Posted on 05/24/2008 2:53:41 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
The Wisdom In Talking
By John F. Kerry Saturday, May 24, 2008; A21
As President Bush commemorated Israel's 60th anniversary by attacking Barack Obama from overseas, here at home he found an all-too-frequent ally: John McCain.
When Bush accused "some" -- including Obama, Bush aides explained -- of "the false comfort of appeasement," McCain echoed this slander.
"What does he want to talk about with [Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad?" McCain asked, fumbling to link Obama to the Iranian president's hateful words. Soon, a GOP talking point was born.
Lost in the rhetoric was the question America deserves to have answered: Why should we engage with Iran?
In short, not talking to Iran has failed. Miserably.
Bush engages in self-deception arguing that not engaging Iran has worked. In fact, Iran has grown stronger: continuing to master the nuclear fuel cycle; arming militias in Iraq and Lebanon; bolstering extremist anti-Israeli proxies. It has embraced Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and spends lavishly to rebuild Afghanistan, gaining influence across the region.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
I guess he should know what he’s talking about.
While American soldiers were dieing in Vietnam, he (while still commissioned in the USN) took it upon himself to commiserate with North Vietnamese leadership.
Wisdom and John Kerry in the same sentence?
This dumb dildock is the LAST person that should be advising anyone on foreign policy with respect to Iran.
Ok, so let’s talk then.
Iran kills American troops and vows to destroy Israel. Back to McCain’s question, “What do you want to talk about?”
Hey JK......the wise old owl kept his beak shut.
He is speaking at my son-in-law’s college graduation next week and he really wants us to go. Pray for us(lol)
John Kerry had a plan: To give nuclear fuel to Iran. Now Obama pledges cuts in our missile defense, space, and nuclear weapons programs while extending an olive branch to Iran, (pulling our troops from Iraq).
Every time Israel or the West have attempted to engage the Islamists, disaster has ensued. As a result of “engaging” Ayatollah Khomeini, for example, Jimmy Carter helped bring about the fall of the Shah, the American hostage debacle and 28 years of the Iranian jihad against the free world.
Moreover, far from refusing to have anything to do with Hamas, since 1991 Europe, America and Israel have all made repeated contacts with it through back channels. Yet far from moderating its stance, it has instead become even stronger through perceiving the weakness of a free world so desperate to mollify it.
Sep 15, 2007
Engaged to Hamas
By MELANIE PHILLIPS
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1189411406137&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
From a December 2003 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR):
"I have said before -- and I repeat today -- that the Bush administration should swallow its pride and reverse course. But the evidence is obviously strong that it lacks the wisdom or will to do so.
In fact, I fear that in the run-up to the 2004 election, the administration is considering what is tantamount to a cut-and-run strategy. Their sudden embrace of accelerated Iraqification and American troop withdrawal dates, without adequate stability, is an invitation to failure. The hard work of rebuilding Iraq must not be dictated by the schedule of the next American election.
I have called for the administration to transfer sovereignty, and they must transfer it to the Iraqi people as quickly as circumstances permit. But it would be a disaster and a disgraceful betrayal of principle to speed up the process simply to lay the groundwork for a politically expedient withdrawal of American troops. That could risk the hijacking of Iraq by terrorist groups and former Ba'athists. Security and political stability cannot be divorced. Security must come first, and that is why it is so imperative to succeed in building a genuine coalition on the ground in Iraq." ...more
http://www.cfr.org/publication/6576/making_america_secure_again.html
Sign the 180 or STFU, Hanoi John!
Actually, the Eropeans have been talking to Iran for 9 years. That has failed miserably. Force has yet to be tried.
Jon Carry understands nothing about these issues - I’d just like to know whether John McCain is starting to realize how bad a decision it was to take a rip at the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth back in 2004?
Really, John McCain, why did you lend yourself to defending this POS Jon Carry? Look at how warmly he repays your collegial ‘friendship’?
John Kerry talking about wisdom is like Keith Richards talking about abstaining from drug use.
Maybe his man servant didn’t give him peanut butter and grape jelly sandwich before this was written.
I think that this is the key to McCain’s denunciation of The Swiftboaters. He had been dogged by Samplely for years. Kerry had been Sampley’s second target. Samply had tried to align himself with the Swiftboaters and implied that he had a leadership role there. McCain looked at the Swifties and saw Sampley or similar.
He couldn’t have been more wrong.
"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small [American] flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.'..."
"The John Kerry quote comes in the epilogue to "The New Soldier," the book put out by Vietnam Veterans Against the War [VVAW]. The book's cover features a group of not-particularly sober-looking anti-war protesters (vets, presumably) flying the American flag upside down [while mocking the historic flag raising event at Iwo Jima]":
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1203164/posts
Note John Kerry's name at top right of The New Soldier
John Kerry: "...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."
