Posted on 06/20/2008 9:46:23 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
Hey, way to go, Townhall.com. Why not publish Pat Buchanan’s Holocaust revisionism? After all, he’s a real conservative, isn’t he?
Retch.
Townhall.com::Was the Holocaust Inevitable?::By Patrick J. Buchanan.
I’ve removed Townhall.com from our list of news sources. This is appalling.
UPDATE at 6/20/08 9:39:59 am:
The article has been deleted, but the print version is still online.
Pat Buchanan is one more reason to not watch Fox News. As if having Geraldo wasn’t bad enough...
Hey, Townhall — more Krauthammer, less Buchanan!
ping
The scary part of Pat is not that he believes this, but what he believes that he has the restraint to not publish.
True, true. Your comment made me also think that another scary part of this article appearing is that the climate is such that Buchanan doesn't think this article is beyond the pale. He wouldn't have tried to push this article ten years ago, or even five years ago.
“As if having Geraldo wasn’t bad enough...”
Geraldo was the lawyer for the Young Lords, a poor imitation of the Black Panthers.
I thought Pat was on MSNBC, as the token Nazi.
OMG - Another thread of WWII experts that will ignore the one in between WWI and WWII - that claimed more than all the soldiers killed in WW I.
*Sigh*
Would calling Pat Buchanan an idiot be redundant?
Sure, Pat: and if it weren't for those meddling Brits, old Adolph would have spent the 1940s painting landscapes at Berchtesgaden, right?
F-ing Nuts.
Actualy, he’s on Fox only infrequently as a guest. He a regular on MSNBC.
I guess killing the Jews was just by accident....what a dope.
Thanks for the clarification. Isn't MSNBC the network with Olbermann? They've got quite a crew there...
Buchanan is a delusional paranoid.
Buchanan seems terribly willing to be an 80% apologist for Hitler. (I have no idea about Kaiser Bill. But the distribution of fault for WW2 seems a lot more clearly to lie with Germany than does the fault for WW1.)
As if having Geraldo wasn’t bad enough...
I know what you mean. And on Fox’s morning show they drool and do tricks when Geraldo “graces” their morning show. They’re aboslutely gitty. It is disgusting how they treat him like some sort of royality.
Quit insulting delusional paranoids! The man almost makes Jeremiah Wright look sensible.
and i guess everthing else Hitler did to the Jews short of killing them was okay, too... yes--what a dope... i'm ready for Pat to go away...
Why are people surprised by this? The warning signs have been evident for well over a decade if not longer.
I second the motion! Better yet, replace him with Mark Steyn. Krauthammer can sometimes go off the conservative reservation.
Alright, who turned on the gas? Gustaf? You dolt!
This is beyond absurd!
Regarding Nazi intentions, here’s an article published in the Nazi newspaper in 1920:
http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_holocaust/documents/part1/doc2.html
Olbermann and Buchanan BOTH present the identical leftist delusional stereotype of the slavering nazi conservative, but by different means. Olbermann advocates and accuses, while Buchanan illustrates and exemplifies. They are equally foul.
Pat’s penchent for trying to explain Hitler, has rendered him a big fat zero on the scale of 0 to 100, regarding whether he is a person to be listened to any longer or not.
Just damn Pat. When in doubt put a sock in it. Sadly, this guy has no doubt. And so I no longer have any either.
Any network or news organization that would defile itself with Pat’s rantings, will now taint itself in my eyes, and the eyes of most of the U.S. public. Enough is enough!
Way to destroy yourself Pat. At least there’s one thing for which you still remain an expert.
“That Hitler was a rabid anti-Semite is undeniable. “Mein Kampf” is saturated in anti-Semitism. The Nuremberg Laws confirm it. But for the six years before Britain declared war, there was no Holocaust, and for two years after the war began, there was no Holocaust.
Not until midwinter 1942 was the Wannsee Conference held, where the Final Solution was on the table.”
Hitler and his goons were gearing up for the Holocaust the whole time. They practiced their gassing techniques on the mentally disabled. I thought the point of the Wannsee Conference was to come up with or put into action a plan to transport and kill Jews even faster.
and now it’s........Springtime for Hitler and Germany......
Assuming the correctness of your assertions, they still do not back up Buchanan’s thesis - that World War II and the Holocaust could have been avoided were it not for British meddling.
>>Was the Holocaust Inevitable?
No. It needed Hitler.
If you don’t like FOX just say so. What in the hell does Buchanan have to do with them???
Most of the commenters above do not seem to know much WWII history.
The Holocaust was invoked only when Germany began to lose the war. Psychologists would call this an example of displacement, like hitting a table when angry but unable to hit the boss. The Jews were hated, but their extermination was enacted only when Hitler found himself helpless against the allies. That is why it seems so unnatural, and why Hitler is called a madman.
But Hitler was not a madman. He was a hater, an eccentric, an egotist, and many other things, but not a madman. If you believe that he was a madman, then you should take the view that in a court he could be excused for his crimes because of insanity. I would not take that view: I would say that he could be tried, very simply, as a murderer — and under simple German law, not for some novel reason, like “genocide.” Just try him for simple murder.
All that's worthwhile on Fox is Brit Hume and a few of the guests.
What do you call a network that employs (of has employed) Geraldo Rivera, Greta van Sustern, Alan Colmes, Shep Smith, Wesley Clarke, Bill O'Reilly...
Fox is only worthwhile in comparison to the hard-left ABCBSCNNMSNC juggernaut.
