"We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs."
Posted on 06/06/2008 5:39:36 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
Members of Congress interviewed by Cybercast News Service on Thursday were split on what to do about huge amounts of oil within U.S. territory that remains untapped because of U.S. laws and regulations.
A report released by the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management (BLM) last month estimates there are 139 billion barrels of untapped, recoverable oil onshore and offshore in the United States.
Two Republican congressmen say they support removing regulations in order to drill for the oil, while two Democrats say they oppose immediate action.
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) told Cybercast News Service he was aware of the BLM report .
"You've got that right," he said. "We can't get it (the oil) because the environmental elitists are preventing that with moratoria saying it would take ten years to get it developed," he said.
Rep Mike Pence (R-Ind.) also said Congress ought to deregulate to allow more drilling.
"My sense is that the most direct route is for Congress to take direct action and give the American people more access to American oil," Pence told Cybercast News Service .
When asked if he favored deregulation to allow more drilling of the undiscovered oil resources reported by BLM, Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.) replied, "No."
The California congressman added that he could "never say never" about the possibility of future drilling, but that circumstances would have to be "pretty drastic" for him to agree to more drilling.
"I am more concerned about global warming and the impact of fossil fuel," he said.
House Ways And Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y) told Cybercast News Service he needs to study the issue more before deciding if regulations should be removed to allow more drilling.
"I haven't studied enough to make that decision," Rangel said.
When pressed on whether he thinks some of the oil resources estimated by BLM ought to be available for American consumption, Wrangel replied: "Yes, but there are other issues that could cause damage. That's what hearings are for. We have to have hearings and have experts and study the pros and cons."
The 139 billion barrels of undiscovered oil that the Interior Department estimates the U.S. possesses is more oil than is reported by U.S. Energy Information Administration to exist in the proven reserves of all countries except Saudi Arabia and Canada.
In other words, Democrats don't think gas prices are high enough.
Are we still calling oil “fossil fuels”?
“When pressed on whether he thinks some of the oil resources estimated by BLM ought to be available for American consumption, Wrangel replied: “Yes, but there are other issues that could cause damage. That’s what hearings are for. We have to have hearings and have experts and study the pros and cons.”
Lib translator engaged...Not only NO! But HE11 NO!...lib translator off
I haven’t studied enough to make that decision,” Rangel said.
Ask your limo driver he knows more about it than you do.
But not for the Climate Security Act. Go figure.
To hell with the people and the economy!
This is a great read.....
Hypocrites on gas
Bipartisan us energy idiocy
New York Post 06/05/2008
Author: George F. Will
Rising in the Senate on May 13, Chuck Schumer, the New York Democrat, explained: “I rise to discuss rising energy prices.” The president was heading to Saudi Arabia to seek an increase in its oil production, and Schumer’s gorge was rising.
Saudi Arabia, he said, “holds the key to reducing gasoline prices at home in the short term.” Therefore arms sales to that kingdom should be blocked unless it “increases its oil production by one million barrels per day,” which would cause the price of gasoline to fall “50 cents a gallon almost immediately.”
Can a senator, with so many things on his mind, know so precisely how the price of gasoline would respond to that increase in the oil supply?
Schumer does know that if you increase the supply of something, the price of it probably will fall. That’s why he and 96 other senators recently voted to increase the supply of oil on the market by stopping the flow of oil into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which protects against major physical interruptions.
Seventy-one of the 97 senators who voted to stop filling the SPR also oppose drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
One million barrels is what might today be flowing from ANWR if in 1995 President Bill Clinton hadn’t vetoed legislation to permit drilling there. One million barrels produce 27 million gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel. Seventy-two of today’s senators - including Schumer, of course, and 38 other Democrats, including Barack Obama, and 33 Republicans, including John McCain - have voted to keep ANWR’s estimated 10.4 billion barrels of oil off the market.
So Schumer, according to Schumer, is complicit in taking $10 away from every American who buys 20 gallons of gasoline.
“Democracy,” said H.L. Mencken, “is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” The common people of New York want Schumer to be their senator, so they should pipe down about gasoline prices, which are a predictable consequence of their political choice.
Also disqualified from complaining are all voters who sent to Washington senators and representatives who’ve voted to keep ANWR’s oil in the ground, and who voted to put 85 percent of America’s offshore territory off-limits to drilling. The US Minerals Management Service says that restricted area contains perhaps 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas - 10 times the oil and 20 times the natural gas Americans use in a year.
