fires.


95 posted on 07/06/2008 2:56:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: DoughtyOne
"Simply amazing. What’s up?"

They're looking straight down the barrel of the USSC's second ammendment ruling?

96 posted on 07/06/2008 3:02:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: editor-surveyor

LOL< now that’s an angle I hadn’t considered.


97 posted on 07/06/2008 3:10:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: huldah1776
Is there going to be clear cutting without replacement planting of harvest wood?...Guess I just haven’t studied enough

You guess correctly. Replanting is required by law and by contract, duh! Because timber companies absolutely want to put themselves out of business by running out of a renewable rescource.

It's this kind of basic ignorance that the envirals count on to get public support for their anti-business, anti-growth, anti-life activities.

98 posted on 07/06/2008 3:15:59 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes, an extremely bad year for fires. They’re the norm in So CA though usually later in the year but look at the hundreds of fires started in No CA this last week by lightning and many are burning in timber.

Had a decent forest management plan been allowed to be applied I’m sure less of them would still be burning.


99 posted on 07/06/2008 3:23:14 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: huldah1776; Valpal1
"Is there going to be clear cutting without replacement planting of harvest wood?"

Clear cutting hasn't been done for forty years. Selective harvest has been the rule, rather than the exception. Replanting is in most cases unnecessary. All of our forests are seriously over-grown. There is no shortage of seedlings on the forest floor; most contracts involve thinning the existing stock of seedlings for a healthier forest.

100 posted on 07/06/2008 6:19:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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