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Court overrules father's grounding of girl
UPI.com ^ | 18 Jun 08

Posted on 06/18/2008 6:08:31 AM PDT by xzins

MONTREAL, June 18 (UPI) -- An appeal will be filed in a Montreal court after a Quebec judge overruled a father who grounded his 12-year-old daughter for dangerous Internet use.

The lawyer for the father, who can't be identified to protect the girl, told The Gazette newspaper that Justice Suzanne Tessier overstepped the court's bounds last Friday when she ruled in favor of the girl's legal challenge and said she would be allowed to go on a school trip her father had forbidden because of misbehavior.

"I don't think this tribunal was the proper forum for a decision like this one," lawyer Kim Beaudoin said. "If we don't learn at the age of 12 there are rules to follow, when do we?"

He said he was preparing an appeal based on the fact the judge acknowledged the girl's repeated defiance of her father's house rules.

They included bypassing security settings to block Web sites the father didn't trust, then using a friend's computer to access those sites. Beaudoin said the girl also posted online photos of herself "inappropriate for a child her age," the report said.


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; court; doasthouwill; nannystate; parentalrights; parents; ridiculous
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1 posted on 06/18/2008 6:08:31 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

Nanny state! Nanny state!


2 posted on 06/18/2008 6:10:05 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: xzins

I wonder what the outcome would’ve been had “Dad” just thrown the d@mn computer out the window? LOL!


3 posted on 06/18/2008 6:10:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: xzins

Where’s mom


4 posted on 06/18/2008 6:11:30 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: xzins

W
T
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A father has the right to set the rules of acceptable computer use. End of story. Case dismissed.


5 posted on 06/18/2008 6:12:50 AM PDT by WarToad
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To: yldstrk

She must’ve been at work at Hooters


6 posted on 06/18/2008 6:13:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: xzins

Dictatorial tyrants wearing black robes seems to be an international issue...


7 posted on 06/18/2008 6:13:33 AM PDT by rottndog (Globull Warming "Science" = garbage in, gospel out.)
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To: xzins

Good lord. Not only would I tell the court to cram it up their @#$, I’d also be re-educating my daughter in the many uses of leather and seeing just how high the computer could fly.


8 posted on 06/18/2008 6:14:22 AM PDT by TheZMan (Bitter backwoods east Texan Christian gun clinger with the AC at 72 degrees.)
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To: TheZMan

Something left unsaid is how this judge intended to monitor this.....

A cop in the house? A social worker?


9 posted on 06/18/2008 6:16:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Things that make you go hmm. Bypassing web blockers to post pictures


10 posted on 06/18/2008 6:16:14 AM PDT by SShultz460 (If peace is the answer; it must be a stupid question.)
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To: xzins

The line between reality and satire is gone.


12 posted on 06/18/2008 6:16:28 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: WarToad

You are presuming the child is somehow the responsibility of the parent, and not the state?

/s


13 posted on 06/18/2008 6:17:10 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: xzins

Canada once again is providing Previews of Coming Attractions for the United States.

If you don’t think we will see a similar story coming out of a US court within the next ten years, you’re dreaming.


14 posted on 06/18/2008 6:17:29 AM PDT by gridlock ( If Obama becomes "suddenly" radioactive, the Supers will have Strange New Respect the Popular Vote.)
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To: xzins

Thw courts are truly out of control. They perform their normal functions but get involved in this.


15 posted on 06/18/2008 6:18:17 AM PDT by detective
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To: xzins

Wait a minute... How does a dispute between a father and his daughter MAKE it to a court???

If the father had anything to do with allowing it to get that far, he needs to swallow the courts’ judgement.

I don’t think that even in Canada, the court system monitors homes to settle disputes.


16 posted on 06/18/2008 6:19:00 AM PDT by J40000
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To: chopperman

It takes a village ay?


17 posted on 06/18/2008 6:19:15 AM PDT by CDFingers (EALM: Ethnic Americans Living in Massachusetts)
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To: coloradan

I wonder what the school trip was about. The judge seemed very keen that the daughter go on the trip. Could it be some mandatory multi-culti re-education thing?


18 posted on 06/18/2008 6:20:21 AM PDT by gridlock ( If Obama becomes "suddenly" radioactive, the Supers will have Strange New Respect the Popular Vote.)
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To: J40000

Since the mother isn’t mentioned in the article, I’m betting it’s a split family, and that the mom, in some kind of passive/aggressive strike at her ex, has assisted the girl in this excursion into court.

Just a guess. Who really knows?


19 posted on 06/18/2008 6:20:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
the girl also posted online photos of herself "nappropriate for a child her age"

I guess that's considered a human right in Canada, worthy of a court's attention.
20 posted on 06/18/2008 6:22:12 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
"...the girl also posted online photos of herself "nappropriate for a child her age..."

She was only emulating Miley Cyrus.

21 posted on 06/18/2008 6:24:35 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: xzins

Tyranny.


22 posted on 06/18/2008 6:25:48 AM PDT by Tolkien (Another day, another 1.603 million miles around the sun.)
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To: xzins
Now judges are running families. Where does it end?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 06/18/2008 6:26:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: coloradan

If you discipline your child, you are accused of abuse...
If you don’t discipline your child, you are accused of neglect...

I long for the 50’s and early 60’s......


24 posted on 06/18/2008 6:27:29 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: J40000

Not exactly hard for a kid to ring the Canadian version of the ACLU or otherwise find a sympathetic lawyer with egging on from schoolmates horrified by her father’s ‘barbarism’ - from the article, I somehow doubt that the father would have aided in any way.

