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Chávez decree tightens hold on intelligence (citizens must inform on each other)
International Harold Tribune ^ | 5/3/08 | Simon Romero Published: June 3, 2008

Posted on 06/02/2008 8:39:23 PM PDT by traviskicks

CARACAS, Venezuela: President Hugo Chávez has used his decree powers to carry out a major overhaul of this country's intelligence agencies, provoking a fierce backlash here from human rights groups and legal scholars who say the measures will force citizens to inform on one another to avoid prison terms.

Under the new intelligence law, which took effect last week, Venezuela's two main intelligence services, the DISIP secret police and the DIM military intelligence agency, will be replaced with new agencies, the General Intelligence Office and General Counterintelligence Office, under the control of Chávez.

The new law requires people in the country to comply with requests to assist the agencies, secret police or community activist groups loyal to Chávez. Refusal can result in prison terms of two to four years for most people and four to six years for government employees.

"We are before a set of measures that are a threat to all of us," said Blanca Rosa Mármol de León, a justice on Venezuela's top court, in a rare public judicial dissent. "I have an obligation to say this, as a citizen and a judge. This is a step toward the creation of a society of informers."

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chavez; communists; latinamerica

1 posted on 06/02/2008 8:39:27 PM PDT by traviskicks
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
...will force citizens to inform on one another to avoid prison terms.

Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.
2 posted on 06/02/2008 8:40:25 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

Memo to military: when you next conduct a coup (if ever) and have El Presidente in your clutches,

SHOOT HIM!


3 posted on 06/02/2008 8:42:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: traviskicks
...the DIM military intelligence agency...

C'mon, that's gotta be a joke.

4 posted on 06/02/2008 8:42:09 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: traviskicks

many nations south of the border with a few exceptions are

committing suicide.


5 posted on 06/02/2008 8:43:26 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: traviskicks
Chávez decree tightens hold on intelligence

Hugo Chavez is running a clinic on how to transform a weak democracy into a dictatorship. Do you reckon our Marx-besotted academics are taking careful notes while admiring the process?

6 posted on 06/02/2008 8:44:10 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: traviskicks

That sounds familiar .


7 posted on 06/02/2008 8:45:01 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: traviskicks

Stalin returns by another name. Ping.


8 posted on 06/02/2008 8:48:45 PM PDT by mavfin
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To: traviskicks

Wait, but if you have nothing to hide...
(do I need the sarcasm tag?)


9 posted on 06/02/2008 8:52:36 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: traviskicks

I wish to imform on citizen Hugo Chávez, he is crazy as a loon.


10 posted on 06/02/2008 8:55:45 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: traviskicks

I lived in Communist VietNam in the ‘90’s. Each block had an unidentified Party member whose job was to watch and inform on his/her neighbors and their “disloyal” activities.

This sounds like the very same thing.


11 posted on 06/02/2008 8:58:11 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: traviskicks

Huey’s got his shiny new Cheka and his Cuban neighborhood watch program as well. His idol Karl Marx said it best: “History repeats itself; first as tragedy, second as farce.”


12 posted on 06/02/2008 8:59:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: snarks_when_bored
Hugo Chavez is running a clinic on how to transform a weak democracy into a dictatorship. Do you reckon our Marx-besotted academics are taking careful notes while admiring the process?

Exactly!

The local Marxist totalitarians, oops I meant democrat party activists, would love to do this here.

13 posted on 06/02/2008 9:00:06 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: traviskicks
Who's going to run the biggest splash headlines on this, NYT, Time or Newsweek?
14 posted on 06/02/2008 9:14:21 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: traviskicks

I think Jimmy Carter must be “lusting” again(!)


15 posted on 06/02/2008 10:00:38 PM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: traviskicks

Note the law requires support to “ assist the agencies, secret police or community activist groups loyal to Chávez.”

Thus deputizing all sorts of government “officials”.

Chavez is putting all the tried and true organs in place,
for you cannot have organs of internal security without
internal ENEMIES. Opposition members better dig in, it’s going to get worse.

Keep an eye on that judge, watch what happens to her.


16 posted on 06/02/2008 10:10:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: traviskicks
And now, from RedStar Motors the new 2008 Hugo!

And from StarRed Motors the 2008 Chavez!!

Place your order now and be first in line to get yours by 2022!!

17 posted on 06/02/2008 10:17:50 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy - No Brain cell Left Behind - Ok. Maybe a few)
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To: traviskicks
They're getting the sheeple ready to accept this sort of thing here - I recently read about s city somewhere where neighbors or people on the street can now act as pseudo police by turning in people they think are speeding, etc., and it has the same effect as if caught by an officer
18 posted on 06/02/2008 10:18:41 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: traviskicks
"Under the new intelligence law, which took effect last week, Venezuela's two main intelligence services, the DISIP secret police and the DIM military intelligence agency, will be replaced with new agencies, the General Intelligence Office and General Counterintelligence Office, under the control of Chávez."

Chavez is setting himself up to be the Czar of Venezuela. He'll probably end up like Russia's last Czar too.

