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Why do non-Jewish Americans support Israel?
Haaretz ^ | June 23, 2008 | Shmuel Rosner

Posted on 06/23/2008 2:24:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Walter Russell Mead is one of the most revered American foreign policy scholars in the U.S. He has authored some great books (chief among them, Special Providence), as well as many great articles. Last year he wrote the most powerful argument against Walt and Mearsheimer's The Israel Lobby.

Now Mead has a new article in Foreign Affairs, entitled "Why Gentile Americans Back the Jewish State". Although I usually refrain from just quoting articles without adding my own take, I think this time I'll do just that. Most people do not read such long articles, and are not Foreign Affairs subscribers, so I'm posting this as an appetizer which will hopefully lure people to the full article.

Revelation, Religion, ideals

Here are a couple of paragraphs from Walter Russell Mead's The New Israel and the Old:

"Widespread gentile support for Israel is one of the most potent political forces in U.S. foreign policy, and in the last 60 years, there has never been a Gallup poll showing more Americans sympathizing with the Arabs or the Palestinians than with the Israelis

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabs; christians; conservatives; israel; jews; judaism; middleeast; proisrael; wot
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Interesting column.
1 posted on 06/23/2008 2:24:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes but communists; leftists and bitter-cons aren’t interested in facts.


2 posted on 06/23/2008 2:26:58 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let's see......

Republic? Check. Israel is the only one in the region.

Traditional Allie? Check. Israel backed the U.S.A. while their enemies backed the Soviets.

Productive Society? Check. I read Science journals and use equipment made in Israel, the only (and I mean ONLY)thing of value its neighbors produce goes into your fuel tank.

Strong ties to the U.S.A.? Check.

Now shouldn't they feel foolish even asking the question?

3 posted on 06/23/2008 2:31:01 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Old Testament


4 posted on 06/23/2008 2:32:10 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The Lord.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Big “DUH” tagline ping to self.


5 posted on 06/23/2008 2:33:55 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
On the whole, a good article. It is "Jacksonian America" (though as a Federalist/Whig/Republican I don't necessarily like that adjective), and it is all about G-D.
6 posted on 06/23/2008 2:41:24 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vatiftach ha'aretz 'et-piha vativla` 'otam ve'et-bateihem; ve'et kol-ha'adam 'asher leQorach . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because Israel is the apple of God's eye and God Himself has promised in His Holy Word: "I will bless those who bless you (Israel) and I will curse those who curse you."

Lets see would I rather be cursed or blessed by God? Cue the Jeapordy music...

7 posted on 06/23/2008 2:48:39 PM PDT by Jmouse007
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel doesn’t need Christian support to exist, it has God for that.

It is our pleasure to JOIN the creator of the universe in supporting Israel.

Also, ever notice how every time Israel is ATTACKED (not the other way round), it ends up with more land?


8 posted on 06/23/2008 2:51:37 PM PDT by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What dont they understand about the 2 very basic words that is reason enough to support Israel.

NEVER
AGAIN


9 posted on 06/23/2008 2:51:51 PM PDT by Finatic (this species has amused itself to death)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm as goyish as you can be and I support Israel and the Jews because they usually represent accomplishment, learning, freedom, tolerance and courage against sometimes overwhelming odds.

Jewish people have contributed a disporportionate percentage of knowledge and accomplishment in relation to their small numbers to world culture and knowledge in the arts, science, medicine and many other fields.

Check out the number and very high percentage of Nobel prizes awarded to those who happen to be Jewish. They're smart people. They stress learning and education.

There are less than 13 million Jews left in the world and there more than a billion Muslims and others lined up against them and hungering to exterminate them from the face of the Earth. Jews may be the ultimate underdog for much of the world's hate groups.

The Muslims and anti-Semites should be ashamed of themselves.

Besides, where would we be without Mel Brooks and "Blazing Saddles" and "Young Frankenstein" ?

Don't ask. You don't wanna know. Oi. Don't get me started.

10 posted on 06/23/2008 2:52:09 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They support Israel because they believe that is what God wants them to do and they are assisted and assured in that belief by the virtually Satanic terrorist actions of the Muslims.

It’s not rocket science.

Not that there hasn’t been a few times when they have wanted to kick a little Israeli ass themselves., you understand.


11 posted on 06/23/2008 2:52:45 PM PDT by Ronin (Is there some rule that says that when an evil man gets sick, we must pretend he was saint?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Simple for me.

Jews have been chosen from the beginning to be the race of people to reveal God and His Son. Whether Jews believe or not is not even relevant. Their religion, customs and culture reveal Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I have been "grafted in" or "adopted" into God's family. It has nothing to do with individual Jews being "good" or "bad" people. Jesus came by way of the Jewish blood line, He practiced Judaism, and observed all their Laws and customs. He taught in synagogues, not churches. He will come back to rule and reign in Jerusalem. There isn't anything about Israel that isn't important for the history of the world.

