Posted on 07/02/2008 7:46:15 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
A West Jordan jury has convicted 19-year-old Parley Jeffs Dutson, one of the FLDS polygamous sect's so-called "lost boys" exiles, in the rape and murder of his 15-year-old girlfriend. A jury of 10 delivered a verdict at about 9:30 p.m. Tuesday, finding that Dutson was guilty of one count of murder and one count of aggravated sexual assault, both first-degree felonies.
But they do allow raping teenagers.
“But they do allow raping teenagers.”
Wow! You saw this? The FLDS raping every teenage girl at the ranch? Amazing.
So using your logic, I can assume that you saw the “lost boy” drinking and using drugs? You are getting really desperate.
Nah, they just kick out boys at a young age to fend for themselves. Doesn't matter if you are FLDS or Episcopalean, parental misconduct like that leads to a high chance of a kid ending up on drugs and commiting crimes.
So just why the heck do you get off defending those creeps, anyway? Why are you going to this length to make your point?
LOL, I think she IS desperate. Don't we all know that drinking leads to rape and murder (at least that's what this Mormon seems to believe about all us "sinners" who drink.)
But then, don't you have to ask yourself what lead to his drinking and drugs? Perhaps it was because he was a polygamist "lost boy."
....and so we have come full circle!
I'm pretty sure you are right about that.
Any word on why this boy was exiled by flds onto the streets where drinking and illicit drugs would be such a threat?
No, some FReepers believe that after he was drilled out of the FLDS sect, with no experience of the world, he wound up on illicit drugs, since he had been told he was going straight to hell, and had nothing to live for.
You refuse to acknowledge the destructiveness of the sect. You refuse to acknowledge that boys are driven out so the old men can have the young girls. You continue to defend the thoroughly controlling, sick society of FLDS.
Sigh. I’m just waiting for old saw argument that this kind of thing happens everywhere. But the “free will” factor will be left out of the equation.
By kicking out the boys. It's estimated that the FLDS has thrown out up to 1,400 male members in the last decade.
Boys as young as 12 are excommunicated for bad behavior, like flirting with girls, watching a movie, listening to music, drinking, playing basketball, or wearing short-sleeve shirts.
What kind of parents would allow this to happen to their own children?
Thankfully, there are men like Dr. Dan Fischer who have devoted their lives to help these unwanted boys.
Well truly, every person is responsible for his own crimes, but I don’t think much of parents who abandon their children. Boys who grow up without both parents in their life are much likelier to get into a life of crime, it doesn’t matter whether they are the kids of druggies in the inner city or fringe Mormons who throw boys out of the cult in their early teens. This kid chose to commit a crime but his parents, who chose to kick him out on his own, have to share some of the blame. Would anyone defend the kid’s mother if she was a drugged-out prostitute who threw him out on the streets as a young teen to make room in her life for more men? Then why would anyone give a pass to a culture who threw their sons out on the street to make it easier for old men to be polygamists. They’re terrible parents. That doesn’t excuse the rapist and murderer son but I think they share some of the moral blame for what happened.
Remember, they considered him a victim of the cult.
the same kind that hands over their 12 yro girls to some middle aged fat and balding pervert man of dubious intelligence?
at least the "lost" boys were able to leave....
face it folks....the basic tenet of many religions is what the men at the top can get out of it.....12 yro virgins, money, many devotees to do slave labor.....I'll bet that if they wanted the little boys,they could have them too...all in the name of "God"....
“So using your logic, I can assume that you saw the “lost boy” drinking and using drugs? You are getting really desperate..”
HE said it.. big difference when you admit to something and someone just accuses you of something. You are not only desperate, you can’t read apparently.
Perhaps it was not the FLDS Church, but the banishment by the FLDS from his family and community that drove him over the edge to drink, drugs and murder.
Did the Baptist Church banish Dennis Rader when he was a young teen and make him fend for himself in a world he was unprepared for? Not from what I have read.