Drilling is under way 60 miles off Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than US companies are.
ANWR is larger than the combined areas of five states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware) and drilling along its coastal plane would be confined to a space one-sixth the size of Washington’s Dulles Airport.
Offshore? Hurricanes Katrina and Rita destroyed or damaged hundreds of drilling rigs without causing a large spill. There hasn’t been a significant spill from an offshore US well since 1969. Of the more than 7 billion barrels of oil pumped offshore in the last 25 years, 0.001 percent - that is one-thousandth of 1 percent - has been spilled. Louisiana has more than 3,200 rigs offshore - and a thriving commercial fishing industry.
In his “Gusher of Lies: The Dangerous Delusions of ‘Energy Independence,’ “ Robert Bryce says Brazil’s energy success has little to do with its much-discussed ethanol production and much to do with its increased oil production, the vast majority of which comes from off Brazil’s shore. Investor’s Business Daily reports that Brazil, “which recently made a major oil discovery almost in sight of Rio’s beaches,” has leased most of the world’s deep-sea drilling rigs.
In September 2006, two US companies announced that their “Jack No. 2” well, in the Gulf 270 miles southwest of New Orleans, had tapped a field with perhaps 15 billion barrels of oil, which would increase America’s proven reserves by 50 percent. Just probing four miles below the Gulf’s floor costs $100 million. Congress’ response to such expenditures is to propose increasing the oil companies’ tax burdens.
America says to foreign producers: We prefer not to pump our oil, so please pump more of yours, thereby lowering its value, for our benefit. Let it not be said that America has no energy policy.
This is all tax scam.
none of them are split about filling the gov’t coffers, while they tell us it is for our own protection....
for the children......
they are just holding out and waiting to see how many “voters” know it is a scam and bother calling their offices to threaten their jobs again...
These people are worse than 2 years olds....
We are supposed to send these folks to DC in order to represent us so that we can go about our daily lives.....
but instead, I have the ADDED responsibility of babysitting grown men in DC......
nice....
In fact, between this and the border..it is more like protecting ourselves from the foxes living in the Hen House.....
Unlike global warming, where we have experts and study only the pros.
"We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs."
“It’s my job to vote against everything that the administration thinks, regardless of reasoning or fact” - Typical liberal agenda.
“Jon Stewart told me so” - underlying liberal reasoning.
“I am more concerned about global warming and the impact of fossil fuel,” he said.”
I bet if he was more concerned about losing re-election due to high gas prices, he would be less concerned about global warming.
Okay, let that be you campaign slogan for re-election this year.........
Oh, don’t you know...They have to stand and make their speeches to each other...They have to tell each other how they care...how they “feel the common man’s pain”...(snicker)...and how they know the way to “fix it”...
They sit and listen (maybe a little) to each other...nod their heads at the proper moment (if C-SPAN is catching them) and act as if the speech going on is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in Congress...
They pat each other on back (or wherever they get the urge to pat) and tell each other how smart they are...
They then adjourn and go have a drink, take their wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, “life partner”, or maybe a mixture of these, to dinner...
Finally....NOTHING GETS DONE...NOTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED...
Another day in Congress....ho-hum.....
How about the total amount of untapped oil from both within and offshore from the total North American continent? How about the total amount of untapped oil from the total Western Hemisphere, both onshore and offshore?
And someone asks, “Are you cynical???”...*ROFL*
And now we’re all going back to our respective camps to grab $hitpot loads of dimes to pay the trolls too....I think 1/2 the trolls on The Hill are Johnsons.
So, in effect, Rangel and his liberal brethren have deliberately prevented access to our oil because of pseudo environmental reasons (globull warming). So, again, in effect, Rangel and his liberal brethren WANT $4 a gallon gas, and would likely want higher gas prices if they thought it would feed the globull warming beast.
Two things, Rangel and the Democrats are responsible for $4 gas, and they prove that globull warming is the great political engine they intend to use to drive them to power and emasculate America and our freedoms. Just like Mao, and Lenin, Rangel is going to take things away from us for the greater, collective good, in this case, the environment.
Rangle reminds me of a fossilized dinosaur turd.
