Posted on 06/14/2008 4:28:44 PM PDT by americanophile
Like Davey Crocket and company at the Alamo, there are a number of steadfast conservatives who are holding out against John McCain, even in the face of what amounts to unvarnished socialism in the person of Barack Obama. Most of these individuals are committed, principled, conservatives, which means their allegiance to the Republican Party depends on the frequency and degree with which the Republican Party faithfully, fully, resolutely and competently fosters conservative ideals of governance.
Quite simply, John McCain isn’t their man. Far more the maverick, compromising, bipartisan, sometimes-conservative, McCain has repeatedly raised the ire of conservatives not for his lack of principle, but for positions that stand in opposition to their principles. It is an honest, straightforward disagreement about policy and governance, the true nature of conservatism, and what is best for America.
There can be no doubt that these conservatives love their country, perhaps more than many. Oddly enough however, some of these conservatives have adopted a scorched-America, Phoenix policy. That is to say, they would rather sit home on Election Day, write in a non-competitive candidate, or even vote for Barack Obama, over John McCain. Their strategy, or so they hope, is to so damage America through four years of unchecked liberalism under an Obama Administration and Democratic congress, that like the mythical Phoenix, true conservatism will spring from the ashes such as in 1980.
It’s not an incoherent position, but it’s not a wise one either.
First off, there are a number of logical inconsistencies with this concept, and one large assumption. The first is the notion that an Obama presidency will necessarily be a disaster. What if its not? What if, like Bill Clinton’s presidency, Obama’s first two shaky years in office are met with a GOP midterm victory,
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Remember when he was down and out? No money no primary wins, then BINGO he's our candidate?
Do you remember???????
Someone lost their alleged mind. THEN sat down to write that headline.
Note to self: File under "sick humor," and "unadulterated bullhockey."
“even in the face of what amounts to unvarnished socialism in the person of Barack Obama.”
So McCain is what, “varnished” socialism?
Yep...lots of rat crossovers! Blame it on them and the RINO a$$hats! Kinda like a snowball rolling down hill....into the sewer.
“The first is the notion that an Obama presidency will necessarily be a disaster. What if its not?”
Then good for America. We are not Democrats, hoping for disaster for our nation in order to attain political power. The 90’s were very good to many conservatives financially, even if they disliked the POTUS, lots of people made lots of money.
“To allow socialism to gain a legitimate foothold in this country is frightening.”
John McCain is a Socialist.
Yet another steaming pantload of propaganda for the Socialist McCain.
Will take all of my restraint to hold back that oh-so-tempting of phrases..."I TOLD YOU SO" :-)
Nope. We are, apparently, CONSERVATIVES hoping for disaster (by way of ensuring BO the office of POTUS) to regain lost political power...
That's one one-way-trip I am NOT taking with the "anti-McCain-at-all-costs" crowd...
McCain is a kook and a betrayer.
John McCain has been spending at least a decade working as hard as he can to make himself the enemy of conservatives. Pretending that he is somehow entitled to their votes, browbeating, or using scare tactics isn’t going to get many votes. He threw conservatives under the bus long ago, it is appalling that he thinks that he should or could get their votes now.
And Obomber is the Great Communicator? The second coming of Reagan?
Electing (whether by NOT voting, voting 3rd party, or DIRECT nomination) a man who is as vile a human being as BO, JUST to "punish" republicans is patently absurd...it's like loosing a pit bull on a kid, hoping that it will maim the kid within an inch of his life, JUST to punish his parents for not watching him more closely...
I am no longer a conservative if McLame is supposed to be my choice.
Geesh, makes me ill when I see this stuff.
McLoser is a flaming Liberal! Keep drinking the koolaid.
Bingo. Stupid energy and immigration policies will give the WH to BO (or maybe the krintons still have a round or two left?).
how can he be a conservative,
or even a man of common sense
if he rejects drilling in anwr.
Are you suggesting Osama will give us the desired energy and immigration policies?
No.
I am stating that McCain’s stupid policies will alienate enough of the conservative base that BO’s coalition will carry the day. There is NO percentage in playing to the left in any realm. McCain is pulling into his last station and just may kill the nation he once so honorably served.
Both men will likely be unmittigated disasters for this nation. In the end does it really matter who destroys us?
I work with a guy who is one of these “conservatives” that you speak of and the more I speak to him about this, the more I realize that he is not the person that I thought he was. I hate to look down on someone but I cannot look at this individual in the same light anymore. I no longer entertain his diatribes about the same tired old BS about McCain because he is a lost cause.
Sad, isn't it?
>>”...NOT voting, voting 3rd party, or DIRECT nomination) a man who is as vile a human being as BO, JUST to “punish” republicans is patently absurd...”<<
If not now...when? The next election? The next? No, the RINO Juan McCain will not get my vote. At least Obama comes right out and says he’s a Socialist and a Liberal. McCain tries to hide it as he claims “I’m a Republican”.
Sorry, Juan, looks like both you and America will lose this one. And it won’t be because of Conservatives who are tired of being taken for granted stayed home or voted third party, so don’t flame me with that tired and cliche’d argument.
This election will not be about the troops, the war on “terror” or the war in Iraq. It will be about domestic issues. There is not a dimes worth of difference between the two socialists on domestic issues. Is Obama worse? Possibly but tell me how one can be “not as bad” a socialist as the other guy. That is like being “a little bit” pregnant.
“If not now...when? The next election? The next?”