19 posted on 06/02/2008 10:33:37 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Rembrandt

People see footage of bustling Vietnam, bikes, cars, motorcycles, markets open, etc etc. and it surely looks like all is well. Anything changed there since you were there?


20 posted on 06/02/2008 11:04:48 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Time is the school in which we learn that time is the fire in which we burn" --Delmore Schwartz)
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To: traviskicks
secret police or community activist groups loyal to Chávez

Tell tale.

21 posted on 06/03/2008 1:31:56 AM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: maine-iac7
A misdemeanor must be witnessed by the police in most jurisdictions.

If you can find the article you're talking about, I'd appreciate a ping.

22 posted on 06/03/2008 2:26:51 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: FormerACLUmember
>p>The local Marxist totalitarians, oops I meant democrat party activists, would love to do this here.

Bingo!

Marxism is our nation's **most** serious and important threat. It isn't islamofascism. We can survive a nuclear suitcase bomb, but all freedom **can** be lost in the voting booth!

It is time to call the enemy what it **really** is: MARXISM!

A liberal ( and this means the Democratic Party) is never satisfied. Never. He is like a passenger on a train. Each new socialist scheme is merely a train station. The final destination is Marxism!

Last week I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in passing, that liberalism is our nation's **most** serious threat. I nearly fell out of my chair cheering! I do wish though that he would start educating his listeners. Liberal is merely a thin skin over the sausage. Marxism is the meat.

If we are going to win over Marxist tyranny then we must start calling the enemy what it is. They are not liberals, socialists, progressives, or the left. They are MARXISTS!!!! By the way, the Marxist's **most** important weapon is our schools. Our government K-12 schools, colleges, and universities are completely infiltrated and controlled by them.

23 posted on 06/03/2008 3:31:36 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: razorback-bert
I wish to imform on citizen Hugo Chávez, he is crazy as a loon.

American LOONS (not all inclusive)

1) Maxine Waters

2) Sheila Jackson Lee

3) Harry Reid

(4) Robert Byrd

(5)???????? Who am I missing, :-)

24 posted on 06/03/2008 4:06:21 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
1) Maxine Waters 2) Sheila Jackson Lee 3) Harry Reid (4) Robert Byrd (5)???????? Who am I missing, :-)

All of the above are Marxists. It is time we called them what they truly are.

25 posted on 06/03/2008 5:00:20 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: metesky; maine-iac7

“If you can find the article you’re talking about, I’d appreciate a ping.”

Please include me on that ping. Thanks.


26 posted on 06/03/2008 6:29:05 AM PDT by CSM (Hey if a small tax increase didn't work, a bigger tax increase should not work even BETTER!)
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To: Travis McGee

Liberals could care less....as long as the free heating oil continues.


27 posted on 06/03/2008 7:46:04 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: maine-iac7
where neighbors or people on the street can now act as pseudo police by turning in people they think are speeding, etc., and it has the same effect as if caught by an officer

I don't believe that for a second. How could they ever prove you were speeding?

28 posted on 06/03/2008 7:48:28 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: traviskicks

Otherwise know as: ACTO de PATRIOTA


29 posted on 06/03/2008 11:56:33 AM PDT by NCBraveheart
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To: Puppage
How could they ever prove you were speeding?

In a Marxist world, no need for law to prove - we are the edge of Marxism. Only a tiny push and our freedoms are toast.

Let the dems in the WH o or continue to let them in majorities - and we will all reap the whirlwind.

Where's the hue and cry: "You dems got your majority in 2006 on promises you have never kept. You have ignored the peoples business and spent you time hating Bush and practicing sedition. Show us the list of things you were supposed to get down vs the list of what you got done - time to go."

Wake up, Sheeple

30 posted on 06/03/2008 12:21:59 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: Puppage; CSM; metesky
I don't believe that for a second. How could they ever prove you were speeding?

Oh, and here's just one instance;

http://www.town.georgina.on.ca/pn-georgina-road-watch.aspx

Excerpt:

"Pads of Citizen Report Forms are available from the Civic Centre, the local police station, the three library branches and the Internet. A Citizen Report Dorm may be used any time you observe an act of aggressive driving. Please ensure that you include as much of the requested information as possible especially the license plate information. Your name, address and telephone number must be included on in the report. All information is kept in strict confidence.

You may use any of the drop box locations listed below. By following the procedures of the Citizen Report Form, your report will receive the attention required. Your report will be addressed by the police, as follows:

First time offenders will receive a letter from the police, warning them that a complaint has been lodge against them and that this information will be kept on file;

A second offense will merit a second letter or a telephone call from the police, depending on the severity of the incident;

A subsequent offense will result in a personal visit from the police and possible charges. "

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Wake up, Sheeple.

This is how they are implementing Marxism: one drop at a time - and people don't take notice. Come the time they spring the trap, it's too late.

So go ahead, let the dims back in the WH - Stick yours noses in the air and don't vote for McCain - (not directing this at you guys, but the Sheeple who are in the raised-nose group)

31 posted on 06/03/2008 12:35:10 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: maine-iac7; Puppage; CSM

You do realize that that’s a Canadian site and not the US of A, don’t you?


32 posted on 06/03/2008 2:12:35 PM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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