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General Antonia Taguba who probed Abu Ghraib says Bush officials committed war crimes
mcclatchydc.com ^ | June 18th, 2008 | Warren P. Strobel

Posted on 06/18/2008 5:49:31 PM PDT by The_Republican

WASHINGTON — The Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison accused the Bush administration Wednesday of committing "war crimes" and called for those responsible to be held to account.

The remarks by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who's now retired, came in a new report that found that U.S. personnel tortured and abused detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, using beatings, electrical shocks, sexual humiliation and other cruel practices.

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Taguba wrote. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

Taguba, whose 2004 investigation documented chilling abuses at Abu Ghraib, is thought to be the most senior official to have accused the administration of war crimes. "The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," he wrote.

A White House spokeswoman, Kate Starr, had no comment.

Taguba didn't respond to a request for further comment relayed via a spokesman.

The group Physicians for Human Rights, which compiled the new report, described it as the most in-depth medical and psychological examination of former detainees to date.

Doctors and mental health experts examined 11 detainees held for long periods in the prison system that President Bush established after the 9-11 terrorist attacks. All of them eventually were released without charges.

The doctors and experts determined that the men had been subject to cruelties that ranged from isolation, sleep deprivation and hooding to electric shocks, beating and, in one case, being forced to drink urine.

Bush has said repeatedly that the United States doesn't condone torture.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib; antoniataguba; warcrimes
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1 posted on 06/18/2008 5:49:35 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

Taguba can shove a tuba up his rear end.


2 posted on 06/18/2008 5:50:48 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: The_Republican
Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba

But, of course, General Taguba may be somewhat biased.

(Remember when, under the Clinton regime, we had a guy named Togo who was Secretary of the Army?)

3 posted on 06/18/2008 5:52:43 PM PDT by CWWren (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress....but I repeat myself.)
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To: pissant

Calling the ghost of General George S. Patton: Slap this idiot.


4 posted on 06/18/2008 5:52:51 PM PDT by unkus
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To: pissant

My local paper is using the McClatchy report for a series of moronic articles meant to promote sympathy for Islamists.


5 posted on 06/18/2008 5:53:47 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: unkus

Patton would have had him shot.


6 posted on 06/18/2008 5:54:16 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: The_Republican
The only war crime that the Bush administration is guilty of is letting even one of these detainees live.
7 posted on 06/18/2008 5:54:33 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: The_Republican

Gen. Booboo, I am safe thanks to the men and women who guard our country. Too bad a few eggs had to be broken to make the omolette.


8 posted on 06/18/2008 5:56:35 PM PDT by healy61
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To: pissant

Patton would have had him shot.


You’re right. Or just shot him himself.


9 posted on 06/18/2008 5:57:51 PM PDT by unkus
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To: The_Republican
He's retired, his opinion is no better than anyone else's...


10 posted on 06/18/2008 5:59:20 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: The_Republican

Well I wonder is Bush has any regrets about coming to Washinton and setting the new tone.

He reached across the ailse and abandoned conservatives and what good has it served him? Nada, zip, nothing.

His socialist pals still hate him.

Well if they investigate he can resign just after pardoning everyone and Cheany can then pardon him.


11 posted on 06/18/2008 5:59:30 PM PDT by stockpirate (McCain used the d word, drill for oil. If we hammer this issue we can win and take the Congress)
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To: The_Republican

Someone needs to post that “Not this s##t again” picture.

I am so sick of hearing about Abu-Grabass.


12 posted on 06/18/2008 6:01:40 PM PDT by Levante
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To: The_Republican

Another Clinton era traitor-turd floats to the top of the punch bowl.


13 posted on 06/18/2008 6:02:12 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: The_Republican
It would be nice if we had a real media who thought their job was to inform their readers, then they might ask for some evidence that Bush or high ranking officials authorized torture instead of unquestioningly reporting the allegations, but then facts and truth are irrelevant to the propaganda wing of the DNC.
14 posted on 06/18/2008 6:04:28 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: The_Republican

2/25/2008
The Clinton Campaign Today Proudly Announced the Endorsement of Army Major General Antonio M. Taguba (ret.).
In announcing his endorsement today, General Taguba said, “Senator Clinton’s unequivocal opposition to the use of torture under any circumstances, and her willingness to take a stand for what she believes in is exactly the sort of courage and moral strength that we need in our leaders. I know that, as President, Senator Clinton will hold America to the high moral standards that have made us a leader among nations.”


