America needs more marriages, not fewer, and the best way to encourage marriage is to encourage marriage,
which is what society does by bringing gay couples inside the tent.
Posted on 06/22/2008 4:57:28 AM PDT by Zakeet
By order of its state Supreme Court, California began legally marrying same-sex couples this week. The first to be wed in San Francisco were Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon, pioneering gay-rights activists who have been a couple for more than 50 years.
More ceremonies will follow, at least until November, when gay marriage will go before California's voters. They should choose to keep it. To understand why, imagine your life without marriage. Meaning, not merely your life if you didn't happen to get married. What I am asking you to imagine is life without even the possibility of marriage.
Re-enter your childhood, but imagine your first crush, first kiss, first date and first sexual encounter, all bereft of any hope of marriage as a destination for your feelings. Re-enter your first serious relationship, but think about it knowing that marrying the person is out of the question.
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In 2008, denying gay Americans the opportunity to marry is not only inhumane, it is unsustainable. History has turned a corner: Gay couples – including gay parents – live openly and for the most part comfortably in mainstream life. This will not change, ever.
Because parents want happy children, communities want responsible neighbors, employers want productive workers, and governments want smaller welfare caseloads, society has a powerful interest in recognizing and supporting same-sex couples. It will either fold them into marriage or create alternatives to marriage, such as publicly recognized and subsidized cohabitation. Conservatives often say same-sex marriage should be prohibited because it does not exemplify the ideal form of family. They should consider how much less ideal an example gay couples will set by building families and raising children out of wedlock.
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America needs more marriages, not fewer, and the best way to encourage marriage is to encourage marriage,
which is what society does by bringing gay couples inside the tent.
Do you have ANY idea of how SICK and DEMENTED HOMOSEXUALITY that is ACTED UPON really IS???? DISGUSTING and UNNATURAL!! What the HELL has happened to the WSJ??? TOILET PAPER.
Sorry, but there is no good reasoning here. All the research shows that happy, well-balanced children are much more likely to have a mother and a father who are committed to one another. Also, if gay ‘marriage’ is permitted, it opens the door wide to all sorts of hate crime laws that, in effect, kill free speech.
You are supporting Queer marriage?
What do two guys screwing each other in the rear have to do with marriage? No matter what you call it, it does not make it marriage.
I was wondering the same thing.
What the hell has happened to the Wall Street Journal?
Glad I stopped reading it years ago.
Come on down to the farm
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When marriage means anything, marriage will mean nothing. That’s the secular game plan.
Just another step on the road to Rome..
It ain’t marriage. It’s some sort of arrngment, but it ain’t Marriage.
You have simply GOT to be kidding.
Tell me you are, even if you aren’t.
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Yup - no agenda here.
Who wants to be me a diet coke that Jonathon isn't a flaming homosexual?
it’s great for bidness if your a divorce lawyer. i can’t wait when the first san franciscan walks in with his male goat and demands to be married.
With gay marriage comes the destruction of our society.
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record—Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .
... 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
A critic of U.S. government public policy in general, and specifically in its relation to homosexuals, Rauch has pursued gay-related topics as an openly gay[2] author since 1991 when he spoke out against hate-crime laws in The New Republic, and is an avid proponent of same-sex marriage.
No, I don't want my government to pretend that homosexuality is normal.
When these subsidies are pulled, the marriage penalty becomes extreme. The funny thing is that dual-income families see the lower married rate as a higher rate than the single rate. So the fight over the tax code has been unwinding the system of favoring married couples for years as well. Europe has lead in this trend with the number of marriages plummeting. Some say because of Gay marriage and others saying that the drop off precedes the legalization of Gay marriage. But this trend line more matches when "Domestic Partner" benefits are put in place which force companies to unbundle benefits for married couples and remove all subsidies placing an ever higher burden on people who marry.
In Europe, legalization of Gay marriage did not result in an increase of married couples. Gays initially took advantage of the marriages, then stopped, giving into the overall society pressure to abandon the institution of marriage. Ultimately, its the children who suffer, as marriage is for children, not adults and its amazing that folks have completely forgotten this. Gays can only have children through adoption or illegitimacy, and despite claims, children do best when they have a dad and a mom.
