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Meet the New Barry Goldwater [McCain]
American Spectator ^ | 5/30/2008 | Quin Hillyer

Posted on 05/30/2008 6:20:25 AM PDT by Uncledave

Many conservatives realistic enough to know there will never be "another Reagan" nevertheless wish at least for another Barry Goldwater. They don't realize that we already have one. His name is John McCain.

{snip} AS WITH GOLDWATER, so with McCain. Irascible, iconoclastic, sometimes a bit profane, always his own man and nobody else's, McCain is a curmudgeon's curmudgeon -- but still with much to offer his country. We all know, of course, why so many of us are so often so angry with McCain -- his sometimes bizarre heresies from conservatism, his insulting language and hair-trigger temper toward conservatives who disagree with him -- but we spend too little time acknowledging the man's strengths. On those issues on which Goldwater was strongest, about which he cared most deeply and on which he was most identifiably conservative, McCain is as strong or stronger than any national leader in the past 20 years.

Consider the fight against outrageous government spending. No major party nominee since Goldwater, Reagan included, has been as consistently and bravely dedicated to fiscal discipline as has McCain. Last week he both made a superb campaign speech and penned a hard-hitting column for the Chicago Tribune blasting the bloated, irresponsible Farm Bill for which 80 percent of his colleagues were cravenly voting...Indeed, entitlements collectively represent an absolutely deadly time bomb, and McCain might be the only man in American politics today with the will power, the moral standing, and the sheer cussedness needed to defuse it.

{snip} John McCain is not a conservative champion. But he deeply believes, and strongly champions, many conservative principles, many Goldwaterite principles. We certainly could do worse than to be stuck with him as our own, infuriating, headstrong, bullying, honor-obsessed, indefatigable, and sometimes downright inspirational SOB.

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1 posted on 05/30/2008 6:20:25 AM PDT by Uncledave
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To: Uncledave

I take comfort in deluding myself that much of what this author writes is true.


2 posted on 05/30/2008 6:22:43 AM PDT by Uncledave (Zombie Reagan '08)
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To: Uncledave

Will he lose like Goldwater? McCain isn’t even a moderate conservative. He shares the same views with Obama on Global Warming, Gitmo, Amnesty for God’s Children, and obscene corporate profits. I will be no part of that train wreck.


3 posted on 05/30/2008 6:24:33 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Ronald Reagan Fought Regulation, John McCain Brought Regulation...)
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To: Uncledave

Didn’t AuH2O turn out to be a lib towards the end?


4 posted on 05/30/2008 6:25:45 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Uncledave

Shouldn’t there be a barf alert?


5 posted on 05/30/2008 6:28:22 AM PDT by devere
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To: Sybeck1
Also, McCain and his wife are creepy. He apparently has health issues he wants to hide and thus the farce of the medical records release. His mental health is fading and he lies like a sociopath and betrayed his first wife. Nothing he says means anything. Looks at the Rev. Hagee controversy. He courted Hagee during the primaries when he needed the votes, then dumped him. Watch McCain when he talks. He has a flat affect and often appears exhausted.
6 posted on 05/30/2008 6:29:22 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Uncledave
we already have one. His name is John McCain.

Thanks for the morning laugh.


7 posted on 05/30/2008 6:30:35 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Uncledave

This is pure Heresy.


8 posted on 05/30/2008 6:31:04 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Uncledave
On those issues on which Goldwater was strongest, about which he cared most deeply and on which he was most identifiably conservative, McCain is as strong or stronger than any national leader in the past 20 years.

The tax burden of shamnesty for 22+ million illegals, and cap and trade global warming buffoonery says otherwise. It's a myth that McCain is a champeen of limited spending. He's just shuffling the deck to pander to certain voting blocks and is willing to turn taxpayer revenues into promissory notes.

9 posted on 05/30/2008 6:35:59 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: Paladin2

Yes.


10 posted on 05/30/2008 6:36:28 AM PDT by pilipo (I am officially a man without a country.)
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To: Uncledave

The choices really are simple:

The Obamanation utter nightare. One we might never wake up from.

The McCain Pain - take 1,000 aspirin and call me in four years.

The Reagan dream - or rather fanasy. No going to happen this time around, even if you stay home and wish for it. All that will happen is the dream will turn into the nightmare.

I’m going to suck it up and take my aspirin. We will survive that, if not happily.


11 posted on 05/30/2008 6:36:49 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Uncledave
Meet the New Barry Goldwater Bob Dole [McCain]


12 posted on 05/30/2008 6:37:38 AM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Uncledave
What an interesting way to put it:

at least for another Barry Goldwater.

I revere what Goldwater did as highly as I do Reagan.

13 posted on 05/30/2008 6:38:29 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Uncledave
I take comfort in deluding myself that much of what this author writes is true.

He holds Goldwater's seat and he takes that fact seriously. With McCain you are going to get some things that you don't like and you are going to get them until you howl. You are also going to get a lot of things that you do like. And you are going to get them until you howl.

14 posted on 05/30/2008 6:38:53 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Uncledave

The democrat MCLame being compared to Goldwater???

