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Study: Some Preschoolers Need Higher Quality Care
The Oakland Tribune via redorbit.com ^ | June 18, 2008

Posted on 06/19/2008 5:16:48 AM PDT by Amelia

....a new study released today by the independent, nonprofit research organization RAND Corp...Among its key findings, the study showed that the children who could especially benefit from preschool are the least likely to be in it, such as, Latinos, blacks, those whose parents have low education and those from economically disadvantaged families.

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Josue's mother, Esperanza Juarez, believes preschool has laid solid academic and social foundations for her son's future. "The teachers taught him manners, to wait his turn and to say 'thank you,'" she said. "This is a very good program. It will help him be more successful in his life."

(Excerpt) Read more at redorbit.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: education; preschool; school
Well, here's a problem...most people I know teach their children "manners, to wait their turn and to say 'thank you'" from the time those children are able to talk, rather than waiting until the children are 5 years old and beginning school, then expecting the schools to do it...
1 posted on 06/19/2008 5:16:48 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Gabz; SoftballMominVA; abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; A_perfect_lady; ...

Public Education Ping

This list is for intellectual discussion of articles and issues related to public education (including charter schools) from the preschool to university level. Items more appropriately placed on the “Naughty Teacher” list, “Another reason to Homeschool” list, or of a general public-school-bashing nature will not be pinged.

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2 posted on 06/19/2008 5:17:29 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
Another scheme to balloon government. Just say NO.
3 posted on 06/19/2008 5:20:32 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Amelia
You took the words right out of my mouth.

What the Sam Hill has Miss Clueless been doing for the last five years? Apparently, ignoring her kid and just 'hoping' (esperance) he'll somehow learn the stuff she isn't teaching him.

4 posted on 06/19/2008 5:21:46 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Amelia

I can’t understand people who just feed and cloth the kids and wait for the schools to teach abc’s and how to behave.

I was told by my kids’ school system that preschool was more to teach the children how to act in a classroom setting. Um, ok?


5 posted on 06/19/2008 5:24:51 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Amelia
Obviously the schools are not doing enough! What needs to happen is for parents to have the child, then contact the local agency and just give it up - of course still collecting the ADC and welfare payments - all while the child is raised by strangers because the parents DON'T CARE enough to do the very basics for the child they birthed!

Then 18 years later when the kid is a thug and entering jail, the problem is obviously the school's because they didn't do enough. Never-mind that schools are only in session 180 days of the year, never-mind that they are at the school 7 hours out of 24, never-mind that they parents let the kid run buck-wild from the very get go. Nope, it's the school's fault! 100%

Sarcasm off

6 posted on 06/19/2008 5:25:14 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Amelia
Maybe they should just expand the government, union controlled schools to start the day after birth.

That way they can receive quality care from the government propaganda and indoctrination centers that masquerade as “schools.”

7 posted on 06/19/2008 5:26:17 AM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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To: Amelia
Absolutely!

Carolyn

8 posted on 06/19/2008 5:26:44 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Amelia
those whose parents have low education and those from economically disadvantaged families.
I am just sooooooooo sick of these lame-@ss excuses I could scream.
9 posted on 06/19/2008 5:40:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: bill1952
Excellent idea - except the schools don't need to take the kids - the parents HAND THEM OVER untrained, uneducated, untamed and then complain when the results aren't to their liking

It's a sad day when the mom is the school and the dad is the government and the 'birth parents' are watching Jerry Springer and signing welfare checks as their 'job'

10 posted on 06/19/2008 5:44:46 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

I fear that the days of this republic are drawing to a close.

Thank you for your post. - bill


11 posted on 06/19/2008 5:47:57 AM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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To: bill1952
Schools in Georgia have been starting earlier and earlier - many will begin the first of August this year. Now our state school superintendent says schools should start later, and if they do, students will probably do better on the NCLB-mandated tests.

If you'll read the comments at the link above, you'll see that parents are complaining about the idea because that will mess up their daycare arrangements. For some parents, school is all about keeping the kids "off the streets".

(Other people said it's just an idea to give teachers longer vacations, disregarding the fact that we get paid for 190 days per year, no matter when those days are scheduled...)

12 posted on 06/19/2008 6:01:39 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

In other words, it is better to grow up in a functional home. You know some kids come to school not knowing the names of colors. They have been traipsing around after adults whose lives consist of going from place to place doing Heaven knows what at all hours and leaving their stuff all over the city, they get to school irregularly......it is a crime how insignificant these kids are to some of these “parents” except for obtang the check that goes along with the kid.


13 posted on 06/19/2008 6:01:58 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Southerngl; SoftballMominVA
I was just blown away by the mother's quote.

