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Carbon zombies attack economy
Toronto Sun ^ | 2008-06-12 | Lorrie Goldstein

Posted on 06/12/2008 2:24:45 AM PDT by Clive

Somewhere on the road to Kyoto, Canada turned into the land of the carbon zombies.

Like the walking undead, blood-sucking politicians of all stripes are howling at each other over discredited ways to reduce carbon emissions that other countries, having tried to implement, are running away from in terror.

In Europe, politicians who boasted they were leading the fight to save Gaia from global warming are now fleeing before enraged mobs of citizens, furious their governments' plans to "save the planet" have turned out to be nothing more than skyrocketing taxes and energy prices.

That, plus a "cap-and-trade" carbon market which, while worshipped by speculators and a few academics, has led to usurious electricity bills and done nothing for the environment.

In the U.K., furious taxpayers want to hurl their government -- an early supporter of the Kyoto accord -- over a cliff. Almost three in four tell pollsters they're unwilling to pay higher taxes to (supposedly) fight climate change. Two in three dismiss government schemes to do so as a ploy to raise taxes.

In the U.S., a bipartisan bill to establish a cap-and-trade system was debated for all of three days in the Senate last week before being punted, with neither Democrats nor Republicans in a presidential election year daring to promote pricing carbon while the cost of gas goes through the roof.

Yet in Canada, zombie politicians lurch on in support of carbon taxes (Liberals/Greens) and cap-and-trade (NDP) schemes that will suck the life out of us. The Conservatives are only marginally better, paying lip service to climate hysteria while preaching that reducing carbon emissions is simply a matter of hitting major emitters with tougher regulations.

All these schemes amount to the same thing -- ways to price carbon that will ultimately and unfairly impact on ordinary citizens.

Claims of "revenue neutrality" for a carbon tax, or that cap-and-trade or tougher regulations are painless or even effective solutions to cutting carbon emissions are nonsense.

We don't have a technology capable of dramatically lowering carbon emissions when burning fossil fuels. The only alternative is to burn less of them. The only way to do that is to make them so expensive, people have no choice but to use less.

That risks driving developed countries into recession (or deeper recessions than they already face) as consumers buy less, because the skyrocketing price of fossil fuels will hike the price of almost everything.

As George Monbiot writes in Heat: How to Stop the Planet From Burning, the campaign to fight global warming is a campaign for austerity.

It will stay that way unless and until renewable energy sources and carbon capture become practical and affordable.

Here's the real question: Are we willing to play Russian roulette with each other's livelihoods, while politicians pull the trigger and arbitrarily decide the winners and losers, in hopes of "fixing" the climate, long after we're all dead, based on a theory that may or may not work, assuming things are as bad as climate hysterics predict?

Contrary to the carbon zombies, there's no painless way to do this.

As for Kyoto, which exempts 143 of 180 participating countries from lifting a finger to cut their carbon emissions for the next 4 1/2 years, the only thing it guarantees is more greenhouse gases.

There's your real horror story.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algore; cizik; climatechange; enron; globalwarming; houghton; indulgences; liarsforjesus; liarsformoney; scams; usefulidiots

1 posted on 06/12/2008 2:26:00 AM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 06/12/2008 2:26:32 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
From Salt Lake City Craigs list, this.

3 posted on 06/12/2008 2:40:29 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: Lokibob

LOL. Buy carbon credits from a stranger on Craig’s List. Wouldn’t you rather go to a reputable seller of carbon credits, such as Al Gore?


4 posted on 06/12/2008 2:58:54 AM PDT by Rocky
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To: Lokibob

I love the carbon credits on craigs list. I’m going to do it too. But I’m going to offer a wide variety of carbon credit packages, including micro-credits for flatulent individuals.

We should ALL become carbon credit sellers!


