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Arctic sea ice melt 'even faster' (AGW BS Alert)
BBC News ^ | June 18, 2008 | Richard Black

Posted on 06/19/2008 12:59:25 PM PDT by PROCON

Arctic sea ice is melting even faster than last year, despite a cold winter.

Data from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) shows that the year began with ice covering a larger area than at the beginning of 2007.

But now it is down to levels seen last June, at the beginning of a summer that broke records for sea ice loss.

Scientists on the project say that much of the ice is so thin that it melts easily, and the Arctic may be ice-free in summer within five to 10 years.

I think we're going to beat last year's record, though I'd love to be wrong

"We had a bit more ice in the winter, although we were still way below the long-term average," said Julienne Stroeve from NSIDC in Boulder, Colorado

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: agw; climatechange; environment; globalwarming; theskyisfalling; wereallgonnadie
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1 posted on 06/19/2008 12:59:26 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: xcamel; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Been a busy enviro-whacko day Ping!


2 posted on 06/19/2008 1:01:07 PM PDT by PROCON (No more politics, I promise!)
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To: PROCON

maybe we could just pump the excess water into space with giant sump pumps! LOL!


3 posted on 06/19/2008 1:01:50 PM PDT by Kerretarded (Ownership, Individuality, Freedom, Responsibility - The Backbone of Conservatism - falconparty.com)
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To: PROCON
...the Arctic may be ice-free in summer within five to 10 years.

I hope so. It makes it much easier to hunt polar bear.

4 posted on 06/19/2008 1:02:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: PROCON
Data from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) ...

Our tax dollars put to good use.

5 posted on 06/19/2008 1:03:06 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: PROCON

http://www.history.com/minisites/iceroadtruckers

Hmmm, thats wierd because there was trucks driving on it not so long ago!


6 posted on 06/19/2008 1:03:11 PM PDT by Holicheese (Hillary deserves the CMoH for her time in Tuzla!)
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To: PROCON

“But now it is down to levels seen last June...”

OH NOOOOOOOO! What are we going to dooooooo? Were down to levels not seen since last June and we’re only in the month of ... oh .. . ah....June.


7 posted on 06/19/2008 1:03:19 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: PROCON
Julienne Stroeve from NSIDC in Boulder, Colorado

Perfect example of the Garbage In, Garbage Out problem in action.

8 posted on 06/19/2008 1:03:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: PROCON

Damned if the same thing didn’t happen in 960 AD, when the relatively ice-free, relatively calm waters of the north let the Vikings into North America.

It’s almost like there’s a connection between the Mediaeval warm period and the modern one. I just can’t put my finger on it.


9 posted on 06/19/2008 1:04:15 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Kerretarded
Plowing the artic ocean ice!
10 posted on 06/19/2008 1:04:52 PM PDT by Holicheese (Hillary deserves the CMoH for her time in Tuzla!)
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To: Kerretarded

No but we could drain it into the Quattara Depression and significantly improve the climate of North Africa.


11 posted on 06/19/2008 1:05:01 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: PROCON

“We had a bit more ice in the winter, although we were still way below the long-term average,”

Believe it or not when individual elements are compared to an average approxiamtely 1/2 will be below and 1/2 will be above the average.


12 posted on 06/19/2008 1:07:18 PM PDT by doubleaught (Once a king always a king but once a knight is enough!)
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To: agere_contra

Let me guess.... could the connection be...... THE SUN?


13 posted on 06/19/2008 1:07:33 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: PROCON

It the absolute Law of Melting Ice. The colder the weather, the faster the ice melts. The warmer the weather that faster the ice melts.

Because it’s always melting. Now send us your money.


14 posted on 06/19/2008 1:07:57 PM PDT by shineon
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To: 21twelve
OH NOOOOOOOO! What are we going to dooooooo? Were down to levels not seen since last June and we’re only in the month of ... oh .. . ah....June.

Yeah, and my GAWD, it's as warm this June as we haven't seen since ... last June.

15 posted on 06/19/2008 1:10:18 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PROCON

I wonder if that tourist icebreaker that got stuck in the ice is unstuck yet.


16 posted on 06/19/2008 1:11:30 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MNJohnnie
No but we could drain it into the Quattara Depression and significantly improve the climate of North Africa.

COOL!
17 posted on 06/19/2008 1:11:58 PM PDT by Kerretarded (Ownership, Individuality, Freedom, Responsibility - The Backbone of Conservatism - falconparty.com)
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To: PROCON
But now it is down to levels seen last June

Imagine that, with it being June and all right now.

18 posted on 06/19/2008 1:14:14 PM PDT by wbill
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To: PROCON
The universe is under constant change and we ain't making it happen. We find cities under cities, cities in the ocean...warmer and colder summers...volcano eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis....

Man's failing is that he tries to put EVERYTHING to mathematics....and it simply can't be done.

19 posted on 06/19/2008 1:15:31 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: PROCON

Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice Reaches “Unprecedented” Levels
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3066


20 posted on 06/19/2008 1:15:42 PM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: PROCON

No ice for the polar bears to sit on...They’re gonna drown


21 posted on 06/19/2008 1:15:42 PM PDT by dennisw (We have an idiocracy not a democracy)
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To: PROCON

“Julienne Stroeve from NSIDC in Boulder, Colo”

That right there totally discredits the report!


22 posted on 06/19/2008 1:20:04 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: PROCON

BUT LOOK SOUTH!!!

Meanwhile, the May 2008 Southern Hemisphere sea ice extent exceeded the 1979-2000 mean. This was the third greatest sea ice extent in May (7.4 percent above the 1979-2000 mean) over the 30-year historical period, behind 2000 and 1996. Sea ice extent for May has increased at a rate of 1.8 percent per decade.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/may/global.html#seaice


23 posted on 06/19/2008 1:20:04 PM PDT by Bulwinkle
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To: PROCON

The average global temperature, if there is such a thing, hasn’t increased in 10 years. It was a cold winter. But the ice is melting faster?