The sad thing is that many of these kids really are almost "feral" children, and have little or no exposure to proper behavior, discipline, or anything academic until they begin school. I don't think schools ought to be responsible for everything but it seems that if schools don't do it, no one will.

14 posted on 06/19/2008 6:04:16 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: SoftballMominVA

“It’s a sad day when the mom is the school and the dad is the government and the ‘birth parents’ are watching Jerry Springer and signing welfare checks as their ‘job’”

Well, where do you expect the Democratic Party to get their next generation? Not with kids who are raised with love, attention, logic and high expectations, surely.


15 posted on 06/19/2008 6:25:01 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Southerngl

In 1975 my son went to Kindergarten KNOWING his ABC’s (and I was a working Mom).....he came out NOT knowing much more.....I was told.....”Kindergarten is for socialization”.....little did I know at the time what THAT meant.


16 posted on 06/19/2008 7:29:39 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Obama will bring us......CommieLot)
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To: Amelia

Josue’s mother, Esperanza Juarez, believes preschool has laid solid academic and social foundations for her son’s future. “The teachers taught him manners, to wait his turn and to say ‘thank you,’” she said. “

And what the hell has she been doing this whole time????


17 posted on 06/19/2008 7:45:52 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: goodnesswins

When my daughter went to kindergarten, they did one color, a few letters, one number a week. Even Sesame Street does one number and one letter in an hour. All review for some children but some didn’t know.

Their parents had underestimated them and neglected teaching them, for all the children in the class came out reading, writing, and doing simple arithmetic.


18 posted on 06/19/2008 7:59:34 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Walkingfeather
And what the hell has she been doing this whole time????

You've gotta wonder, huh?

19 posted on 06/19/2008 8:05:52 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Southerngl

My daughter’s Pre-K had a “readiness review for Kindergarten”. The whole concept of Kindergarten was to get them ready for Grades 1-12. Because children had trouble going from stay at home to sit down first grade. Readiness review checklist included:
counting to 10 (daughter was to 100)
recognizing ABCs (ours could write them, too)
knew name, address, phone number (working on last 2)
could take turns (duh)
was toilet trained
could go to the bathroom by themselves
could dress themselves
could speak clearly and be understood
shapes
colors


20 posted on 06/19/2008 9:05:42 AM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: Amelia

I live in Georgia. I don’t want the state messing with my city schools. I want them to keep their noses out. When my children start school is NOT the state’s business. I LIKE the August start. My kids have a whole semester before Christmas and a whole one after Christmas. It makes sense not to interrupt the semester with a 2 week vacation.

Our schools are award-winning, excellent schools. The state will ruin them.

If they want to raise test scores, they should do more to get the illegals moving OUT of our state.


21 posted on 06/19/2008 10:13:54 AM PDT by Politicalmom (I've left the Grand Ol' Plantation. / GOP '08,- NO Soup for YOU!)
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To: Amelia

Actually, the daycare complaints at the link were in response to a year ‘round school suggestion.


22 posted on 06/19/2008 10:24:55 AM PDT by Politicalmom (I've left the Grand Ol' Plantation. / GOP '08,- NO Soup for YOU!)
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To: Amelia

Yes, we need more cash for the poor migrants who break into the US illegalls and have children. This is to abuse your so-called 14th Amendment so they qualify for programs their parent never contributed to...yes, yes, and please don’t forget to send some of your tax-free American dollars back home - Felipe Calderon


23 posted on 06/19/2008 10:32:28 AM PDT by wac3rd (LIBS GONE WILD)
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To: Politicalmom

I like having the first semester before Christmas and the 2nd semester after Christmas, too. It wouldn’t break my heart to give up the week in October and the week in Thanksgiving so we could start a little later, though.


24 posted on 06/19/2008 10:55:03 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

They have been messing with our schedule for a couple years.

We now have a week off at Thanksgiving, a week in Feb. and a week in early April. I prefer a half week at Thanksgiving and only one week in the Spring. We don’t get a week in October.


25 posted on 06/19/2008 11:11:32 AM PDT by Politicalmom (I've left the Grand Ol' Plantation. / GOP '08,- NO Soup for YOU!)
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To: Politicalmom

We get the two weeks in fall, and another week (not to mention days scattered here & there) in the spring, but not a lot of time at Christmas anymore.


26 posted on 06/19/2008 2:00:55 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

**Study: Some Preschoolers Need Higher Quality Care**

Absolutely. If I had been the inspector of child care centers (and yes, one did come around when I owned a child care center.) I would have closed down over half the pre-schools and child care centers.

No cuurriculum..........just play space.