BTTT
While people who had violent upbringings are more likely to commit violent acts, I don’t see this killing as grounds for further oppression of FLDS. Within any religious group, there are probably a few killers. Murders like this happen often enough in our society in general; the FLDS angle is hardly required to explain this.
I think the drugs left his personality out of control.
I think being tossed out on the street, condemned to hell by your family, friends, and everyone you knew, gave him a nothing to lose attitude.
I think that IF the long term example he saw while at the FLDS was of women and children being used, and abused by those in power, then that could affect his ‘state of mind’ as far as abusing the right of any female he desired, to just say ‘no’.
I think all these things affected him. Trying to pick one thing to ‘blame’ it on isn’t going to do much good.
Whatever the reasons, he took the drugs, went out of control, and killed another person.
He is guilty.
The investigation into the YFZ Ranch continues, and the criminal part of the case is just beginning.
IF there is any association between this murder, and the YFZ Ranch case, it should be that it will end up removing at least one of the ‘reasons’ for this boy’s behavior.
“But they do allow raping teenagers.”
What a vile comment.
I know no atheist who would use speech like that.
...and I know no Christian would:
Col 4:6
Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Tit 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
What are you?
Hank
Those who get involved with drugs can end up doing terrible things.
au contraire, mon ami. I think the FLDS angle is a huge part of this...but not for the religious aspect. For the societal aspect. Yes, folks, I honestly believe the FLDS kids are not socialized enough to get on, by themselves, in the real world. They have a warped (to us, anyway) frame of reference and are probably ill-equipped to deal with the real world.
as a homeschooler, I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's how I feel!
Christians tell the truth.
And it is a matter of established public record that the man the FLDS acknowledge as their Prophet personally authorizes the rape of teenagers.
What are you?
Someone who does not believe that Warren Jeffs speaks for the Almighty.
“No, some FReepers believe that after he was drilled out of the FLDS sect, with no experience of the world, he wound up on illicit drugs, since he had been told he was going straight to hell, and had nothing to live for.”
So you do believe the FLDS lifestyle caused him to rape and murder, not the alcohol and drugs. Interesting.
“Someone who does not believe that Warren Jeffs speaks for the Almighty.”
I was pretty sure you were not an atheist, which is what I am. And I knew you were not a Christian, since your speech denies it.
So your answer to what you are is totally wrapped up in Warren Jeffs. Seems like a rather narrow point of interest to make your whole life of.
Hank
Everything in the past leads up to the present moment. If a person is abused, or not socialized, it makes criminal behavior more likely. But none of that is specific to this cult. Plenty of people everywhere have similar problems dating back to childhood; the majority of people with terrible upbringings are relatively harmless. This is just a general explanation for criminality.
In theory, maybe, Christians tell the truth. In practice, most people, and most Christians, tell the truth sometimes and lie the rest of the time.
Fascinating perspective - what about the New Testament leads you to believe that stating documented facts is contrary to Christianity?
As a homeschooler I doubt you restrict your child from any interaction with the rest of the world, and tell him/her that they are all out to get him/her.
susie
I’m trying to wrap my head around an atheist quoting the Bible to make a point. LOL
susie
An 18-year-old man accused of shooting and killing his girlfriend during a party at his apartment after she refused to have sex with him has been bound over for trial.
During a preliminary hearing Wednesday, 3rd District Judge Terry Christiansen found there was sufficient probable cause to advance the case against Parley Jeffs Dutson on the charges of criminal homicide and aggravated sexual assault, both first-degree felonies.
He is accused of killing 15-year-old Kara Hopkins at the Willow Cove Apartments near 9300 S. Redwood Road on April 7.
During Wednesday’s preliminary hearing, four people who were at Dutson’s apartment the night of the shooting, including cousins and long-time friends, gave similar accounts of Dutson being high from taking hallucinogenic mushrooms and smoking marijuana prior to the shooting. Each gave similar accounts of Dutson being paranoid about someone named “Curtis” who was coming over to the apartment to “get him,” prompting him to carry a gun in his waistband for 30 to 45 minutes before the slaying.
