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An Attack That Came Out of the Ether
The Washington Post ^ | June 28, 2008 | Matthew Mosk

Posted on 06/28/2008 7:59:39 AM PDT by plangent

The e-mail landed in Danielle Allen's queue one winter morning as she was studying in her office at the Institute for Advanced Study, the renowned haven for some of the nation's most brilliant minds. The missive began: "THIS DEFINITELY WARRANTS LOOKING INTO."

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Obama as a Muslim leads to extensive expose of Free Republic members by Dr. Danielle Allen, an Obama supporter.
1 posted on 06/28/2008 7:59:39 AM PDT by plangent
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To: plangent

and the fact that his family has outed him as a Muslim doesn’t matter, we of FR continue to spread “baseless” rumors that he is a muslim, when in fact he really is! Lefties, the biggest liars in the world. Free speech means nothing to these people, unless of course it is their free speech.


2 posted on 06/28/2008 8:04:31 AM PDT by calex59
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To: plangent

Yeah, they’re starting to hunt us down now. Nice. Let them come for me, and they’ll get more than they bargained for.


3 posted on 06/28/2008 8:05:42 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, have you seen this yet?


4 posted on 06/28/2008 8:06:14 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: plangent
Whether he is a Muslim or a Baptist is irrelevant to me. What's more important is that he is a Marxist and an idiot.
5 posted on 06/28/2008 8:07:09 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: plangent
I find it interesting that these types of articles always say that the rumor and innuendo has been refuted or debunked by the mainstream press, yet I never see any credible analysis or detailed refutation. It's like Obama's "fight the smears" site which simply says that Claim X is untrue and, presto, it is so because they said so.
6 posted on 06/28/2008 8:10:53 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: plangent; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog; EternalVigilance; Congressman Billybob; ...
Sifting through hundreds of postings, she began to piece together their identities.

And if Obama gets elected. FReeRepublic will be on their "Enemies List".

7 posted on 06/28/2008 8:11:36 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Many here feel McCain will hunt us down as well.Based on this WaPo story is it still possible to believe there is no difference betwen the two?


8 posted on 06/28/2008 8:12:22 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: plangent

Obama believes in Obama. It as foolish to think he’s a Muslim as it is to think he’s a Christian. No one with an ego that size believes in any God.


9 posted on 06/28/2008 8:13:13 AM PDT by Impy (Hey Barack, you're ugly and your wife smells.)
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To: plangent

Hey Danielle Allen read my tag-line.


10 posted on 06/28/2008 8:13:18 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, freerepublic.com baby)
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To: plangent
For a Genius she is barking up the wrong tree...Which BTW is pure Bravo Sierra. I know E1-E4s that can analyze better then her any day of the week.

Start with the Clinton War Machine...Genius


11 posted on 06/28/2008 8:13:54 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: plangent

I was raised a Catholic. Would it be fair to speculate about the effect of Catholicism on me? I think it would be. For Obama to simply say he’s a Christian shouldn’t render the issue closed.


12 posted on 06/28/2008 8:14:36 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: Beckwith; Eva; Jim Robinson
Head's up, folks! You've been named in the Washington Post today!

(snip from original article)

Poring over these early articles on the topic, Allen noticed what she thought was an important pattern. In each instance, someone had posted the articles on the Free Republic Web site, prompting a discussion involving the same handful of people, with several expressing a desire to spread the word about Obama's supposed faith.

Keeper of the Obama File

Of the file folders that are spread in neat rows across Allen's desk, only one is bulging. It holds printouts of the reams of conversations about Obama's religion appearing on Free Republic. Since its start in 1996 by Jim Robinson of Fresno, Calif., the site has grown into a home for discussion of all types -- though it is particularly noted for spirited political discussions dominated by conservatives and libertarians. Freepers, as they're called, converse with a varying degree of transparency. Most remain anonymous.

Allen counted 23 freepers among those engaging in regular discussions about Obama's religion, and isolated a handful whom she began to suspect as having a role in the e-mail. Sifting through hundreds of postings, she began to piece together their identities. There was "Beckwith," whom she pegged as a veteran from Boston, old enough to vote for John F. Kennedy, in uniform by 1964, and host of a Web site that devotes considerable space to an "Obama file" that says the senator is "by birth, blood and training, a Muslim."