HA, HA, HAN HA ....that is the most obtuse statement I have heard since Hussein obama opened his mouth last


15 posted on 05/30/2008 6:40:23 AM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: Uncledave

Goldwater always acted on principle and explained his actions in relation to those principles. If there is a unifying principle underlying McCain’s positions I can’t detect it.


16 posted on 05/30/2008 6:41:59 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Uncledave

I’m sure McCain will win a gang of 14 states in the general.
The Maverick Party is going to show up and vote for him BIG TIME!!! Whoever that is.


17 posted on 05/30/2008 6:45:44 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: piytar
That very attitude is giving McCain free rein to go as left as he wants.
18 posted on 05/30/2008 6:46:41 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Ronald Reagan Fought Regulation, John McCain Brought Regulation...)
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To: Uncledave

In your heart you know he’s a RINO.


19 posted on 05/30/2008 6:47:54 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Paladin2
That's how it was spun. He tacitly endorsed gays in the military with a "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight statement." He defended Ronald Reagan when Reagan mentioned once that he felt too many law enforcement resources were devoted to stamping out soft drugs like marijuana. He also endorsed a local Democrat congressional nominee over a carpetbagger Republican who felt he was entitled to the seat in a Republican district. That's it.

He never endorsed special rights for any "group". His views were actually fairly consistent and libertarian over time. Lieberals like to claim they converted him. They never did.

20 posted on 05/30/2008 6:48:16 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: Uncledave

Where was the barf alert on this piece?


21 posted on 05/30/2008 6:53:09 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Like I tell my friends. I'm a one issue votter this year.
Iraq!! Iraq!! Iraq!! Iraq!! Iraq!! Iraq!! Iraq!! Iraq!!

If you are threatening to pull our boys out before they can claim victory.
I wont vote for them...
22 posted on 05/30/2008 6:54:31 AM PDT by phs3 (Call a terrorist a freedom fighter, I call you the enemy.)
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To: Uncledave

This is great news, now I can cast my vote for McCain and have no worry he will betray me like he did his conservative roots, his first wife, conservatives and America with his amnesty plan.

SCREW that sack-o-doo-doo McCain.


23 posted on 05/30/2008 6:54:40 AM PDT by stockpirate (McCain betrayed his conservative roots, conservatives and America. Screw McCain)
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To: piytar
I’m going to suck it up and take my aspirin. We will survive that, if not happily.

Survive? Yes, with somewhere between 10 and 60 million newly amnestied citizens. McCain, even this week, has indicated that he will continue his Comprehensive Immigration push.
24 posted on 05/30/2008 6:54:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Fox_Mulder77
Yeah, he got his turn at the wheel. But every one's too sleepy to pay McCain any attention. Either that or he's the "invisible man" on the campaign trail.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 05/30/2008 6:58:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Uncledave
Ok, so who will give the "A Time for Choosing" speech at the convention this year?

It's needed now as desperately as it was needed back then.

26 posted on 05/30/2008 6:58:59 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Uncledave

ROFLOL! McCain might resemble Goldwater in his advanced state of dementia when his young, liberal nurse-wife became the puppeteer! The only other thing they have in common is the state that elected both of them.


27 posted on 05/30/2008 7:01:12 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Fox_Mulder77

Obama=Messiah=doofus

Hillary=Thatcheresque=doofus

McCain=Goldwater=doofus

What a sorry bunch of democrats.


28 posted on 05/30/2008 7:03:18 AM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: Uncledave
This is hilarious, in a pathetic grasping-at-straws sort of way.

The Dems aren't the only ones trying to re-write history.

29 posted on 05/30/2008 7:08:24 AM PDT by browardchad ("We are all mavericks now." -- Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Dante3

That is exactly why I want to elect him. IF and that is a big IF, he picks a conservative running mate, we could well see that VP pick running things after a while.

I dont think McCain will serve out his first term.


30 posted on 05/30/2008 7:09:05 AM PDT by crz
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To: Uncledave
I take comfort in deluding myself that much of what this author writes is true.

I know exactly what you mean. The idea that it might be a good thing for the traitorous, self-worshiping McCain to be President of this country is a revolting absurdity -- until you weigh the proposition that the only alternative is to elect Barrack Hussein Obama.

It's mind boggling to consider how we got to this point. Honestly, it might be easier to rebuild the conservative cause from its current rubble after an Obama presidency than after a McCain presidency. On the other hand, Obama would do untold harm in four years of appointing socialist judges and advancing his Marxist agenda. Either way, it's a fine mess we have gotten into.

(Note: I regard McCain as a traitor to conservatism, not to the country.)

31 posted on 05/30/2008 7:11:06 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Uncledave

Now that’s funny. We need a follow-up article explaining that UP is the new DOWN and WHITE is the new BLACK also.

It’s quite amusing watching people make claims that are so obviously detached from reality.


32 posted on 05/30/2008 7:12:30 AM PDT by AmericanHunter
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To: Uncledave

Good article and McCain will make a fine President that the Country will be proud of.

Only 27 nasty McCain haters posted? What? Are your legions diminishing? Cool!