Also during that time, Hopkins continually rejected Dutson’s requests for sex, which he demanded in crude, blunt terms, according to witnesses. At one point he began waving his gun around the room and pointed it at Hopkins before dropping it to his side, witnesses said. That pattern of pointing the gun at Hopkins and dropping it continued for several minutes.
At one point, when the gun was at his side, Hopkins began walking away from Dutson with her back turned to him, when Dutson suddenly lifted the gun again and shot her in the back of the head, witnesses said. Just prior to the shooting, another friend was trying to get the gun away from Dutson by convincing him that no one was coming over to harm him.
“Well, Kara’s coming,” were Dutson’s final words before firing, according to 16-year-old Michelle Raynolds. After he fired, Dutson continued to say, “I love you, Kara,” according to her friend.
Several witnesses testified that Dutson had eaten the “caps” off four hallucinogenic mushrooms before the party while others had mixed up what was described as “mushroom tea.” Those who went to the party say from the minute they walked in they saw an obvious change in the normally quiet, laid-back Dutson.
“Parley’s eyes were red and he was slurring (his words),” said 16-year-old Cody Rabbit.
“I knew that he was high,” concurred 19-year-old Daniel Pipkin.
Christopher Musser, who also drank some of the mushroom tea, said Dutson may have been hallucinating like some of the others who had taken drugs. Musser said he thought patterns in the carpet were moving. He said another friend was seeing characters from “The Simpsons” walk around the room.
“He could have been seeing so many different things,” Musser said. “Who knows what was going through his head.”
Several times throughout the night Dutson proclaimed he wanted to have sex with Hopkins. All of the witnesses said at one point Dutson removed Hopkins’ belt from her pants.
“He kept trying to grab her around the waist and unzip her shirt,” Rabbit said. “She kept saying, ‘No, maybe later. Not in front of everyone.’”
When two apartment security guards arrived at the apartment after the shooting, they found Dutson wearing only boxer shorts and a T-shirt sitting on the floor with Hopkins’ nearly naked body. The guards testified Dutson was talking really fast and repeating the same things over and over.
Defense attorney Brian Gardner said that his client, who did not take the witness stand Wednesday, does not remember anything from that night.
Dutson sat in a tan jail jumpsuit with only one hand in cuffs during the hearing. The other hand was used to write notes on a pad. A pre-trial hearing is scheduled for June 26.
By Pat Reavy
Deseret Morning News
Originally published Tuesday, June 26, 2007
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The mother described her daughter as “my little princess.” The Murray High School sophomore enjoyed jazz and hip-hop dancing and was interested in law, Hopkins said.
Kara Hopkins had dated Dutson for about a year, Hopkins said, and the two met years earlier while Hopkins lived in St. George.
Dutson came over for dinner most Sunday nights, Hopkins said.
“He was a good guy,” she said. “He’s always been great to her. He’s always treated her with respect. And me, too.”
Hopkins said she knew Dutson well and never knew him to use drugs or be around guns. She said a friend of Dutson’s had kept a handgun in Dutson’s apartment.
“I think he just got in with the wrong people,” Hopkins said. “I have mixed feelings about him. I always liked him. [But] I hope he’s punished for what he did.”
Dutson is from a polygamous community in Colorado City, Ariz., and others who have left the community were at the party that night, Hopkins said.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6764736
“So you do believe the FLDS lifestyle caused him to rape and murder, not the alcohol and drugs. Interesting.”
Yes I do believe it gave him the predeliction because he’d never been taught to think for himself or to be prepared for the real world. He was a babe in the woods. Alcohol and drugs could easily follow after that kind of upbringing.
Also, he was never taught to respect females, only seeing them as baby machines, owned body, mind, and soul by men.
Your post makes as much sense as anything in this thread.
A crime was committed. Somebody was murdered. It doesn’t matter what the reason is (unless it was self-defense which clearly doesn’t apply here in any way, shape or form).