Feminism has spawned many ruinous and society damaging experiments, but the loss of the foundation of society, marriage, precedes the very loss of our social fabric.
In Europe, this crisis has been a population implosion that has left the continent to be resettled by folks from elsewhere. Is that our choice in America as well?
The Naked Communist:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/416.html
Points # 18 and #25 pretty much sum this up for me.
Read it all. Then weep when you realize how methodical and EFFECTIVE the Commies have been at ruining America...while we stood by, clueless!
“History has turned a corner: . . .”
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No, History has walked off a precipice.
A side issue, but it's funny to read about the so-called marriage penalty when those of us that are single and without children still have to pay taxes to support the schools of presumably spawning married couples' children. I would call that the "single penalty".
Anyway, as far as the original subject of the thread, marriage is truly a religious ceremony. The government is involved, but shouldn't be. This "gay marriage" is nothing but a two-party contract (and quite likely about as open-ended as a regular marriage contract, which should keep the divorce lawyers busy).
"Unsustainable" is not the word I would have chosen for a restriction that has been the fundamental element of the definition of marriage - Verbindung - matrimonium - γάμος - unione - замужество - mariage for all of recorded history. That is as sustainable as things get. No society in the history of the world has changed that definition (other than by allowing polygamy) and survived long enough for their experiment to make it into the history books. That absence of a track record leads me to think maybe this experiment requires a little more caution than just pretending to find a new definition in the Constitution as activist judges are trying to do.
I have nothing against Gay marriage as long as a Gay man marries a Gay woman I’m fine with it.
Unless there is some sort of uber secret gay sex act that straight people don’t know about a Gay woman can take care of Gay man in the same way sexually as a Gay man and vice versa.
Most of these perverts are misfits in society and could not find a mate of the opposite sex.
I canceled the WSJ three years ago when it embraced the Mexican invasion. Thank God for the Internet. May it ever be free!
Gay marriage legitimizes homosexual activity some of the consequences are:
* In Massachusetts and California homosexuality government school children are being indoctrinated in homosexuality because homosexuals are now legally legitimate. In California Senate Bill 777 demands this.
* A photographer being sued for discrimination because he refused to photograph a homosexual union.
* A Chicago psychologist was fired from the police department because a one time of his life he was a member of a Christian denomination that opposes homosexuality.
* Colorado passed a law requiring access to womens bathrooms and locker rooms by males with sexual identity disorders.
* The Catholic Church was forced out of the adoption services because they refuse to place children with gay couples.
The list is very long. Along with gay marriage comes police threat, courts, and real government bullets.
Thank you, Diana.
It can’t be repeated enough. This didn’t just happen, IT WAS PLANNED.
It is nothing more than a semantic trick. People who engage in homosexual behavior have as many rights as do those who do not engage in homosexual behavior. All our rights are predicated on the assertion that we "are endowed by the Creator" of rights owing to our HUMANITY and not our sexual proclivities.
There are no such thing as "Gay people." There are, however, people who choose to engage in homosexual behavior which is a perversion and dysfunction. Marriage is for a man and woman.
The only way gay marriage would be good was if they were at least mostly monogamous, but their insist in changing even the definition of marriage, as their lusts for sex typically trumps fidelity.
But gay marriage is not simply wrong bcz every kid should have a father and mother, but it is wrong because homosexual relations are wrong, and is only explicitly condemned in Scripture, and and nowhere* in the Bible does God sanctify such with marriage, no matter how much homoapologists strive to place sex where it is not in the Scriptures, as they lust to put together what God has sexually placed asunder.
God has made man and women uniquely compatible and complementary, in more ways than just physically, and sanctifies such by marriage.
*http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/homosexual_refuted.html
You mean those kids that will pay your social security to you when you retire, tend to your nursing and be your physician, the ones that will be helping you with your investments and even giving you golf lessons? The ones who will fly the planes and drive the trucks so the good can get to you and you can see vacation?
Explain to me how you are better off seeing these children have the education of a third world country.