I think I need further explaination.


24 posted on 06/19/2008 1:24:05 PM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: PROCON

What a complete crock of BS. Take a look at the two satellite images for today compared to this date last year and visually you can see more melting last year at this time than now. Play with the dates and you can see the decrease of ice with time last year. Of course, the satellite info only goes back to 1979, but we know that there was little ice in summer in some earlier years. This isn’t a new occurrence.

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=06&fd=19&fy=2007&sm=06&sd=19&sy=2008


25 posted on 06/19/2008 1:25:31 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: PROCON

The Southern Sea ice is 1.5 milluion square kilometers larger now that it was in 1980.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg

I wrote the Dr. in Australia that claims we are in global warming and asked how come the South has larger ice that in many, many years and he said:

“Whenever you limit the context of your considerations in any way, your conclusions have to be wrong.
The only way to have any chance of correct conclusions is to admit the global picture for consideration.”


26 posted on 06/19/2008 1:28:46 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: PROCON; All

this is a bunch of hooey! We were driving the ice roads to Alpine and Oooguruk Island until the middle of MAY!!! the roads official closure date id the middle of April to day time traffic, and the end of April to any traffic. The bridges between Prudhoe Bay and Kuparuk never flooded, because the river never went out all at once, as it NORMALLY does. the river just kind of thawed out. There is still a huge amount of snowpack in the mountains, especially the Brooks Range. We shall see how quickly winter reclaims her territory this year...


27 posted on 06/19/2008 1:32:17 PM PDT by intenseracer (Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder)
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To: PROCON
Arctic sea ice is melting even faster than last year, despite a cold winter.

FANTASTIC! Will really make next years season 3 of Ice Road Truckers that much more exciting!

28 posted on 06/19/2008 1:37:28 PM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: YOUGOTIT

simple, move the polar bears who are starving at the north pole south, theres plenty of penguins to eat.


29 posted on 06/19/2008 1:41:14 PM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: PROCON
A real reporter would have used the following headline:
NORTHWEST PASSAGE TO OPEN SOON, REDUCING SHIPPING COSTS.
30 posted on 06/19/2008 1:55:25 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: PROCON

GW BS bump


31 posted on 06/19/2008 1:58:32 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Scientists on the project say that much of the ice is so thin that it melts easily, and the Arctic may be ice-free in summer within five to 10 years.”

I sure hope that’s true...all these drastic changes excite me. Just think of the great new things we might find...and the cool new places for vacations!!


32 posted on 06/19/2008 1:59:00 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now, or face the hangman.)
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To: PROCON

Now we can drill for oil there.


33 posted on 06/19/2008 1:59:12 PM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Gator113

One more thing and on this I am serious...Selling every single thing we have and buying a very large Yacht to live on is looking better all the time!


34 posted on 06/19/2008 2:01:28 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now, or face the hangman.)
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To: Bommer

THAT does it for me!!


35 posted on 06/19/2008 2:04:14 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now, or face the hangman.)
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To: agere_contra
It’s almost like there’s a connection between the Mediaeval warm period and the modern one. I just can’t put my finger on it.
Did cows fart back then too?
36 posted on 06/19/2008 2:11:46 PM PDT by jimmango
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To: PROCON

How high have sea levels risen and in what time frame? I have never seem any reference to data on that in any of these Glowbull Warming rants.


37 posted on 06/19/2008 2:14:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: PROCON
Ice melting in the summer time!....?...
Well DUUUUgh...
38 posted on 06/19/2008 2:20:37 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: PROCON

Spock: "The polar ice caps are melting."

Q: "Oh, dear. How will the polar bears make their martinis?"

39 posted on 06/19/2008 2:26:26 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: PROCON
Arctic sea ice is melting even faster than last year, despite a cold winter.

It's mid JUNE - We call that SUMMMER in the Northern Hemisphere.... Morons...

40 posted on 06/19/2008 2:46:45 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: PROCON

“though I’d love to be wrong”

liar.


41 posted on 06/19/2008 2:48:22 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: CedarDave

Do they have a similar site for Southern Hemisphere data?


42 posted on 06/19/2008 2:52:27 PM PDT by Laserman
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To: 21twelve
glub glub were DOOMED where are my swim mies
43 posted on 06/19/2008 3:06:39 PM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: Laserman
Do they have a similar site for Southern Hemisphere data?

Don't know.

44 posted on 06/19/2008 3:17:47 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Kerretarded

Send tanker ships up there and bring the water here to coastal Georgia.

Weren’t the Brits proposing to tow an iceberg down for their water needs a few years ago?


45 posted on 06/19/2008 3:30:47 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: PROCON

INTREP


46 posted on 06/19/2008 3:35:24 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Gator113
I sure hope that’s true...all these drastic changes excite me.

Hope. Change.

47 posted on 06/19/2008 3:57:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: PROCON; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; Normandy; Delacon; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

48 posted on 06/19/2008 4:30:15 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Jeff Chandler

You’re very good to have caught those two well placed words! ;>)


49 posted on 06/19/2008 4:32:21 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now, or face the hangman.)
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To: 21twelve

Well, last year was a record low year for summer arctic sea ice, so we’re on pace with that. I’ve been watching the MODIS RAPID RESPONSE page, so I’ve been wating to hear something like this. The Beaufort Sea, north of Alaska, has a very similar appearance to last year. In the summer of 2006 it was still covered with ice in August.


50 posted on 06/19/2008 4:37:08 PM PDT by dr_lew
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