This responsibility hasn't been given to the Chinese, Indians, Japanese, or Americans. There is no plan "B" if you are a believer. God will move His will through the Jews in Israel, good for us or bad. There will be NO BLESSING for any nation that is against Israel.

People will be judged in a separate way than nations, but make no mistake, nations will be judged by their relationship with Israel. A Christian will suffer with their nation if their leaders turn against Israel.

I support Israel because God supports Israel. If Israel felt is was necessary to annihilate the Palestinians, that would be fine with me because I figure God planned it that way. Either way Jesus will come back soon and split the Mount of Olives in two and EVERYTHING will change.

If someone attends a church that DOESN'T support Israel, then they are haters of God and haters of their own family.

12 posted on 06/23/2008 3:01:19 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why do non-British Americans support the UK?

ML/NJ

13 posted on 06/23/2008 3:06:50 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many goys support Israel because, from John Adams on, they saw the Jewish struggle as parallel with the story of the United States. We are a new people in a promised land of milk and honey. Evangelists support Israel because Jesus will return when the Jews have returned to their homeland. Whatever the reason, thank G-d for the support.
14 posted on 06/23/2008 3:07:27 PM PDT by gallaxyglue (Have we lost our civilization as we know it?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

911 turned me into a huge supporter of Israel.


15 posted on 06/23/2008 3:10:49 PM PDT by lormand (Support your local and state Conservative representative in November (assuming you have one))
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To: Jmouse007
Lets see would I rather be cursed or blessed by God?

It really IS that simple, isn't it? ;)

16 posted on 06/23/2008 3:11:28 PM PDT by Brad's Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

despite what the O BUM A says, we are a Christian nation by history..as much as the left destroys the values of our nation..most Christians understand the debt we owe to the Jews who produced the religions of the west.
May Israel stay strong and prosper. Amen.


17 posted on 06/23/2008 3:16:02 PM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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Alternative article idea: Why Would a Jew Be a Democrat?


18 posted on 06/23/2008 3:17:25 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Leaving the top of my ballot blank.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because guys like Netanyahu stand tough on their principles unlike the pussies in the Democrat party here in the United States that fold every time the wind blows.

19 posted on 06/23/2008 3:18:11 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: Mrs.Z

Perhaps God gave us to Israel.


20 posted on 06/23/2008 3:19:42 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I support Israel because they are the front line defense against the Islamofacist that seek to destroy America.....


21 posted on 06/23/2008 3:21:50 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why do non-Jewish Americans support Israel?

Because, while I would never claim to be civilized, I do support civilization over barbarism and nice people over nasty ones.

It isn't that complicated.

22 posted on 06/23/2008 3:29:37 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Americans today believe . . . they have often considered themselves God's new Israel.

This is just not so. Christians believe that the Jews are the apple of God's eye. We don't believe America is the new Israel.

23 posted on 06/23/2008 3:33:50 PM PDT by donna ("Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.")
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24 posted on 06/23/2008 3:35:38 PM PDT by Cindy
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25 posted on 06/23/2008 3:38:57 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jmouse007
Because Israel is the apple of God's eye and God Himself has promised in His Holy Word: "I will bless those who bless you (Israel) and I will curse those who curse you."

Lets see would I rather be cursed or blessed by God? Cue the Jeopardy music...


I could not have said it better myself...so I won't.
26 posted on 06/23/2008 3:39:24 PM PDT by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: donna

You’re correct.


27 posted on 06/23/2008 3:39:39 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jmouse007

Exactly right.


28 posted on 06/23/2008 3:40:45 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Genesis 12:1-3 is enough for me.


29 posted on 06/23/2008 3:42:43 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Cut the birth certificate crap! It's the communism, stupid!)
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To: Mrs.Z
Israel doesn’t need Christian support to exist, it has God for that.
True...

It is our pleasure to JOIN the creator of the universe in supporting Israel.
Again, true...

Also, ever notice how every time Israel is ATTACKED (not the other way round), it ends up with more land?
Evidece of the Scriptural passage about "cursing those who curse Israel" in action, no less...

the infowarrior

30 posted on 06/23/2008 3:44:59 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: allmendream

That’s not fair. Olives, Borage/Starflower, and Pistachios also come from the region.


31 posted on 06/23/2008 4:06:39 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because I feel like it.


32 posted on 06/23/2008 4:13:37 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: rmlew
Yes, but living in California we grow superior Olives, Pistachios, and anything else that do not need to be imported.

I used some surgical equipment made in Pakistan once........ONCE.

My point being that there are so many reasons for Israel to be our allies rather than the alternative that it takes a bit of cognitive dissonance to even ask the question.

33 posted on 06/23/2008 4:17:06 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: ml/nj

My point exactly! Why do so many non-British Americans support the UK? It is a rather obtuse question.