She’ll be a sea lawyer - smart enough to cause trouble and ‘know her rights’ yet without a dollop of common sense to accompany it.


25 posted on 06/18/2008 6:28:32 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: goldstategop

Judges are the wild card.

It ends when lifetime tenure ends. No one is worthy of that kind of power.

Power corrupts.


26 posted on 06/18/2008 6:30:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Boonie

Parents are held legally responsible for the conduct of their children, but are legally denied disciplinary methods with which to guide that conduct. So, the system is broken. One of these days a school shooting or similar will be perpetrated by someone whose parents were warned or denied by the courts to discipline said child. All the parents could do under those circumstances is say, we were trying to guide our child to the path of goodness, but you stopped us and now look what has happened.


27 posted on 06/18/2008 6:31:29 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

She used a friend’s computer to access those sites.


28 posted on 06/18/2008 6:32:12 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: xzins
Talk about a sick set of circumstances.

The father should hand the rebellious girl over to the Judge and let her raise her, with all the legalities. But he will not do that because the father loves his daughter and knows that would be the absolute worst thing for her.

Candada has gone wholly amuk.

29 posted on 06/18/2008 6:32:44 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: J40000

Tell me about it. Arguements I had with my Dad lasted about 60 seconds and ended with me splitting logs at the woodpile for 2-3 hours.


30 posted on 06/18/2008 6:33:42 AM PDT by WarToad
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To: chopperman

Not only that, the court overruled the father’s sound decision to keep his daughter from posting inappropriate pictures of herself. This wild child will be into drugs and sex within a year if she isn’t already.


31 posted on 06/18/2008 6:35:36 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: WarToad

If dad cannot control the use of the Computer, then he is prohibited from controlling the use of the television and telephone as well.


32 posted on 06/18/2008 6:36:49 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: WarToad

This is my “line in the sand” where I pick up arms and go 1776 on their asses.

No gov’t is going to get in the way of the training of my children.


33 posted on 06/18/2008 6:37:49 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Jeff Head

Apparently, the school trip was something the father COULD prevent his daughter from attending, and it was something she wanted to do. In other words, he was taking something desired because she violated absolutely reasonable and healthy rules.

And for his trouble, the judge makes him to be the bad guy.

No hitting, abusing, torturing, cussing, etc.

A simple grounding.

Soon we’ll hear of toddler Moms hauled into court for imposing 3 minute timeouts.


34 posted on 06/18/2008 6:40:01 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Gabz

canadian nanny state ping


35 posted on 06/18/2008 6:45:36 AM PDT by tioga
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To: coloradan

Sadly so true...It’s a shame...


36 posted on 06/18/2008 6:46:58 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: chopperman

I strongly agree.

However, the father undoubtedly

undoubtedly failed . . .

the girl has an attachment disorder contributed wholesale to, if not wholesale caused by the father not bonding sufficiently strongly with her the first 6 or so years of life.

The time to solve teen problems, is the first 6-8 years of life by significant emotional attachment and lavish amounts of healthy affection and attention day in and day out—by DADDY.


37 posted on 06/18/2008 6:47:07 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: dcam

OMG...


38 posted on 06/18/2008 6:54:12 AM PDT by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: SShultz460; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...


39 posted on 06/18/2008 6:55:06 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: Rebelbase
"The line between reality and satire is gone."

I looked to see if the link was daily redundancy or another satire site, I am shocked that this is real.

How did this get into court in the first place? O' Canada, WTF????

40 posted on 06/18/2008 6:56:25 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Some days it is not worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: xzins

What do you expect... It’s Canada... already a bunch of liberal socialists... That’s where the US is headed under Hussein or McCain...


41 posted on 06/18/2008 7:00:00 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: WarToad
War Toad, you had arguments with your DAD! If I even had the thought of arguing with my dad, I would have gotten a good whippin’. That would have been like trying to argue with God Himself.
42 posted on 06/18/2008 7:00:07 AM PDT by OldBullrider (if yur hurt, rub some dirt on it, and get back to work)
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To: xzins

Have they all lost there minds up there????


43 posted on 06/18/2008 7:01:12 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: xzins

Have they all lost their minds up there????


44 posted on 06/18/2008 7:01:17 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: xzins

This sounds really over the top. It’s Canada, so any nuttiness is possible in court, but I’m wondering if this is some kind of family court thing with the parents split on discipline of the children.

We’ve had cases here like that.


45 posted on 06/18/2008 7:04:06 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: OldBullrider

Hahahaha. Yea. I was either a slow learner or inherited a good serving of bull-headedness. I had some pretty good tricepts on me going into High School thanks to that woodpile and not learning to pick my battles.


46 posted on 06/18/2008 7:04:34 AM PDT by WarToad
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To: WarToad

tricepts enforce precepts


47 posted on 06/18/2008 7:06:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

“It takes the State to raise a child.” Hussein-the-Insane Obama


48 posted on 06/18/2008 7:07:30 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: OldBullrider
If I even had the thought of arguing with my dad, I would have gotten a good whippin’. That would have been like trying to argue with God Himself.

This statement is exactly what should be in all families. A child who shows rebellion to the authority of a parent IS in rebellion to God, who delegates the authority of training children to the parents. And, yes, "chastisement with a rod" is the Biblical method of driving this rebellion and "foolishness far from him".

Say a prayer of thanks for a dad like that.

49 posted on 06/18/2008 7:08:48 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Boonie

I long for the 50’s and early 60’s......

So do I. Mind you, they had their share of problems back then and it was by no means perfect, but society in general was a LOT more rational and stable then than it is now.


50 posted on 06/18/2008 7:09:01 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (This tagline is completely naked - STOP STARING!)
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