33 posted on 05/30/2008 7:12:34 AM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: Sybeck1

When I read the headline I thought that the author was predicting a 1964 type wipeout of McCain. I don’t think it’ll be that bad, but I think Obama wins comfortably.


34 posted on 05/30/2008 7:15:42 AM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: DManA

Like the rest of the political whores in DC, McCain bases his actions on what he thinks will benefit him politically. That’s why he stopped pushing amnesty last summer, because it would have killed him in the primaries.


35 posted on 05/30/2008 7:17:47 AM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: HappyinAZ
Good article and McCain will make a fine President that the Country will be proud of.

Wonder how you'll feel after McQueeg's amnesty and the MS-13 gang members move in next door.

36 posted on 05/30/2008 7:20:46 AM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: Sybeck1

“He shares the same views with Obama on Global Warming,”

Yup, and he’s also for the cap and trade scam. However, one big diff is McLame is for nuke power - lots of it. That is good for several reasons: It works, it helps us to get out from under the oil ticks, and it pits anti-nuke greens against pro-nuke greens. The last is a true “get the popcorn” factor.


37 posted on 05/30/2008 7:22:58 AM PDT by piytar
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To: piytar

Well, you can’t drive a nuke car, at least not yet. Still there may be new technologies he would probably endorse, steam powered cars with even cowcatchers welded to the front, and possibly one powered by rubber bands and springs. I could see where you could wind up a car every couple of miles you know....


38 posted on 05/30/2008 7:28:33 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Ronald Reagan Fought Regulation, John McCain Brought Regulation...)
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To: Vigilanteman

“He also endorsed a local Democrat congressional nominee over a carpetbagger Republican who felt he was entitled to the seat in a Republican district.”

Similar experience here in Ohio. Gov. Strickland (D) has been far better on 2nd Amendment, govt growth, pro-biz, and good govt than Gov. Taxt (Rl ever was. Not that I’m much of a Strickland fan, but he’s the headache after the nightmare that was Taxt. Between the two, I’d take the headache (D). Look at this election about the same way.

This is also a bit of a gamble. McLame is a politician. He is saying what he has to in order to lock the middle and even some of te Donk base. My bet is that when he gets in, he’ll shift right. Just like most of those “moderate” or “conservative” Donks shifted hard left once they got elected in 04.


39 posted on 05/30/2008 7:32:06 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Vigilanteman
He defended Ronald Reagan when Reagan mentioned once that he felt too many law enforcement resources were devoted to stamping out soft drugs like marijuana.

I very much agree with this assessment, as should any true conservative with an ounce of sense. The war on drugs has done more damage to the American way of life than anything since the New Deal.

-ccm

40 posted on 05/30/2008 7:33:56 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: piytar

“We will survive that, if not happily.”

I’m not so sure.


41 posted on 05/30/2008 7:56:50 AM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: LiveFree99; HappyinAZ

“Wonder how you’ll feel after McQueeg’s amnesty and the MS-13 gang members move in next door.”

Are you kidding? Happy’ll have a fiesta.


42 posted on 05/30/2008 7:59:32 AM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: Grunthor; HappyinAZ

Well, it is very PC to “celebrate diversity”!


43 posted on 05/30/2008 8:03:46 AM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: Uncledave

It’s no Goldwater—it’s only the new McStangelove.


44 posted on 05/30/2008 8:06:34 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: HappyinAZ

Good one...

45 posted on 05/30/2008 8:07:02 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: LiveFree99
but I think Obama wins comfortably

Don't believe everything you think...

46 posted on 05/30/2008 8:08:25 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: Uncledave

For some reason, I just cannot bring myself to say, “In your heart, you know he’s right”.

Younger folks should know this was a campaign slogan for Barry Goldwater. He was right then but the country didn’t know it.


47 posted on 05/30/2008 8:17:12 AM PDT by miele man
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To: piytar
My bet is that when he gets in, he’ll shift right. Just like most of those “moderate” or “conservative” Donks shifted hard left once they got elected in 046.

I hope you are right, but fear it is a false hope. The time he has spent kissing the ring of La Raza versus trying to mend fences with conservatives is particularly telling. Does he really have to shore up his La Raza credentials? Obama already supports amnesty and driver's licenses for illegal aliens. Does McCain think he is going to top that?

Sorry, but I still can't bring myself to vote for the guy. I would have much rather taken a chance on Rudi or Romney who, although they both governed ultraliberal northeastern constituencies, at least didn't take delight in p***ing on conservatives.

48 posted on 05/30/2008 8:30:31 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: Uncledave
Quin Hillyer says: “We certainly could do worse than to be stuck with.....[John McCain] as our own, infuriating, headstrong, bullying, honor-obsessed, indefatigable, and sometimes downright inspirational SOB.”

Always the same inspiring argument from McCain supporters:

Dear Conservatives,

Please vote for John McCain because everybody else is even more horrible than he is.

49 posted on 05/30/2008 8:48:11 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Or....OBAMA, booga booga!

Scared yet?


50 posted on 05/30/2008 10:24:09 AM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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