5 posted on 06/12/2008 3:13:49 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Clive
Here's the real question: Are we willing to play Russian roulette with each other's livelihoods, while politicians pull the trigger and arbitrarily decide the winners and losers, in hopes of "fixing" the climate, long after we're all dead, based on a theory that may or may not work, assuming things are as bad as climate hysterics predict?
No, HERE'S the real question:

Are our elected representatives willing to play Russian roulette with our livelihoods, so they can pull the trigger and arbitrarily decide the winners and losers, in hopes of "fixing" the climate, long after we're all dead, based on a theory that may or may not work, assuming things are as bad as climate hysterics predict?

The answer, so far, is a big, fat, stupid yes.

Is it time for the revolution yet?

6 posted on 06/12/2008 3:17:14 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: xcamel

Good news here. People are waking up in Canada. This can only help our cause, here.


7 posted on 06/12/2008 3:32:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Clive; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...

Carbon Scam Ping - (POGW)

8 posted on 06/12/2008 3:46:00 AM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: Clive
As I was reserving a car at enterprise.com, I noticed they have a checkbox for $1.25 Carbon offset "donation"...

Idjits!

9 posted on 06/12/2008 3:54:41 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: samtheman

“Is it time for the revolution yet?”

Well past time for this. Besides, most people don’t know which end of the barrel the bullet comes out of let alone know how to hit a target at 100 yrds.


10 posted on 06/12/2008 3:56:15 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: CapnJack

I’m waiting for the potest to get organized. I’m not driving to DC by myself to get arrested as some lone nut. If hundreds of thousands of us drive into DC, cause a huge traffic jam, and we all shut off our cars at 12 noon on a Monday and just stay there until drilling and refining restrictions are lifted, and new nuke plants are funded, we’ll be heard. They can’t tow that many cars. We’ll shut that place down.


11 posted on 06/12/2008 4:06:02 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, were still retarded.)
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12 posted on 06/12/2008 4:08:54 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: WVKayaker

No, they’re not idjuts. It’s just marketing, there are plenty of people who will check that box, pay the buck-and-a-quarter, feel better about themselves, and think better of Enterprise because of it. It’s a smart move on Enterprise’s part.

Now, I’m with you, I think anyone who checks that box is an idiot. It they want to be more “carbon neutral”, they should just go plant some trees. But I don’t think Enterprise are idiotss, they’re just playing to the market.


13 posted on 06/12/2008 4:28:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: FreedomPoster

Nothing wrong with people voluntarily handing over their own cash for anything from saving the earth to saving homeless wombats.

Its the people who come to my house with the guns and want to confiscate my incandescent light bulbs that worry me.


14 posted on 06/12/2008 4:34:21 AM PDT by Appleby
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To: FreedomPoster
It’s just marketing, there are plenty of people who will check that box, pay the buck-and-a-quarter, feel better about themselves, and think better of Enterprise because of it. It’s a smart move on Enterprise’s part.

I totally agree. I was thinking more of those "feel better about themselves" folk.

I am traveling to NC next month, for my daughter's wedding, and they have 1/2 price weekends, w/unlimited miles. My car gets 18 mpg, and I can get one that gets 35. It'll cost less than a hundred fifty bucks (inc gas) for the 4 day 7/4 weekend. ...and I save that 1000 miles off my car!

15 posted on 06/12/2008 4:34:49 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: Clive
their governments' plans to "save the planet" have turned out to be nothing more than skyrocketing taxes and energy prices.

This is precisely what their gubmints wanted the plan to do. All this AGW hooey is nothing more than a money grab.

In the course of human events, when the facts don't add up, follow the money.....

16 posted on 06/12/2008 4:37:32 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: Clive

Lorrie can write !


17 posted on 06/12/2008 4:41:57 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: WVKayaker

That sounds like a smart move to me.


18 posted on 06/12/2008 4:43:59 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Clive

The whole global warming / carbon credit sham is nothing but a global BS ploy for elite groups and governments to suck more money out of the working man so people who can’t hack it in the real world protect the jobs and employment. PERIOD!!


