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Young illegal immigrants lose their San Francisco sanctuary
LA Times ^ | 2 July 2008 | By Maria L. LaGanga, David Kelly and Anna Gorman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

Posted on 07/02/2008 7:12:27 AM PDT by shrinkermd

SAN FRANCISCO -- California's best-known sanctuary city -- a haven for illegal immigrants -- has been escorting convicted juvenile offenders back to their home countries at city expense for nearly a generation and shielding them from federal officials in the process

But after several recent embarrassing incidents, this famously liberal enclave has been forced to reconsider how it deals with young undocumented criminals.

Ever since a city juvenile probation officer was detained by federal immigration authorities in Houston nearly seven weeks ago and questioned about two offenders he was escorting back to Honduras, the city has stopped flying such people home.

Instead, officials have increased the number sent to unsecured group homes in San Bernardino County. But then eight convicted juvenile drug dealers from Honduras walked away from facilities run by Silverlake Youth Services in recent days, creating an uproar among Inland Empire residents and officials.

"I was unaware that the city had its own foreign policy and immigration laws that superseded federal law," San Bernardino County Supervisor Gary Ovitt said, referring to San Francisco. "No one should have to suffer from a poorly thought

...Russoniello said in an interview that "the phenomenon of Hondurans being trucked into the Bay Area, housed in Oakland and sent out to sell crack cocaine" has been going on for years and that dealers claim to be under 18 so they can avoid harsher treatment by federal authorities.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigrants; illegals; immigrantlist; sanctuarycity; sanfrancisco; wod
This is a good example on how to win on an issue. Besides the publicity, the stress was on the moral high ground and the resulting back track on policy is only seen as a first step. Little wins add up to big wins in public policy. It is a matter of moral consistency and continuity that changes a policy.
1 posted on 07/02/2008 7:12:28 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I’m starting to realise that what you said about Newsome being the most conservative one in SF local gov’t. is true.

Ping


2 posted on 07/02/2008 7:14:47 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: shrinkermd
No, it's a good example of why SanFran should be nuked.

Or at the very least, all federal funds cut off and city leaders arrested.

3 posted on 07/02/2008 7:23:02 AM PDT by KenHorse (It may be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others)
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To: shrinkermd

30 year olds ...illegal immigrants convicted juvenile offenders


4 posted on 07/02/2008 7:27:03 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: shrinkermd
Newsom insisted Tuesday that the practice of shielding young illegal immigrant offenders from federal officials was not meant to protect lawbreakers.

Errr...pardon us Mr Enlightened mayor but young illegal immigrants ARE 'lawbreakers'. Oh and BTW...you and fellow liberal hordes have turned that beautiful city into a cesspool.

5 posted on 07/02/2008 7:35:45 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: tflabo

BUMP!


6 posted on 07/02/2008 7:40:53 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: shrinkermd

“I was unaware that the city had its own foreign policy and immigration laws that superseded federal law,” San Bernardino County Supervisor Gary Ovitt said, referring to San Francisco.


7 posted on 07/02/2008 7:56:07 AM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: All

At first, it appeared to be a case of corruption, where probation officials were cooperating with drug syndicates to give the mules easy access to and from the source country, likely in exchange for lots of dough.

But this article says a probation official was detained in the process of escorting dealers to Honduras, something even the Feds don’t do unless there are compelling special reasons to provide an escort all the way home. So now, if true, probation officials from San Francisco are themselves going to the dealers’ source country.

If true, this just gets more interesting every day.

Follow the money. That’s usually the key to most liberal governing practices.


8 posted on 07/02/2008 9:06:56 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: shrinkermd

bump


9 posted on 07/02/2008 9:25:16 AM PDT by lowbridge ("I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it" - Van Den Boogaard)
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To: shrinkermd
The authors who contributed to this xenophobic hit piece are obviously bitter voters from the heartland who cling to their guns and to their religion.
10 posted on 07/02/2008 9:26:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: shrinkermd
"I was unaware that the city had its own foreign policy and immigration laws that superseded federal law," San Bernardino County Supervisor Gary Ovitt said, referring to San Francisco.

Wow, this guy has really been living under a rock.

11 posted on 07/02/2008 9:29:23 AM PDT by WesternPacific (I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils!)
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To: shrinkermd
There are plenty of reports of gang violence south of the border. According to this Daily Telegraph Article:
Since January, more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones. If the trend continues, 2008 will top last year's toll of 2,500 deaths in drug-related killings.
You don't hear so much about Americans at the Border. Too bad.

Americans are regularly abused. According to this article entitled US Warns Tourists of 'Small-Unit Combat' at Mexico Border -- Murder and kidnapping of Americans has become routine all along the US Mexican border. According to the State Department sometimes heavily armed attackers wear the uniforms of the Mexican police or military.

If there is silence about events at the border. The silence about killings north of the border is deafening. And yet....

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says Think about it. A man or woman killed in Iraq or Iran in the line of duty is a hero. But what is an American killed at home by an illegal alien because the government has failed in its sworn duty to guard the borders. This is a pact between the sovereign and the person has paid taxes and loyalty. The answer is to that question is pretty awful. And it bodes ill for the republic.

But is it true?

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans--but by no means all -- being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Why isn't there an outcry in the black community? Beats me.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. If you check the links you'll notice that its McCain who cites Chertoff. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower. Sadly, so many small towns and villages across America have sent their warriors off to war half way across the world only to see communities fill up with illegal aliens.


12 posted on 07/02/2008 10:06:23 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana
......eight convicted illegal juvenile drug dealers from Honduras walked away from facilities run by Silverlake Youth Services creating an uproar among Inland Empire residents and officials. "I was unaware that the city had its own foreign policy and immigration laws that superseded federal law," San Bernardino County Supervisor Gary Ovitt said, referring to San Francisco.

Welcome to the Third World, Gary.

13 posted on 07/02/2008 10:51:45 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Liz

“I was unaware that the city had its own foreign policy and immigration laws that superseded federal law,” San Bernardino County Supervisor Gary Ovitt said, referring to San Francisco.

Welcome to the Third World, Gary. “

That’s a pretty amazing statement when you think about it. You and I knew SanFran was a flaming sanctuary city....but the County Supervisor didn’t?

Oy vey. Well at least he finally said it.


14 posted on 07/02/2008 11:32:51 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: AuntB

I’m just glad he said it, and that it’s getting quoted and requoted.


15 posted on 07/02/2008 1:20:10 PM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Tex Pete

Maybe the San Bernardino County militia could be called up to march on San Francisco.


16 posted on 07/02/2008 4:53:00 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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