Marriage was doomed when no-fault divorces appeared on the scene. I think it can be returned if we simply made divorce very difficult when children are involved. We would have fewer pseudo-marriages of all kinds and, as an added benefit, fewer divorce lawyers.
Because parents want "safe" children and preserve the right to raise them according to their time-tested values and historical sound role-models without interference from the socialist left that wants to re-engineer society and further the breakdown of morality, society has an exceptionally powerful argument and interest in denying that a same-sex union is worthy of the same societal merit that traditional marriage is.
It will either fold them into marriage or create alternatives to marriage, such as publicly recognized and subsidized cohabitation.
What they do in private contractual agreements is their own business, however it should not, even for one second be recognized as being similar to the foundational structure of all successful societies, the traditional marriage.
Conservatives often say same-sex marriage should be prohibited because it does not exemplify the ideal form of family.
The traditional cry from the left is "equality" and this should begin at home. By providing an environment conducive to traditional marriage and fostering such relationships, children are able to receive more or less and equal footing in society, having both a mother and father and learning the components of one of the most successful relationship models that mankind has to offer: The traditional family.
They should consider how much less ideal an example gay couples will set by building families and raising children out of wedlock.
Which is all the more reason to deny homosexuals the ability to adopt. Adoption should be restricted to traditional families only. Children brought into the defective world of homosexuality are inevitable scarred emotionally and in many cases physically. You cannot save society by permitting the inmates of the asylum not only run it but to raise our children on top of it. Currently there reports of an active bias towards restricting the ability of traditionally married couple from adopting children in favor of homosexual couples. This needs to be savagely curtailed immediately and the process for a traditional couple to adopt needs to be made both financially and buerocratically simple.
It's almost as if "gay marriage" is a gateway into eventually legalizing pedophilia.
It all depends on whether you see your self as pre-married, as such your are just investing in things you will need later. If not, then, yes you are paying for that horrid spawn of the breeders who sustain life and the country and the society into the next generation.
Folks used to understand that children are the future. Now some just see them as other peoples problems. That attitude gets you what is occuring in Europe, a country where someone else's children occupy the land that you have chosen to abandon. And, I know its hell to pay to help them do it.. but what the heck, once you are dead what are you going to do about it anyway.
There are two different types of marriage - divine and civil. One is the God appointed union of a man and woman with vows made before God and His church - it is eternal. The other is a legal procedure where two people fill out and file paperwork with their government overlords - it is temporal.
The problem is when you look at one being equal to the other, which is why as a conservative Christian I do not get upset about this issue. What the gay people are doing is not divine marriage, it’s civil and it is a meaningless as a drunken couple exchanging vows in front of an Elvis impersonator on the Vegas strip - neither mean anything in the eyes of God.
Where’s the BARF ALERT?
As James Burnham said, the purpose of liberalism is to make the West comfortable with its own suicide. Uncloseted homosexuality is but one example.
What was onced a blessed society will now be doomed to failure!
I think he’s a lumberjack and he’s okay.
Same here, neighbor. Good Gawd A'mighty, their sense has flown the coop.
As you can quite visibly tell from such performances as those "gay parades", they are only in it to get that "in your face" publicity.
Most gay marriages last about as long as a Yugo.
To be sure, gay marriage is not recognized in the eyes of God except as an abomination (and the nation that sanctions such is under condemnation, and is headed for damnation).
But Biblically speaking, as marriage is first found instituted by God btwn the 1st 2 humans (Gn. 2:24), it is a divine institution, although the Bible recognizes pagan marriages if they conform to the Biblical model, btwn a man and a women, who thus at least have the physical compatibility to procreate (to use a crude illustration, the gas pump does NOT go in the exhaust pipe)
Homosexuals realize, or rather the demons behind them, that as in the case of male Temple prostitutes (sodomites), what the Temple sanctions sets the moral standard for the nation. That is why they really desire not just civil but church marriages.
You would think that a paper that is concerned with finances would consider even the monetary cost to a countries war against God, esp. in this realm:
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Barf Alert? The poster seems to be advocating gay marriage! More like a ZOT alert.
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