16 posted on 06/18/2008 6:06:20 PM PDT by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: The_Republican

Doctors and mental health experts examined 11 detainees held for long periods in the prison system that President Bush established after the 9-11 terrorist attacks. All of them eventually were released without charges.

The doctors and experts determined that the men had been subject to cruelties that ranged from isolation, sleep deprivation and hooding to electric shocks, beating and, in one case, being forced to drink urine.

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Wow! Somebody find these doctors and experts. Their extraordinary talents could be used to cure so many diseases and disorders since they are even able to determine unequivocally that prisoners were subjected to this list of mistreatments even though these physicians examined the patients after their release.

Perhaps this retired military guy is angling of SecDef under Obama.


17 posted on 06/18/2008 6:15:37 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: Bigg Red

angling of = angling for


18 posted on 06/18/2008 6:17:20 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: The_Republican
The doctors and experts determined that the men had been subject to cruelties that ranged from isolation, sleep deprivation and hooding to electric shocks, beating and, in one case, being forced to drink urine.

Look, it might be true, but it's not like a doctor determines that a guy had sleep deprivation or was forced to drink urine. That is simply the testimony of the former inmates, as stated to the doctors.

19 posted on 06/18/2008 6:25:28 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: The_Republican
General Antonia Taguba who probed Abu Ghraib says Bush officials committed war crimes

Translation: "Mr Obammunist, I want a cabinet appointment!"

20 posted on 06/18/2008 6:30:10 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: The_Republican

What is going on is obviously a coordinated propaganda campaign.

They tried the deomization of the military last time around and the criminalization of the Bush administration for trying to fight this thing we face. Here they come again.


21 posted on 06/18/2008 6:30:19 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: The_Republican

We are plagued with the generals who survived the Clinton purges and have not yet retired.We still have the damaging remnants of the Clinton military. Think what would be left after 4 years of CinC Hussein.


22 posted on 06/18/2008 6:46:52 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: pissant
The remarks by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba

So, I assume he's got a book coming out soon?

23 posted on 06/18/2008 6:49:47 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: The_Republican

Meaningless mewings from a “political” General who is a Clinton boot-licker.

That said, even if what this suck-up says is true, I DON’T CARE. These scum were non-uniformed combatants and thus have no protection or status under international law beyond that of “spy” or “terrorist.” THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS to life or anything else and could have been (rather should have been) shot in the head upon capture, with restraint shown only because they might have intel value.


24 posted on 06/18/2008 6:53:19 PM PDT by piytar
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To: The_Republican

I thought this study was done by a left wing group, and that it was based on only a tiny sample of prisoners.


25 posted on 06/18/2008 6:53:19 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: The_Republican

26 posted on 06/18/2008 7:03:25 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: The_Republican

If he feels so badly, he should do he right thing and kill himself.


27 posted on 06/18/2008 7:05:27 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Bigg Red
The physicians' group said that its experts, who had experience studying torture's effects, spent two days with each former captive and conducted intensive exams and interviews. They administered tests to detect exaggeration. In two of the 11 cases, the group was able to review medical records.

Ah, but you disregard their incredibly detailed methodology. :)

28 posted on 06/18/2008 7:05:55 PM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: The_Republican

Just another foreigner.


29 posted on 06/18/2008 7:07:42 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: The_Republican

The pajama muhadeen needs to look into this Physicians for Human Rights group.

Here is another of their anti American, anti US military pronouncements. Based in Massachusetts - surprise, surprise.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2032747/posts


30 posted on 06/18/2008 7:09:33 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Levante

31 posted on 06/18/2008 7:10:09 PM PDT by airborne (Obama vs. McCain - A nose dive or a slow spiral. Either way, we're destined to crash and burn!)
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To: airborne

Thank you, Airborne!!!


32 posted on 06/18/2008 7:11:12 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Barry Osamma secretary of war!

33 posted on 06/18/2008 7:30:45 PM PDT by jaz.357 (the best in a war, very dangerous otherwise.)
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To: The_Republican

So? Only terrorists and suspected terrorists were tortured. Big deal. I am glad Bush had the courage to authorize force on terrorists.