Wonderful tagline!
Of course not! What I'm saying is that FLDS does exactly that, and that lack of socialization is a disservice to those who go "outside the cult", ie: society! They are handicapped.
And I am in no way suggesting that what this boy did was not heinous, nor am I trying to make excuses for his behavior.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean you were. I just wanted to point out that most of us are very aware of the difference between what they do, which can be harmful to a child who is then thrust into the real world, and what the vast majority of home school parents do. :)
susie
“HE said it.. big difference when you admit to something and someone just accuses you of something. You are not only desperate, you can’t read apparently.”
Well, I suggest both of you go back and read the article, cause neither one of you is right.
The article actually says that the boy claims he doesn’t remember a thing about what happened.
His friends testified to what he did.
Surely not.
It must have been rap music that turned him bad.
Dutson was only 16 when he was expelled from the FLDS polygamous Utah-Arizona border community of Hilldale-Colorado City by order of sect leader Warren Jeffs; it was a fate shared by many other teen boys deemed unworthy of the community. Dutson moved to St. George, where he is thought to have met Hopkins.
Dutson will be sentenced in the West Jordan 3rd District Court of Judge Royal Hansen at 8:30 a.m. on Aug. 21.
What are the sentence options in this case?.......
Sorry. You are both right.
Dutson stated he was high and drunk. Then he states he doesn’t remember what happened. And his friends testified to what did happen.
Where were we?
Dang. I feel so sorry for the family of the young lady.
I noticed a ‘clue’ in the story. The boy reportedly ate four mushroom caps. The others were drinking a ‘mushroom tea’.
Why?
“I think the FLDS angle is a huge part of this...but not for the religious aspect. For the societal aspect. “
Good point.
Young boys who don’t watch TV, movies, and who don’t even know that people take drugs for recreational purpose, suddenly getting thrown out on the sidewalk with only the clothes they are wearing, can be easily taken advantage of by ‘the street life’.
“I’m trying to wrap my head around an atheist quoting the Bible to make a point.”
What should I quote when making a point about what Christians believe, the Bhagavad Gita?
I have great respect for Christians who live by the principles they hold, but have found, sadly, many do not even know what their Bible teaches. I’ve studied the Bible for over forty years, and read it in both Greek and Hebrew. It is a marvelous book and very important in the history of Western Civilization, which we are rapidly loosing.
If this is difficult for you to understand, your understanding is deficient.
Hank
“Yes I do believe it gave him the predeliction because he’d never been taught to think for himself or to be prepared for the real world.”
I just can’t agree with you. Lots of kids who were brought up properly in fine wealthy worldly families also end up as addicts. It also happens that kids brought up in strict religious families (Baptist, for example) can stray and rebel. This kid here made bad choices. It’s just sad.
“Dutson testified that he does not remember the party because he had smoked marijuana, eaten four mushroom “caps,” drank alcohol and a substantial amount of a homemade tea brew of mushrooms and Kool-Aid. He said he did not remember much until he was in the police station - except for a few moments - like texting a girl who tipped him that, “Curtis,” the man who sold him the mushrooms, was coming over to find him.
That is what prompted Dutson to retrieve and load his black revolver. “
http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9761697
Then, the drug dealer wanted his money or the drugs, and was coming to get it.
Drugs can cause and do cause paranoia, but for someone experiencing such drugs for the first time (if it was) the paranoia is very extreme.
Even if it is true that the experiences at FLDS, and being thrown out contributed to the boy’s bad decisions, the cocktail of crap this boy took trumps pretty much ‘all reason’.
I do not believe they picked their 1700 acre site by accident.
LOL yes, call me names. That certainly gets your point across. Do you believe what the Bible says? If yes, then why are you an atheist? If no, why would you quote it?
susie
“I feel so sorry for the family of the young lady.”
I know we can all agree on that point.
Correct!
But they do allow sex with underage girls whenever the "spirit" moves them with desire.
I'll answer that one!
Too many men, not enough women! Therein lies the reason.
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