Yulya "Cuckoo-Cuckoo" Timoshenko
(AFP Photo/Sergey Supinsky)
Posted on 07/01/2008 11:14:46 AM PDT by LibWhacker
An ancient Ukrainian code was used as the basis for the United States constitution, insists Ukraine’s Prime Minister, Yulya Timoshenko. She made the extraordinary claim while addressing compatriots on the country’s Constitution Day, on June 28.
The Gas Princess said: “The Ukrainian state has an undeviating constitutional tradition. In 1710, when civilised Europe was tentatively mulling over the separation of powers, and baron de Montesquieu even didn’t start writing The Spirit of the Laws, Ukraine had its own constitution by Pylyp Orlyk.”
Timoshenko also claimed that she once read that the U.S. and some of the European constitutions were copied from the Ukrainian one. However, she failed to recollect the source.
It seems Timoshenko's mysterious recollection will remain unanswered.
We considered returning the “stolen constitution” and adopting communism, but.... then we would be accused of stealing that too, so, we’ll just retain our ill gotten gains.
IF it’s true then they failed to get the freedom part.
The Ukraine, the Iroquois League - I don’t know, but whatever the inspirations, they worked. The US Constitution is the most effective guarantor of citizens liberties and the best guide for government in the world’s history.
That Can’t be, there is a Professor at a local college who teaches that we stole the US Constitution from the Iroquois Indians.
“We inwent fust!”
Yeah we so guilty we send Looter guy ancenstor to rip off Ukraine consitiation
And this is significant because? PUHLEASE, are we suppose to give it back?
If you love the God-given and unalienable rights to life, liberty and private property, and if your desire is to fulfill the stated purpose of our Constitution - “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity” - then you’ll hope to God that every nation on earth will steal the U.S. Constitution, the sooner the better.
All these years historians have wondered why they found a Ukrainian to English Dictionary at Monticello after Jefferson died.
“Gas princess” indeed!
Things like natural law and social contract theory were pretty popular in Western nations beginning in the 17th century. Having just read about the Ukrainians' attempt at their own Constitution during that same time period, it certainly is interesting, but Ms. Timoshenko must be smoking some really good crack in order to logically jump to the conclusion that the U.S. Constitution plagiarized its Ukrainian counterpart.
I thought we stole it from the Indians. /sarc
It’s Russian (close enough) tradition to claim “FIRST!” in discovering or inventing or accomplishing anything whatsoever. Nothing new here - whether there’s truth to the claim or not.
I thought it was a Chinese tradition.
The title of the article is deceptive - “...STEALING..”
It is similar to how some blacks claim that the Europeans “stole” various scientific ideas from the Africans(Egyptians)...which was why the black people were so far behind.
But one can plagarize ideas, but that doesn’t mean the ideas are no longer available to be used by those that might have originally found the ideas.
However, the body of the article suggests that the(snip) “..ancient Ukrainian code was used as the basis for the United States constitution.” And if it makes them feel better, so be it. It doesn’t take anything away from our founding fathers, and it really does little to improve the Ukraine!
However, many of the ideas found in the Constitution can be tracked back to some of the sources if you start first with John Adams’ “The Defense of the Constitutions of the United States” - an expository study of MANY DIFFERENT governmental systems that were the basis for how the state Constitutions were developed! That treatise was published many months BEFORE the start of the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
Because if you agree with her, she might let you advance to extra bases....?
I give it about a week before China reveals that it drew up a version of a constitution very similiar to that of the U. S. Constitution in 1727 BC. Or was what 1727 BS? I forget which.
Looks like she’s got that hair wrapped a little too tight.
Keep dreaming.
Actualy Yula, John Locke covered that in 1689 with Two Treatises of Government: In the Former, The False Principles and Foundation of Sir Robert Filmer, And His Followers, are Detected and Overthrown. The Latter is an Essay concerning The True Original, Extent, and End of Civil-Government (Now there's a title worth remembering)
Well, there ya go. Pylyp Orlyk just doesn't have the same kinda pizzaz that Thomas Jefferson has.
Actually, it’s common knowledge that the framers of the U.S. Constitution hacked into the Ukraine’s LAN and downloaded their constitution via Prince Albert Gore’s invention. MurryMom told me so.
I’m surprise none of you knew that.
I don’t think she was accusing anyone of doing anything wrong. I believe her point was one of national pride rather than a victim of copywrite theft.
...That BUSH family.... aye aye aye... Will they stop at NOTHING???
One might desire to make them Love Slavs....
And who did the Ukrainians steal it from? Like their ideas were original (or successful in their own land). Probably from the Greeks.
At this point I'd be happy if only the three branches of the US government would steal it back.
I've been to Ukraine twice and I have never seen hotter girls in my life. Sadly, they can age quickly. It doesn't take them long to go from looking like a supermodel in their early 20s to a hunchbacked babushka with gold teeth by their mid 40s.
One must consider the source of this article in evaluating whether it represents an accurate description of what she said, if she said it at all. Russia Today is a site that supports pro-Russian propaganda targeted against other nations of the former Soviet Union that have had the temerity to assert independance from Russia today. Yulya Timoshenko is very much pro-Ukrainian loathed by those who wish for a return to Russian hegemony.
“Because if you agree with her, she might let you advance to extra bases....?”
I have it on good authority that while in Europe, Thomas Jefferson assembled a team of thieves nicknamed “Jeffersons 11”. They actually stole the constitutions from three nations that night, Ukraine, Romania, and Hungary.
“It’s Russian (close enough) tradition”
Just a friendly “heads- up”: I once made the mistake of assuming that Ukrainians were Russian. I was quickly informed that many Ukrainians hate the Russians with a passion. This is due to the Stalin induced famine that was perpetrated upon the Ukrainian people that caused the death of millions of Ukrainians.
I don’t doubt it. My wife grew up in Oklahoma (and we both went college there) and people who love Oklahoma State hate those who love OU, and vice versa.
We moved to Texas (where I was born) many years ago and now live in peace - as Washington Redskins fans :-)
Maybe the Iroquois stole it from the Ukrainians.
Not guilty.
They can have it back, we haven’t used it in decades.
Ben Gates said we borrowed some of it from the French.
i believe it is called the babushka bomb
My Ukrainian-born wife speaks Russian exclusively, was raised in the Donbas where Russian is spoken exclusively, hates Tymoshenko, reveres Putin, remembers with great fondness the USSR and thinks that Ukrainian is a hillbilly language and people who speak Ukrainian are dirtbag villagers.
But don't ever call her "Russian" or she'll chew your head off!
The Founding Fathers were well educated and scholarly. Our Constitution is an amalgamation of the best ideas from all sources at their disposal.
Chernobyl will do that to a person ya know!
One of the ladies on our cleaning staff is Ukranian, early 30s, cute as hell, not much english other than ‘I like whiskey’, could have gotten into a lot of trouble one night last fall, pulling a late night shift. Shared a few shots with her (I keep a bottle in my desk for rough nights), laughed a little together and went home. Always wondered what could have happened. (other than getting fired)
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