Allen found Beckwith discussing the matter in a Jan. 13 clip from a Web-based conservative radio show based in San Diego. In his thick Boston brogue, Beckwith told hosts Jeff Lynch and Mike Howard that Obama's "relationship to Islam is the big question. When one investigates the background of Obama's conversion, I can find no record of his baptism."

"Wow! Interesting!" Lynch gasped.

"This guy could easily be the Muslim Manchurian candidate," Howard said.

As Allen scanned his postings on Free Republic, she noticed that Beckwith repeated several phrases that also surface in the e-mail. Beckwith called Obama "an apostate Muslim, educated in madrassas." And when Beckwith later repudiated the "madrassa" claim -- after it was debunked by the mainstream media -- the term disappeared from subsequent versions of the chain e-mail. The Post located Beckwith in a Boston suburb, and he agreed to be interviewed under the condition that he not be identified because "I get a lot of really nutty stuff and some of it's threatening." The 69-year-old said he is retired as a software engineer and lives alone, but for brief stints babysitting for his grandchildren. He said he started a Web site in 2005 "because I don't play golf." His initial goal was to take swats at the liberal left. "Then this new guy comes along called Obama," he said.

Beckwith said he built a Web site that features hundreds of pages of material intended to undermine Obama. "If 20 percent of what's on my Web site is true, this guy is a clear and present danger," Beckwith said. (He later added, "I try very hard to be accurate.") But while Beckwith speaks with pride about his research -- much of which he credits to an unnamed "colleague" in Europe -- and to his extensive Obama files, he rejects outright the suggestion that he authored the chain e-mail. "I've never been involved with any e-mailings. Period," he said.

Another Free Republic participant who attracted Allen's interest went by the handle "Eva." She was one of the first to write on the site about Obama's religion -- in November 2006 she began repeating the phrase "Once a Muslim, always a Muslim," when discussing Obama.

With the help of Allen's biographical sketch, The Post located Eva in rural Washington state. She is Donna Shaw, 60, a teacher who said Obama's ability to captivate audiences made her deeply uneasy because his "tone and cadence" reminded her of the child revivalist con-man preacher Marjoe Gortner.

13 posted on 06/28/2008 8:15:20 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: plangent
Wow she sure is busy. Isn't there some kind of conflict of interest going on here...she's using work time to do "research" for a candidate who she supports. What? Oh she's a Democrat-Socialist so it's "different" for her.

"I started thinking, 'How does one stop it?' "

I'm sure the Marxist in Obama can think of many ways so don't worry your pretty little head Ms Allen.
14 posted on 06/28/2008 8:16:48 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Eva

Did you see this? Has anyone pinged you?


15 posted on 06/28/2008 8:17:27 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: plangent

Well, it’s another reason why some of us need to stop spreading this BS about Obama being a Muslim. This is the sort of misinformation the left intentionally sends out in an attempt to discredit legitimate stories. Anyway, just because someone is a Muslim doesn’t mean they can’t still love America and be patriotic. Look at the millions of Muslims we have freed around the world. I’m sure many of them, as well as their relatives here in the States, are appreciative of this. Obama, on the other hand (the left one), is surrounded by people who DO hate America. Many are actually revolutionary communists to this day and are completely open about it. Please see my 10:30am ET post from today.


16 posted on 06/28/2008 8:17:55 AM PDT by ETL
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To: plangent

“the attacks on Obama are different”

So are Obamas attacks on the citizens of the US. He’s a highly captivating, smarmy and unrelentent flip-flopper(or liar) who’s defensive maneuvers always call for falling back and whining about racist atttacks on him. If it’s something he can’t explain, he or his surrogates pull out the race card to silence his critics.