How can someone who still has a few neurons firing make such a statement? People like this clown are going to destroy the greatest economic engine on the planet all because they buy into global warming. If he really feels that way, go to China, India, and eastern Europe and tell them to clean up their pollution to the levels we have in this country. Until that happens...DRILL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Charlie, I'm not sure you can read, let alone study. Even you might understand that a dollar spent on pollution abatement is going to produce more results if it's spent in China or eastern Europe than here. When they clean up their act to the standards we already have in place here, then you can "study" the global warming issues. Until that happens, there is no good reason to not open up all lands to oil production...DRILL NOW!
1) Forget the CAGW nonsense. Watch the solar weather and hope for lots of sunspots soon or it’s going to really cool off. That Chilean volcano isn’t going to help either.
2) Develop coal gasification. According to the governor of Montana, it has a 200 year supply at the current rate of consumption of coal to be converted to oil. Cost: $55/barrel or maybe less. Due to asinine environmentalists, it will take a while to ramp up though.
Right. Jupiter is a gigantic ball of fossil fuels.
Saturn's largest moon, Titan, is covered by oceans of fossil fuels.
What, like $4.00 per gallon gas?
What morons actually vote for this ignoramous?
We are getting the screwing we deserve...
Liberal morons in California.
How about this? We allow drilling that brings the price of gas down to $2.50 a gallon but the idiots in the districts whose representatives vote against it get to keep on paying $4 a gallon for gas.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone who actually believes these self-serving POS’s in Washington actually “cares” about us is the most gullible, naive person(s) ever born to this planet....
Oil closed up $5.49 and this morning it’s up another $6.60 currently.
Read this and I think you will agree the oil industry has already been Nationalized in the US;
It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. “The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption.”
The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern “maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets.” But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. “Market exchange,” says Mises, “is only a sham.”
Mises’s account is confirmed by a remarkable book that appeared in 1939, published by Vanguard Press in New York City (and unfortunately out of print today). It is The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism by Guenter Reimann, then a 35-year old German writer. Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the “monster machine” of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.
“Industrialists were visited by state auditors who had strict orders to examine the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company or individual businessman for the preceding two, three or more years until some error or false entry was found,” explains Reimann. “The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error.”
Reimann quotes from a businessman’s letter: “You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.
“While state representatives are busily engaged in investigating and interfering, our agents and salesmen are handicapped because they never know whether or not a sale at a higher price will mean denunciation as a ‘profiteer’ or ‘saboteur,’ followed by a prison sentence. You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.
“There are terrible times coming. If only I had succeeded in smuggling out $10,000 or even $5,000, I would leave Germany with my family. Business friends of mine are convinced that it will be the turn of the ‘white Jews’ (which means us, Aryan businessmen) after the Jews have been expropriated. The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that we are still independent businessmen.”
As Mises says, “independent” only in a decorous sense. Under fascism, explains this businessman, the capitalist “must be servile to the representatives of the state” and “must not insist on rights, and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred.” It’s the businessman, characteristically independent, who is “most likely to get into trouble with the Gestapo for having grumbled incautiously.”
“Of all businessmen, the small shopkeeper is the one most under control and most at the mercy of the party,” recounts Reimann. “The party man, whose good will he must have, does not live in faraway Berlin; he lives right next door or right around the corner. This local Hitler gets a report every day on what is discussed in Herr Schultz’s bakery and Herr Schmidt’s butcher shop. He would regard these men as ‘enemies of the state’ if they complained too much. That would mean, at the very least, the cutting of their quota of scarce and hence highly desirable goods, and it might mean the loss of their business licenses. Small shopkeepers and artisans are not to grumble.”
“Officials, trained only to obey orders, have neither the desire, the equipment, nor the vision to modify rules to suit individual situations,” Reimann explains. “The state bureaucrats, therefore, apply these laws rigidly and mechanically, without regard for the vital interests of essential parts of the national economy. Their only incentive to modify the letter of the law is in bribes from businessmen, who for their part use bribery as their only means of obtaining relief from a rigidity which they find crippling.”
Says another businessman: “Each business move has become very complicated and is full of legal traps which the average businessman cannot determine because there are so many new decrees. All of us in business are constantly in fear of being penalized for the violation of some decree or law.”
Business owners, explains another entrepreneur, cannot exist without a “collaborator,” i.e., a “lawyer” with good contacts in the Nazi bureaucracy, one who “knows exactly how far you can circumvent the law.” Nazi officials, explains Reimann, “obtain money for themselves by merely taking it from capitalists who have funds available with which to purchase influence and protection,” paying for their protection “as did the helpless peasants of feudal days.”