I don't think anyone would dispute that Hitler hated Jews. But extermination became a possibility for him only when he controlled enough of Europe and when he couldn't get anything for the Jews he held hostage.
It doesn't make him a nice guy, and we don't have the responsibility for the Holocaust, but there was a connection between our entry into the war and what happened. That doesn't mean that we should have stayed out, though we could have given more thought as to what was going on and what we could do about it.
I really have little idea (about your historical judgments) because I know too little to opine. I do remember forming a rather strong opinion that the Versailles Treaty was far too punitive against Germany and helped fuel Hitler’s rise. That’s about it for me; too many gaps in my knowledge.
>I would say that he could be tried, very simply, as a murderer — and under simple German law, not for some novel reason, like “genocide.” Just try him for simple murder.
He would be out in 15 years.
Could you be more wrong?
“This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst.” - Adolf Hitler 8 August 1920 NSDAP meeting.
“If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink. They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!” - Adolf Hitler in a conversation with Josef Hell 1922.
“Europe cannot find peace until the Jewish question has been solved. …One thing I should like to say on this day [the sixth anniversary of his being appointed Chancellor of the Reich] which may be memorable for others as well as for us Germans. In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet and have usually been ridiculed for it. … Today I will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshivization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.” - Adolf Hilter, Reichstag speech 30 Jan. 1939.
Didn’t take me much time to find these quotes. And I didn’t even look at Mein Kampf.
Buchanan, you are full of crap or stupid. I think both honestly.
So, if we had only lost the war, everything would have been fine?
The Nazis always wanted to exterminate the Jews, they were just waiting for the right time. It is a measure of their hatred that they would waste precious resources on the holocaust rather than on defending the fatherland.
It was actually just a miscommunication that caused all this. The Nazis requested a supply of Zyklon *D* (D for disinfectant), not Zyklon B. The procurement guy miread der Fuhrer's handwriting.
One little mistake...
Those were only Hitler’s little jokes. Just like the apologists for the guy in think he really doesn’t mean it.
When is Buchanan going to take off his mask and admit that he thinks the extermination of the Jews was (and is) a good idea.
One little mistake...
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See! My mother always said that handwriting WAS important!
The Nazis always wanted to exterminate the Jews, they were just waiting for the right time. It is a measure of their hatred that they would waste precious resources on the holocaust rather than on defending the fatherland.
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You are right, the Nazi’s always hated the jews, it just took Hitler to get them to power they needed to carry out their plan.
In my opinion he already has. I'm not Jewish, but I find this type of behavior despicable in general. The fact that Buchanan claims that he is a man of God makes it even worse. He needs to find a nice hole to crawl in and disappear.
Oops - I meant “apologists for the guy in Iran”
Patrick, like usual, is throwing out some red herrring argument. I think most intelligent people know that an invasion of the US by Germany would be as likely possible as winning the lottery. Still it was on his mind - papers were found by OSS intelligence that showed Hitler made an offer to Mexico to give them the old Texas territory back if they helped conquer the US. But it doesn't matter what Hitler intended to do against the US. He was de facto at war with American interests already through the sinking of American merchant shipping and the insertion of German spies on US soil.
“That Hitler was a rabid anti-Semite is undeniable. “Mein Kampf” is saturated in anti-Semitism. The Nuremberg Laws confirm it. But for the six years before Britain declared war, there was no Holocaust, and for two years after the war began, there was no Holocaust.”
PJB is either really bloody stupid or a lying Jew hater. The oppression against the Jews began with the breaking of store windows and restiction of their civil rights. Those things happened 6 years before the invasion of Poland. PJB uses the same blood libel argument of those that suggest American Jewish boycott of German products in the 30s lead to the Holocaust. His logic amounts to Hitler thinking “Damn those Britis for declaring war…how do I get them back…I know, let's exterminate the Jews. That'll show ‘em”.
“The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.”
Gawd. No war no Holocaust? Everytime Hitler swallowed up some little nation, simply because he could, that was war. PJB really is a fraking idiot. Him and Scarborough belong together. Both are knuckle dragging bullshit spewing individuals that pretend every once in awhile to be conservatives.
Um, no. My great-aunt was murdered in a ditch outside of Rovno, Ukraine, in November 1941 along with about 17,500 other local Jews who were rounded up by the Nazis. I think that a month before Pearl Harbor, the Nazis felt pretty good about their chance for victory.
In the lead-up to WWI:
June 28, 1914: Archduke Ferdinand assassinated in Sarajevo.
July 5: Kaiser Wilhelm II promised German support for Austria against Serbia.
July 28: Austria declared war on Serbia.
July 29: Austria invaded Serbia. Russia began to mobilize armed forces.
August 1: Germany declared war on Russia.
August 2: Germany invaded Luxembourg.
August 3: Germany declared war on France, implemented Schlieffen Plan.
August 4: Germany declared war on Belgium and invaded, according to Schlieffen Plan for defeating France. This violated Germany's neutrality treaty with Belgium.
August 4: As a result, Britain declared war on Germany.
Imho, the argument that the German Kaiser did not want war is bogus, and has been disproved by serious historians.
Of course, the simplified time-line above does not show behind-the-scenes maneuvering. But it does clearly prove that:
a) Germany FIRST backed Austria's unprovoked declaration of war against Serbia.
b) Germany FIRST declared war on Russia, and then on France, then invaded both, plus violating Belgium's neutrality, while NONE had yet declared war on Germany.
So, imho, the argument that Germany was not responsible for WWI is pure political poppycock.
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