17 posted on 06/28/2008 8:18:57 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: calex59

There’s no evidence that he’s a Muslim, unless you buy into the Muslim lie that anybody who is born to a Muslim parent and/or in a Muslim country and/or who has ever been converted to Islam even against their will or without their knowledge, is a Muslim (and thus must be killed if they ever “renounce” Islam). There’s plenty of evidence, however, that he was knowingly affiliated with a racist, Marxist, hate-mongering “Christian” church for many years, and only disaffiliated from it under extreme public pressure and for the benefit of his political career.

Frankly, there are lots of Muslims whose beliefs are more peaceful and rational and consistent with the Constitution, than the vile stuff spewed by Reverend Wright.


18 posted on 06/28/2008 8:19:37 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: plangent; Beckwith; Eva

Obama’s aides have made the smears a top target. They recently launched FightTheSmears.com to “aggressively push back with the truth,” said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor, and go viral with it.
***So it looks like Obama’s aides have been sitting down on the job when it comes to his birth certificate forgery.

As an Obama supporter — (Allen) had met the senator while she worked as a dean at the University of Chicago — it made her angry. And curious. “I started thinking, ‘How does one stop it?’ “
***It’s good to see the bias right up front.

Her eyes fell on this untrue sentence: “ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalency to our Bible, but very different beliefs).” The use of “their equivalency” and the spelling of “Kuran” instead of “Koran” made the sentence her point of departure. That search showed that the first mention of the e-mail on the Internet had come more than a year earlier. A participant on the conservative Web site FreeRepublic.com posted a copy of the e-mail on Jan. 8, 2007, and added this line at the end: “Don’t know who the original author is, but this email should be sent out to family and friends.”
***Ahh, Free REpublic. I’m so proud. I wonder which Freeper gets the credit on this one?

Poring over these early articles on the topic, Allen noticed what she thought was an important pattern. In each instance, someone had posted the articles on the Free Republic Web site, prompting a discussion involving the same handful of people, with several expressing a desire to spread the word about Obama’s supposed faith.
***Oooh, she’s keying up on FR!

Keeper of the Obama File

Of the file folders that are spread in neat rows across Allen’s desk, only one is bulging. It holds printouts of the reams of conversations about Obama’s religion appearing on Free Republic. Since its start in 1996 by Jim Robinson of Fresno, Calif., the site has grown into a home for discussion of all types — though it is particularly noted for spirited political discussions dominated by conservatives and libertarians. Freepers, as they’re called, converse with a varying degree of transparency. Most remain anonymous. Allen counted 23 freepers among those engaging in regular discussions about Obama’s religion, and isolated a handful whom she began to suspect as having a role in the e-mail. Sifting through hundreds of postings, she began to piece together their identities. There was “Beckwith,” whom she pegged as a veteran from Boston, old enough to vote for John F. Kennedy, in uniform by 1964, and host of a Web site that devotes considerable space to an “Obama file” that says the senator is “by birth, blood and training, a Muslim.”
***I suppose that answers my last question.

Another Free Republic participant who attracted Allen’s interest went by the handle “Eva.”
***OK, pinging Eva and Beckwith. Very cool article.


19 posted on 06/28/2008 8:19:49 AM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Poring over these early articles on the topic, Allen noticed what she thought was an important pattern. In each instance, someone had posted the articles on the Free Republic Web site, prompting a discussion involving the same handful of people, with several expressing a desire to spread the word about Obama’s supposed faith.

Keeper of the Obama File

Of the file folders that are spread in neat rows across Allen’s desk, only one is bulging. It holds printouts of the reams of conversations about Obama’s religion appearing on Free Republic. Since its start in 1996 by Jim Robinson of Fresno, Calif., the site has grown into a home for discussion of all types — though it is particularly noted for spirited political discussions dominated by conservatives and libertarians. Freepers, as they’re called, converse with a varying degree of transparency. Most remain anonymous.

Allen counted 23 freepers among those engaging in regular discussions about Obama’s religion, and isolated a handful whom she began to suspect as having a role in the e-mail. Sifting through hundreds of postings, she began to piece together their identities. There was “Beckwith,” whom she pegged as a veteran from Boston, old enough to vote for John F. Kennedy, in uniform by 1964, and host of a Web site that devotes considerable space to an “Obama file” that says the senator is “by birth, blood and training, a Muslim.”