“It has gotten to the point where I cannot talk even in my own factory,” laments a factory owner. “Accidentally, one of the workers overheard me grumbling about some new bureaucratic regulation and he immediately denounced me to the party and the Labor Front office.”
Reports another factory owner: “The greater part of the week I don’t see my factory at all. All this time I spend in visiting dozens of government commissions and offices in order to get raw materials I need. Then there are various tax problems to settle and I must have continual conferences and negotiations with the Price Commission. It sometimes seems as if I do nothing but that, and everywhere I go there are more leaders, party secretaries, and commissars to see.”
In this totalitarian paradigm, a businessman, declares a Nazi decree, “practices his functions primarily as a representative of the State, only secondarily for his own sake.” Complain, warns a Nazi directive, and “we shall take away the freedom still left you.”
In 1933, six years before Reimann’s book, Victor Klemperer, a Jewish academic in Dresden, made the following entry in his diary on February 21: “It is a disgrace that gets worse with every day that passes. And there’s not a sound from anyone. Everyone’s keeping his head down.”
It is impossible to escape the parallels between Guenter Reimann’s account of doing business under the Nazis and the “compassionate,” “responsible,” and regulated “capitalism” of today’s U.S. economy today. At least the German government was frank enough to give the right name to its system of economic control.
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As oil has only been found in sedimentary structures, and never in igneous or metamorphic rock, I’d say “fossil” is a sensible term.
Have any of these clowns, and their environazi buddies, ever visited these countries? They are cesspools! You are exactly right, until they clean up their environment to the same condition as ours...DRILL.
This has only been an issue since the 60's Charlie. Don't you think you should get off your fat arse and learn about it one of these decades?
Or they're just weasel words.
Calling some of those places "cesspools" errs on the kind side of the issue. Congress telling us that we have to endure higher fuel prices to ensure we save the planet is sorta like having a "No Peeing" zone in a public swimming pool. Let the rest of the world meet our standards before you ask us to sacrifice more. DRILL NOW!
Read the first sentence of post #27 to learn Charlie’s problem.
Duh...he's from California. You gotta be a tree hugger to get elected there. Never mind that they will shut this economic system down...at least you'll breathe clean air as you die of starvation.
All crude oil is sourced from sedimentary rock.
Several attempts have been made to locate abiotic oil.
These ultra-deep wells have managed to produce cash from gullible investors and governments, but no producing oil well has every been found from such attempts.
On anything, ever.
That sounded stupid when I heard it as a kid.
What other liquids can be found in metamorphic or igneous rock? Honest question.
I believe that today there will be a major conclave on the Mandan Indian reservation in North Dakota. There the governor will annouce that drilling will be permitted after a halt of many decades. On the reservation itself there is a private group that is about to begin the construction of the world’s most efficient refinery, and as most know by now the scramble is underway to purchase leases in the Bakken shale region of North Dakota and Montana. The reason these developments can occur is because the oil is located on private land where the environmentalists have less chance of scrwing things up.
In other words, Democrats don't think gas prices are high enough."I am more concerned about global warming and the impact of fossil fuel," he said.
There is no difference in the two statements. None at all.
Water though, would seem the most common liquid throughout, in common with the minerolgy of igneous melts...molten in their placement by definition, and, either complete or "plastic" melting in metamorphic/metasedimentary units.
The question is an interesting one however in that the mass of biogenic material neceessary to "make" oil has only been around for about 500 million years since the so-called Cambrian explosion. That would seem enough time though for large amounts of microscopic biomass to have accumulated along oceanic, and even large lake bottoms, and be covered by sediment to form deposits large enough for later economic exploitation.
The fact that methane is ubiquitous throughout the universe should come as no surprise given the affinity of hydrogen to carbon, and vice versa. In fact, it's thought that biogenesis on Earth occurred, with water, in a largely methane/ammonia environment with oxygen having then been gradually liberated by photosynthesis from plant materials (also likely incorporated in future oil deposits).
It is though a strange and beautiful universe, and this is but theory - developed from certain observational evidence to be sure, being good theory - but theory nonetheless.
Think of carbon though, having to have been "cooked" in the interiors of at least one and probably two generations of stars having preexisted the origin of the Sun. God has surely done the work. But that's another subject...always hopefully another thread.
All His Best to You and Yours....
Ref post #11.
I love it!!!!
Thank you.
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