34 posted on 06/23/2008 4:19:28 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I liked this observation:

“Many Jacksonians formed negative views of the Arabs during the Cold War. The Palestinians and the Arab states, they noted, tended to side with the Soviet Union and the Nonaligned Movement against the United States”


35 posted on 06/23/2008 4:26:24 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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36 posted on 06/23/2008 4:31:12 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Jmouse007

I am with you 100% FRiend.


37 posted on 06/23/2008 4:32:12 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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38 posted on 06/23/2008 4:37:35 PM PDT by SJackson (If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be, Michelle O)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because we have the same basic values and the same enemies. I support Australia for the same reasons.


39 posted on 06/23/2008 4:43:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually, a better question is why do liberals, and secular liberals of Jewish descent hate Jews, Christians, and Isreal?


40 posted on 06/23/2008 4:46:51 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Why do non-Jewish Americans support Israel?"

Because this decidedly non-religious gentile recognizes the important contribution the Hebrews made to the basis of western civilization and the status Israel has as the oldest and most stable democratic nation in the mideast.

An honorable man doesn't need to satisfy self-interest with his respect and admiration. It is freely given to those who merit it. The Israelis merit mine.

41 posted on 06/23/2008 4:47:03 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know about anyone else....but I just love to watch the Israeli Air force drop bombs on the Palestinians and make the little fuckers dance! The Palestinians wanted to dance on 911 to celebrate the deaths of Americans, so I love to watch it happen in real life to them!


42 posted on 06/23/2008 4:56:21 PM PDT by Morgana (Muslims...............I can't believe these people are that crazy without alcohol!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why do non-Jewish Americans support Israel?
++++++++++++++
7th century culture who indoctrinates their population with hate, intolerance and a culture of death, conquest and destruction vs. Israel’s quest for a free and fair society and one whose goal is to be able to live in peace with her neighbors.

How could any rationally thinking human being, with only the basic historic facts of the history of the region, not support Israel? The more I read, see and hear the more I support Israel.


43 posted on 06/23/2008 4:59:53 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Jewish people can be contrary and irritating and arrogant. Same for Israel. But Christians and those in the West should never forget that Israel is on the front line of Jihad. Israel is where the Muslim world is testing the Christian world. The Muslims are invading and softening up Europe via immigration and high birthrates so they have their sights on Europe too

(I’m Jewish)


44 posted on 06/23/2008 5:17:48 PM PDT by dennisw (We have an idiocracy not a democracy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I support Israel because I think they are in the right and their enemies are wrong. Pure and simple.


45 posted on 06/23/2008 5:25:25 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Morgana

LOL


46 posted on 06/23/2008 5:30:50 PM PDT by dennisw (We have an idiocracy not a democracy)
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To: Puddleglum
“Many Jacksonians formed negative views of the Arabs during the Cold War. The Palestinians and the Arab states, they noted, tended to side with the Soviet Union and the Nonaligned Movement against the United States”

Unfortunately for much of this time the pro-Arab position was the "official" conservative position--not just among "palaeos," but mainstream conservatives as well.

The Jacksonians were paying attention to who supported whom.

47 posted on 06/23/2008 5:52:24 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vatiftach ha'aretz 'et-piha vativla` 'otam ve'et-bateihem; ve'et kol-ha'adam 'asher leQorach . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Umm.., because it’s the right thing to do?


48 posted on 06/23/2008 6:17:05 PM PDT by Mr Inviso
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To: beaelysium
Why do non-Jewish Americans support Israel?

Because they are the good guys in this fight, and the those who are against her are the bad guys.

The British tried to placate the Arabs by giving them part of the land designated under the Palestine Mandate (originally allocated under the Balfour Declaration for the establishment of a Jewish homeland). Britain created an entirely new province by severing 77% of historic Palestine (and an additional 3% was also allocated to Syria), on the eastern bank of the Jordan River (some 35,000 square miles), and establishing the state of Transjordan.

Faisal, who had been King of Syria, was deposed by the French, so the British offered him the throne of Iraq, which he accepted. Faisal's brother Abdullah was installed as the new nation of Transjordan's ruler on April 1, 1921 (April Fool's Day), thereby completing the appeasement of Arab rulers.

During the Arab-Israeli war of 1948, in which nine Arab nations attacked Israel, they took control of the ancient biblical territories of Judea and Samaria (Jewish territory, which was "occupied" for nineteen years until 1967, when it was liberated and reconquered in yet another defensive war).

On April 24, 1950, Abdullah formally merged all of Arab-held Palestine with Transjordan and granted citizenship to all Arab residents and settlers (the vast majority of whom arrived the 1920s for economic reasons).

The Hashemite Kingdom was no longer only across the river so the prefix "Trans" (meaning "across") was dropped, and henceforth, the land became known as Jordan; i.e., Arab Palestine.

Remember, Jordan is Palestine. Arab Palestine.

What the real look of the place is: Jordan has 34,495 square miles and Israel hs 10,000 square miles.

What those who hate Israel would have you believe:


49 posted on 06/23/2008 6:23:29 PM PDT by antonia ("Be the person your dog thinks you are....")
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