Allen found Beckwith discussing the matter in a Jan. 13 clip from a Web-based conservative radio show based in San Diego. In his thick Boston brogue, Beckwith told hosts Jeff Lynch and Mike Howard that Obama’s “relationship to Islam is the big question. When one investigates the background of Obama’s conversion, I can find no record of his baptism.”


21 posted on 06/28/2008 8:20:16 AM PDT by woofie
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To: plangent
I read the whole 4 pages of the story. Not once did the article attempt to clear the air about Obama. Instead they just talk about how people are talking about whether Obama is a Muslim or not. Gee, is that a sin?

Dr Allen, instead of wasting your time tracking people who are engaged in free speech, why didn't you just sit down with Obama and interview him on his complete background and then do a check on what he told you about his background, then report that?!

Or is that just too obvious for a "genius!" You have done nothing to clear the air. And that's unfortunate and amounts to a waste of your time.

We are all back to square 1.

22 posted on 06/28/2008 8:20:39 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Kevmo

now we did it ..posting stuff from the main stream media on this radical website


23 posted on 06/28/2008 8:22:50 AM PDT by woofie
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To: ETL
Anyway, just because someone is a Muslim doesn’t mean they can’t still love America and be patriotic.

It has been said that not every Muslim is a terrorist, but check it out Sparky, on 9/11 EVERY TERRORIST WAS A MUSLIM.

And a belated welcome to FR, you've been posting some excellent articles FRiend, and I have been enjoying them.
24 posted on 06/28/2008 8:22:51 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: plangent


25 posted on 06/28/2008 8:22:52 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: plangent
"What I've come to realize is, the labor of generating an e-mail smear is divided and distributed amongst parties whose identities are secret even to each other," she says

It also aggressively disregards the fundamental principle of free societies that one be able to debate one's accusers."


This is nothing more than trying to build a case for a fairness doctrine type mandate for the Internet. It will begin with demanding that people use their real names and that will effectively shut people up.

Liberals are all about "choice" UNTIL you choose differently than them.
26 posted on 06/28/2008 8:22:58 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: plangent
I know this, whether he actually is or is not Islamic, he can recite the Islamic call to prayer perfectly in Arabic...and did so in one interview, calling it one of the most beautiful sounds in the world.

Many Islamics believe, due to the definitive nature of that prayer, that anyone who recites it becomes a "Muslim".

All of that aside, by his actions and positions in the IL and US Senates, and by his willful, long-term assocaiations, Obama is marked as the most anti-American and marxist individual to ever gain the nomination of any major party in US history.

WHO IS THIS MAN?

"I refuse to turn the United States of America into an Obamanation." - former Hillary Clinton supporter

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA


27 posted on 06/28/2008 8:23:05 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: plangent
As an Obama supporter -- she had met the senator while she worked as a dean at the University of Chicago -- it made her angry. And curious. "I started thinking, 'How does one stop it?' "

You don't stop free speech, Danielle. You address it.

Quite the little stalker, isn't she? Good at hunting people down.

28 posted on 06/28/2008 8:23:26 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; Jim Robinson; plangent; calex59; Virginia Ridgerunner; Conspiracy Guy; ...

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
—Adolf Hitler—


29 posted on 06/28/2008 8:24:55 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Impy
Obama believes in Obama. It as foolish to think he’s a Muslim as it is to think he’s a Christian. No one with an ego that size believes in any God.

Yes, he does believe in deity - it's him. He is Obamessiah, and he answers to himself. Very concerning.

30 posted on 06/28/2008 8:25:27 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: avacado

Any one who can think knows the answer (even a “genius” like Allen)...finding out the truth is NOT her agenda. Shutting up people who she doesn’t agree with, shutting up people who mess with HER agenda is the goal.


31 posted on 06/28/2008 8:26:34 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: plangent

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037768/posts

related discussion


32 posted on 06/28/2008 8:28:02 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
these types of articles always say that the rumor and innuendo has been refuted or debunked by the mainstream press, yet I never see any credible analysis or detailed refutation.