19 posted on 06/12/2008 5:00:52 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: FreedomPoster
I have an older (1988) Benz 420SEL, which requires 93 oct. I had a towncar, but bought this cheap. One owner, had 56k on it, when I bought it last year. Always garaged! Mercedes maintained, twice a year with docs. It did get driven to FL once! Estate sale for $1500. I just don't want to drive it much! It's too nice. I also have a 96 Windstar for hauling. Both are set for trailers.

I sell land, and rent a 4x4 4dr pickup, on an upgrade (regular customer) for about $60 +/- per week end. My buddies in the office are paying $6-700 per month in payments...duh! I just don't use their insurance. Mine works!

I live 45 minutes from the nearest chain grocery. I am happy to live here... and only go out when I need something! My cabin is at the bottom of a mountain, next to a (state-stocked) trout stream. Life is good!

Picture taken about 8 miles from me... (courtesy of WVDOT). They are cutting down mountains and building across chasms to cross WV, thanks to "Sheets". I'm a native Tarheel, transplanted to the "almost heaven".


20 posted on 06/12/2008 5:05:34 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: ovrtaxt; oldglory; MinuteGal; mcmuffin; gonzo

Ready to Rumble!! I’ll be in on that FReep!


21 posted on 06/12/2008 5:26:46 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase Two Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: FreedomPoster; oldglory; MinuteGal; mcmuffin; gonzo
"Now, I’m with you, I think anyone who checks that box is an idiot. It they want to be more “carbon neutral”, they should just go plant some trees."

Or stop eating beans.

Now if they don't want to stop eating beans, I'll sell them carbon credits from my company, Pristine Wholesale Investment Brokers. We use independent contractors who we guarantee to be non-flatulent.

They must test negative before being hired, and agree to be wired with a testing apparatus that is worn day and night which our remote computers continuously monitor. Those who are discovered to be cheaters are suspended as suppliers to my company on the spot.

It just so happens that like me, many of my friends easily qualify for that "Pristine" designation and are the proud recipients of numerous awards from my company.

22 posted on 06/12/2008 6:06:13 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase Two Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: WVKayaker

Love that era of the MB S-class. Good stuff.


23 posted on 06/12/2008 6:31:06 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: xcamel; samtheman; Clive; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; ...
This entire situation is one of international cognitive dissonance.

I know that Global Warming is a scam, that Carbon Footprints and Carbon Credits are a scam, that the CO2 scare is a scam, and that the official and adamant refusal to massively increase domestic production AND refining is a scam. You all know it, too. In fact, anyone who took and passed High School General Science or Economics probably knows it.

How then, is it that our "leaders" do not know this? What the hell is the plan? Tank the economy and start all over as a Developing World Nation, getting us even with Bangladesh to preserve their self-esteem? We fund our enemies, while our own oil goes undeveloped? Somebody, clue me in before the shooting starts. That's what it will come to, as all insane situations do.

I am so not getting this.

24 posted on 06/12/2008 12:14:19 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (GOP Plank: Pump MORE US Crude--2Xrefining capacity -- Coal /METHANOL fuel-- Build Nukes)
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To: FreedomPoster
I was looking at a 560SEL with the 6.9,and decided not to buy it. It had 155k, but well kept. About a year later, this one came available, and I bit. Blue/silver out, with lt brown leather in. The thing is like a mobile living room. It is prime German Technology. I can't think of a more well built car. You hear a solid "thunk" every time you close a door!

I want to keep it to be buried in... Less expensive than a coffin, twice as nice (though requires a bigger hole in the ground!) Dirt's cheap...

25 posted on 06/12/2008 3:02:21 PM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: samtheman

“I’m going to do it too. But I’m going to offer a wide variety of carbon credit packages, including micro-credits for flatulent individuals.”

LOL, please send me the link.

.....Bob


26 posted on 06/12/2008 7:50:05 PM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

27 posted on 06/15/2008 6:44:36 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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