Exactly. These party first people always tell you, “wait until the next election,” show your disgust then. Of course that admonishment holds until the following election cycle when they have to drag it out and dust it off again, because “our socialist doesn’t suck as bad as theirs.”
Once again, THIS ELECTION IS NOT GOING TO BE DECIDED ON SECURITY ISSUES.
Gas Prices, Oil Prices, Economy and Jobs are going to be the top issues for voting Americans this year. Believe it or not, not everyone views politics through the prism of the war in Iraq.
“So, if you had to choose the Commander and Chief, you are saying that in your experience that there would be little difference between BO and John McCain?”
The Presidency is about far more than just the C in C. It just is. Maybe you are military, if so God bless you. Most of America ISN’T. Trust me when I say this; this election will go to the first man to adamantly push for drilling in the U.S. Energy, economy, not war is going to be the deciding factor.
McCain’s no prize, and he’s not a conservative. But he’s not a socialist. He’s a moderate.
Obama, OTOH, is a Marxist, and anyone who willfully allows a Marxist to become commander in chief is no conservative. I can remember when conservatives believed that Marxists and what Lenin called their “useful idiots” were traitors.
How times have chnaged...
“McCain’s no prize, and he’s not a conservative. But he’s not a socialist.”
God it has to absolutely SUCK to have to defend that POS when he keeps doing this s**t to ya;
“I am very angry, frankly, at the oil companies,” said the presumptive GOP presidential nominee. “Not only because of the obscene profits they’ve made, but their failure to invest in alternative energy to help us eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.”
McCain also wants a “thorough and complete investigation of [oil] speculators.”
Have a nice evening.
He needs to understand its by the skin of his lieing teeth and not by overwhelming support of conservatives.
The Presidency is about far more than drilling for oil as well. The last time I checked, Commander and Chief was still a very intrigual part of the job description for President of the free world. As a side note, I haven’t noticed Obama pushing for drilling in the Prudhoe Bay for the matter. You still have not answered my question and I take your silence as consent that you would have no issue with Obama as Commander in Chief.
“You still have not answered my question”
“The Presidency is about far more than just the C in C.”
Mcnutts hates conservatives or didnt you know that?We dont have any use for him either.Y’all enjoy.
You know,If mcnutts was a conservative this wouldnt be a problem now would it.Maybe you should write a letter to the rnc complaining about there not being a conservative in the race.We dont vote for liberals regardless of party.Besides mcnutts should win with all the hilly and indy votes right?
I suppose the "scorched earth" policy appeals to you then? If you honestly believe that John McCain is as vile a candidate as Obama, then we, sir, are diametrically opposed on this point...
All I can say is that I pray to God you "anti-McCain-at-all-costs" folks are right...
EnigmaticAnomaly: You just had to do it, didn't you?
What is it about liberals (and McCain supporters) that you just can't get them to answer a straight question?
I'll try again. Which election do we take a stand? This one or the next, or the next?
When the GOP offers up a good Conservative with American freedom their main goal then I'll back them to the hilt. Until then, forget about it.
We Conservatives have been backed into a corner yet again and when we squawk about it we're accused of taking the “scorched earth” policy as our only choice. McCain threw his base under the bus and he and the U.S. will pay for it. I only hope it is temporary and Osambabama won't do too much damage if elected. Perhaps the GOP will wise up and remember the good old days when being a Republican meant that you didn't side with Dems, as McCain has done so often.
You vote for him and please do pray for us idiots that won't compromise our ethics and morals just to be part of the club (GOP).
Good night all.........panax
“Conservatives love their country, and all true conservatives should make a commitment to doing what is right for America at every instance. Each vote is a choice made in time: a selection between two imperfect options for America’s immediate future. A vote is not a scheme for future political advantage” ....
” For the true conservative, such reflection can only lead to one conclusion. At this moment, in this election, for America’s sake, the conservative choice is John McCain.”
At this point in time it is right to just protect the country. Allowing a democrat to become president is not doing that. Not voting out of principle is actually voting for a Democrat.
That is not in the best interest of the country we all claim to love.
Did you read the article?
Who do you think we have a better chance of swaying to vote for drilling? MOST IMPORTANTLY.... Who do you think we have a better chance of getting to nominate the conservatives to SCOTUS in the next 8 years?
Obama? This will be a "hold your nose and do what is right for the country"
A dem in the presidency is NOT the right vote.
Oh we see now, your going to use this election for principles or to teach someone a lesson. Brilliant thinking, is there is any thought to it.
Obama will sign every thing the liberal house and senate sends his way. Obama will nominate the leftest judges you ever saw to SCOTUS, the aforementioned house and senate will approve them.
As distasteful as McCain is we have a chace to prevent some of that. But we will all be so grateful you stood your ground and let Obama win.
You probably really showed your mom by not eating your green beans or picking up your toys either.
That was brilliant too. What big guys you have grown to be.
Oh we see now, your going to use this election for principles or to teach someone a lesson. Brilliant thinking, is there is any thought to it.
Obama will sign every thing the liberal house and senate sends his way. Obama will nominate the leftest judges you ever saw to SCOTUS, the aforementioned house and senate will approve them.
As distasteful as McCain is we have a chace to prevent some of that. But we will all be so grateful you stood your ground and let Obama win.
You probably really showed your mom by not eating your green beans or picking up your toys either.
That was brilliant too. What big guys you have grown to be.
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