Dittoes. I've kept a perfectly open mind about the Swift Boat matter but have yet to find any credible refutation. It seems to me if Kerry was slandered or libeled by untrue accusations, he has full access to the court system to defend his "honor," along with virtually unlimited funds to press his legal case. Yet the WaPo piece dismisses the whole issue as a proven smear.

I have no idea whether Obama's a Muslim. I do know he was a 20-year member of a Black Liberation Theology church with a minister who outspokenly hates America. I do know Obama never took public issue with the church's anti-Americanism until it became politically expedient to do so. I do know he's a racist. That's enough for me to vote against him.

33 posted on 06/28/2008 8:28:10 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Jo Nuvark

I thought Herman Goering said that.


34 posted on 06/28/2008 8:28:10 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: plangent
Obama can be a muslim if he wants to be. He can be a Christian if he wants to be. He can be anything he wants to be...even gumby. Did I mention he was green?
35 posted on 06/28/2008 8:28:26 AM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: Conspiracy Guy

This site attributes Hitler.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/adolf_hitler.html


36 posted on 06/28/2008 8:29:36 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: AmericanMade1776; Beckwith; Eva

Sheeesh, my name was not in the article. Oh well. ha.


37 posted on 06/28/2008 8:31:09 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Whether he is a Muslim or a Baptist is irrelevant to me. What's more important is that he is a Marxist and an idiot.

I don't believe Obama is a Muslim.

My gut feeling is that he's an atheist.

He spent 20 years going to Jeremiah Wright's politicized church because it served his political purposes in his chosen Chicago political niche but I don't believe he has a single religious bone in his body.

I believe he considers religion "the opiate of the masses". Thus, he describes religious people as "clinging to religion".

38 posted on 06/28/2008 8:31:19 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: socialismisinsidious

Precisely. Somehow I doubt Ms. Allen will ever be pursuing an investigation into the lies/deceit regularly spewed at places like DU or The DK.


39 posted on 06/28/2008 8:31:36 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: A_perfect_lady
Quite the little stalker, isn't she? Good at hunting people down.

That bimbo Danielle Allen doesn't have the first clue about stalking. If I wanted to, I could have her entire credit and employment history, complete criminal history, and a whole bunch of interesting stuff from her neighbors past and present, and she couldn't do a damn thing about it.

I spent enough years doing skiptracing for a major corporation that I could figuratively put a microphone and a camera up her tail, have a good look around, write 'Kilroy was Here' inside her colon, and she would never have a clue.
40 posted on 06/28/2008 8:32:05 AM PDT by mkjessup (No, I don't do skiptracing and investigative stuff anymore, I'm retired from that circus ;))
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
With the help of Allen's biographical sketch, The Post located Eva in rural Washington state. She is Donna Shaw, 60, a teacher who said Obama’s ability to captivate audiences made her deeply uneasy because his “tone and cadence” reminded her of the child revivalist con-man preacher Marjoe Gortner.
________________________________________________________

I hope they asked her permission before printing her identity.

41 posted on 06/28/2008 8:33:16 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Jo Nuvark

Could be.


42 posted on 06/28/2008 8:33:35 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: mkjessup

I have a few people you could help me with.... : )


43 posted on 06/28/2008 8:34:42 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; BOBTHENAILER
"made her deeply uneasy because his "tone and cadence" reminded her of the child revivalist con-man preacher Marjoe Gortner."

I've never heard or read anyone remark about the most annoying and irritating speech defect the man (Obama) has when enunciating words that end in the letter "S."

He exagerates the "s" sound like a hiss, kinda like the Saturday Night Live skit that mocked the Chicago sports fans with Chris Farley and the gang calling the Bears... "Da Bearssss," and the Bulls... "Da Bullssss!"

You listen closely and see if he doesssn't talk like thissss. It almost whistlessss!!! (let me know if you hear it too)

44 posted on 06/28/2008 8:35:00 AM PDT by SierraWasp (No fool like an old fool! Juan McGore, the Republican McMaverick hates the media's challenging!!!)
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To: Polybius

Probably true. But his religion or lack of is one of his minor negatives to me.