27 posted on 06/19/2008 5:40:35 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Amelia
Josue's mother, Esperanza Juarez, believes preschool has laid solid academic and social foundations for her son's future. "The teachers taught him manners, to wait his turn and to say 'thank you,'" she said. "This is a very good program. It will help him be more successful in his life."

Like mom can't?

28 posted on 06/20/2008 6:54:14 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Amelia

29 posted on 06/20/2008 6:55:26 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Captured terrorists should have a right to choose. Eat the ham sandwich or a bullet in the head.)
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To: Amelia
"The teachers taught him manners, to wait his turn and to say 'thank you,'"

Excuse me "MOM"... that's your job. I can't believe anyone would be celebrating the fact someone else had to step up and do what they should have been doing since the day their own child was born. Unfathomable.

30 posted on 06/20/2008 6:58:23 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Like mom can't?

Apparently, there's a reason not to homeschool in that household... ;-)

31 posted on 06/20/2008 9:20:56 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Pre-pre-kindergarten is all the rage right now, get them in the system at three.


32 posted on 06/20/2008 9:23:46 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

That’s probably because of “parents” like the one quoted in this article, who apparently do very little actual parenting.


33 posted on 06/20/2008 9:36:18 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Parents are definately dropping the ball on raising children. Many now expect the school to do it for them, not only with manners- but with basics such as potty training. Pre-school and Kindergarten classrooms these days are well stocked with diapers, changes of clothes and most have a washer/dryer so they can do the laundry for the children that are not even potty trained.

Parents were expected to put a basic foundation on a child before they went to school. That foundation included manners, respect for adults/authority, and basics like potty training. Most parents also read to their children, taught them nursery rhymes and the alphabet, colors, numbers and other basic things as a foundation for the vital task of learning. Schools were expected to take the child with that basic foundation and educate them.

We are blaming the schools for not educating the children, but the schools are receiving many children that do not have a foundation to be ready to be educated. My grandson didn’t go to pre-school; yet he did have a solid foundation for learning before going to Kindergarten- his teacher was amazed as if it is rare for her to get a student that is actually prepared for school. My grandson excelled in Kindergarten without pre-school which is supposed to be very difficult these days.

We not only complain that schools are not educating our children, we also complain because the school wants to exert too much authority on their life- but if we aren’t teaching our children the fundamentals- then we are expecting the school to take on the task of raising the children as opposed to just educating them.


34 posted on 06/20/2008 9:40:35 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Tammy8
We are blaming the schools for not educating the children, but the schools are receiving many children that do not have a foundation to be ready to be educated. My grandson didn’t go to pre-school; yet he did have a solid foundation for learning before going to Kindergarten- his teacher was amazed as if it is rare for her to get a student that is actually prepared for school. My grandson excelled in Kindergarten without pre-school which is supposed to be very difficult these days.

Actually, the reason for preschool is these parents (very low income, undereducated themselves, inner cities, etc.) who do not give their children the foundation for school. The children start out behind and never catch up. Preschool is supposed to get them on a more-or-less equal footing with children who've received what most of us would consider normal parenting, but it's more likely to be used by children who really don't "need" it, putting them even further ahead of those who do need it.

We not only complain that schools are not educating our children, we also complain because the school wants to exert too much authority on their life- but if we aren’t teaching our children the fundamentals- then we are expecting the school to take on the task of raising the children as opposed to just educating them.

And many people do expect just that, but it doesn't stop their complaints when they don't like the way the school does it. :-)

35 posted on 06/20/2008 10:02:41 AM PDT by Amelia
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I did know that pre-school was set up for the “underprivileged” but the problem is that now this attitude of letting the school raise your child is seen everywhere- not only in inner city areas. I live in a rural ranching and farming community and yet our elementary school has diapers and washers and dryers for pre-K and K classrooms. My grandson went to Kindergarten in a middle-class/upper middle class neighborhood in El Paso, many of his classmates were not prepared for school by their parents. My middle daughter is working toward her elementary ed. license and she has been told by countless teachers to stay away from early childhood if she doesn't want to be a nanny instead of a teacher. It is very sad and I do not know what could possibly change the trend among younger parents.
36 posted on 06/20/2008 10:41:16 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Tammy8
It is very sad and I do not know what could possibly change the trend among younger parents.

One would think that parental education campaigns, similar to those telling pregnant women not to consume alcohol or caffeine, and to have their babies sleep on their backs (or stomachs, whichever the current "wisdom" might be), could be effective, but I don't really know either.

37 posted on 06/20/2008 12:39:28 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

It’s not for everyone. Certainly a mother who has so little control over her 3 year old that she cannot teach him basic manners is not in a position to teach him anything else of value.


38 posted on 06/20/2008 1:43:15 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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