34 posted on 06/18/2008 8:33:16 PM PDT by YukonAK
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To: clee1
My old 1st Sargent said some of the sorriest excuses for human beings he ever knew crapped between a pair of combat boots.When I knew him he was on his 3rd tour in the RVN.Plus WW2 and Korea.
35 posted on 06/18/2008 8:33:17 PM PDT by roofer13
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To: CWWren
"(Remember when, under the Clinton regime, we had a guy named Togo who was Secretary of the Army?)"

What does Togo West have to do with Taguba?

36 posted on 06/19/2008 2:39:05 AM PDT by Mila
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What does Togo West have to do with Taguba?

Gee. What could I have been thinking? It must be that both names begin with 'T' and both men had something to do with furthering a Democrat agenda: one while working for the Clinton Duo and the other a Democrat mole awaiting the opportunity that was handed him by a feckless Republican administration to chop away at their credibility.

Additionally, being an American born and raised, I find it incongruous to have had a secretary of the army whose first name is Togo.

37 posted on 06/19/2008 5:23:03 AM PDT by CWWren (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress....but I repeat myself.)
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To: Levante
*** Someone needs to post that “Not this s##t again” picture. ****

10-4


38 posted on 06/19/2008 6:32:56 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: The_Republican
General who probed Abu Ghraib says Bush officials committed war crimes

Taguba, whose 2004 investigation documented chilling abuses at Abu Ghraib, is thought to be the most senior official to have accused the administration of war crimes. "The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," he wrote.

This is complete bull.

I read his entire 53 Page Investigation Report and NOWHERE are any "Bush officials" even mentioned. The entire report pertains only to military personnel in the chain of command or civilian contractors (interrogators) who where at or involved with Abu Ghraib during the (cough) abuse scandal.

So if he's spouting off now, I say he's looking for a job in a Obama administration. Oh, almost forgot a minor point: nowhere in his 53 page report are the words "War Crime" even mentioned.

39 posted on 06/19/2008 7:34:48 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: sig226

Ah, but you disregard their incredibly detailed methodology. :)

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Yes, you are right. How careless of me to overlook the time honored exaggeration tests.


40 posted on 06/19/2008 7:39:01 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: The_Republican

http://brokenlives.info/?page_id=23


41 posted on 06/19/2008 7:40:40 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: The_Republican

Someone like this who displays such a piss poor understanding of what’s at stake here and why we do what we do (which doesn’t go far enough) is a disgrace to the uniform and should not be called a General.


42 posted on 06/19/2008 7:42:57 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (This tagline is completely naked - STOP STARING!)
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To: CWWren

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo_D._West,_Jr.

Togo West was American born and raised just like you.


43 posted on 06/19/2008 7:47:14 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: CodeToad

Taguba is an American citizen.


44 posted on 06/19/2008 7:50:31 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: Condor51; The_Republican
Verified as B.S. I just scanned the report and searched it for that phrase and key parts of it.

Taguba laid the blame squarely at the feet of Brigadier General Karpinski and elements of the 800th MP Brigade. This guy is job or book deal hunting.

45 posted on 06/19/2008 8:26:53 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (This line intentionally left blank)
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*** Taguba laid the blame squarely at the feet of Brigadier General Karpinski and elements of the 800th MP Brigade. ***

Yep, that's what he did.

46 posted on 06/19/2008 8:33:14 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: The_Republican
The doctors and experts determined that the men had been subject to cruelties that ranged from isolation, sleep deprivation and hooding to electric shocks, beating and, in one case, being forced to drink urine.

So it was like riding the "L" in Chicago?

47 posted on 06/19/2008 8:35:11 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: kristinn

He may have been American born, but he wasn’t raised just like me.


48 posted on 06/19/2008 9:49:17 AM PDT by CWWren (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress....but I repeat myself.)
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To: The_Republican

How do people like that get to be generals?


49 posted on 06/19/2008 10:18:22 AM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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To: chesley

Same way people like Klintons get to be Co-Presidents.


50 posted on 06/19/2008 10:24:30 AM PDT by The_Republican (Conservatives are in trouble because they hate Scarlett Johanson.)
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