His major negatives are too numerous to list.


45 posted on 06/28/2008 8:35:07 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
With the help of Allen's biographical sketch, The Post located Eva in rural Washington state. She is Donna Shaw, 60, a teacher who said Obama’s ability to captivate audiences made her deeply uneasy because his “tone and cadence” reminded her of the child revivalist con-man preacher Marjoe Gortner. ________________________________________________________
I hope they asked her permission before printing her identity.


If not, Eva is likely to become a major shareholder in the Washington (Com)Post. There isn't a lawyer anywhere who wouldn't enjoy taking down that also-ran to the NYT.
46 posted on 06/28/2008 8:35:35 AM PDT by mkjessup (No, I don't do skiptracing and investigative stuff anymore, I'm retired from that circus ;))
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To: kingattax

Big Bro’s Spies Ping


47 posted on 06/28/2008 8:36:47 AM PDT by taraytarah
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To: plangent

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Regarding the 911 attacks..."Why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all should have done a long time ago?"

August, 2003: Ward Churchill Caught On Tape Advocating Terrorism vs Fellow Americans!

Audio link at Michell Malkin's website (included below)

Question from audience:
You mentioned a little bit ago, "Why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all should have done a long time ago," that's my question.

Churchill: I'm gonna repeat that, tell me if I got that right: Why shouldn't we do something and how do you you move so they don't see you coming.

As to the first part, not a reason in the world that I could see. I can't find a single reason that you shouldn't in a principled way —there may be some practical considerations, such as do you know how (laughter from audience)

—you know, often these things are processes. It's not just an impulse. And certainly it's not just an event.

And the simple answer, although it probably should be more complicated, but I'm not being flip and giving the simple answer, is:
You carry the weapon. That's how they don't see it coming. You're the one...

They talk about "color blind or blind to your color." You said it yourself.

You don't send the Black Liberation Army into Wall Street to conduct an action.

You don't send the American Indian Movement into downtown Seattle to conduct an action.

Who do you send? You. Your beard shaved, your hair cut close, and wearing a banker's suit.

There's probably a whole lot more to it, you know that. But there's where you start. .."

more...

Audio link at:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001588.htm

48 posted on 06/28/2008 8:36:54 AM PDT by ETL
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To: GovernmentShrinker; ETL
I think it matters because muslims by and large fell under the sphere of influence of the former Soviet Union. Throughout the muslim world you find them easily co-opted by marxists who played on their antipathy for European colonizers and/or Jews. Many collectivist regimes are run hand-in-glove with Islam.

Now, of course, you can point out that there are collectivists who are Christian and Jewish, and this is true, but the judeo-christian ethic has proven compatible with capitalism and freedom. Islam hasn't. There's no Islamic influence in the American experiment, and freedom is a foreign concept to Islam as far as I can see.

Some of it has to do with the differing underlying philosophy of the three faiths. To be Jewish is to be chosen. To be Christian is to have faith in God's forgiveness. To be Muslim is to be obedient. Now. Which one of those is most compatible with Marxism?

Whether we like it or not, Marxism and Islam are deeply compatible. The only two details in which they differ is in the State v. God figurehead and the tribalism v. nationalism loyalty. But on the individualism/collectivism continuum, Islam is closer to them than to us.

When "whiteness" has become a codeword for capitalism, which it now is in universities nationwide, when Islam has become a symbol for "non-whiteness," we are looking at the new class war, which melds white/judeo-christian/capitalist into one identity, and non-white/marxist/muslim into the other. The only other.

This is the direction they are trying to move us. So the point of this rather long post is this: If Obama is, in addition to being a marxist, also possessing an imprint of cultural islamism (even if it's just from childhood experiences), he is the perfect candidate to solidify this thinking. And that is dangerous to the last free country.

49 posted on 06/28/2008 8:38:11 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: calex59

Free speech means nothing to these people, unless of course it is their free speech.

ONLY WHEN THEY OWN IT.


50 posted on 06/28/2008 8:39:00 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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