"Under questioning from the Committee, Kerry referred to the democratically elected government of South Vietnam -- our allies -- as a "dictatorial regime, the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime," while respectfully calling the North Vietnamese communist regime we were fighting by its oxymoronic official name, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the murderous Viet Cong's political arm by their preferred "Provisional Revolutionary Government.":
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/lc20040428.shtml
From Frontpagemag.com:
During the question and answer period following his April 22, 1971 televised testimony before the Armed Services Committee of the United States Senate, Kerry said:
"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."
Even today, knowing what we know about the Vietnamese communists and about John Kerry, it is difficult to grasp the enormity of what he was confessing to. As an American citizen and a member of the United States Navy—while his former comrades and countless others were fighting and dying in Vietnam at the hands of Viet Cong guerillas and North Vietnamese regulars—Kerry consorted with the Viet Cong representative and discussed (“talked with,” he euphemized) her “plan.” That obscene plan included a trade: the return of our POWs for a withdrawal of American forces.
As John O’Neill expressed in his important bestselling book Unfit For Command, “. . . America could have its POWs back only if we agreed that we lost, then surrendered, and then set a date to leave.”
Kerry’s wartime trip to Paris was confirmed about six months ago by a campaign spokesman, who tossed it off as a mere “fact-finding” excursion.
Yet Kerry was apparently so impressed with the “facts” he found in company with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese that a few months after his return from Paris he had the effrontery to urge the President of the United States to accept his communist hosts’ plan for 'peace' in Vietnam."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15127
June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971
John Kerry and the VVAW--Hanoi's American Puppets?
"Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading national spokesman."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) Complete FBI files:
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=VVAWFBI
Good read. Thanks.
He was wrong then. He is wrong now. Other than more wrinkles and more money, he's the same SOB he always was.
Congressman Billybob
In short, not talking to Iran has failed. Miserably.
Respectfully Senator, we're not talking because we're trying not to go Warp 8 in reverse.
BTW: if any of you Vietnam vets want to help out a few old pals on a Yahoogroups list with very few remaining active members, please visit their sites and join up. I'm sure they'll be happy to have you. (they did not ask me to do this). The sites are:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allwarsanderaveterans/
And
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Proud-Honorable-Vietnam-Veterans/
I have heard there are groups of veterans and former N. Vietnam prisoners of war who are going to attack McCain for his conduct while at the Hanoi Hilton. Does anyone know anything about this?
You must have missed the news. He is now, for all intents and purposes, the senior Senator from MA. He’s trying to regain the gravitas (!) that he lost after telling his joke.
Billybob, you know better than to call a sitting Senator an SOB.
The proper term is sorry SOB.
“the people of Massachusetts (shame on them)”
Those who elect and re-elect Kennedy, Kerry, and Patrick are usually referred to as “Massholes”.
I’ve met some. They are very superior people.
As our esteemed Vice President Dick Cheney said to Leaky Leahy,,,
“Go f-ck yourself Ketchup Boy!”
And thus is born the Kerry Strategy for dealing with Iran.
1. Talk to them.
2. Find out what they want.
3. Give it to them.
Seems simple enough...
In August of 1968, a program of vigorous torture methods began on McCain, using rope bindings into painful positions and beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[84][79] Teeth and bones were broken again, as was McCain's spirit; the beginning of a suicide attempt was stopped by guards.[79] After four days of this, McCain signed and taped[94] an anti-American propaganda "confession" that said, in part, "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died, and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors."[79] He used stilted Communist jargon and ungrammatical language to signal that the statement was forced.[89]. Source
Also see:
John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Account
By John S. McCain III, Lieut. Commander, U.S. Navy;
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html
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November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience: "I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
Source: http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas: "We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right."
--Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971
From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."
Source for most of the Jane Fonda material:
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
Thanks for the invite. I’ll check those sites out..
My advise to treasonous Kerry is “go pound sand.”
Does he still want a kinder, gentler war on terror?
Kerry is offered $1 million if he proves the Swift Boaters lied
"Only if the money includes a wife," says Kerry
we had Leonard Pitts in town last week..........ugh
Do you think McCain has realized Kerry and these other nitwits were never really his friends?
listen stooopid... when good and evil compromise... Evil, ALWAYS, WINS!!!
The words “wisdom” and “Kerry” should never be used in the same sentence.
Enjoy Your Son-In-Law’s Graduation and try to ignore any words uttered by the Anti-American POS Traitor who is a Hanoi War hero who still conspires with the Enemy today as the POS did so long ago. May he spend Eternity with the Devil, itself.
I guess Kerry’s Iran lobbyist donors from 2004 are calling in their favors.
May I suggest the PERFECT graduation gift for your son-in-law? (i think i already did)
Being from Massachusetts, I agree more idiots reside here then not.
blah...blah..blah.. John F-ing Kerry has no influence at all.
John Kerry, the name’s familar. Hey, wasn’t he in Vietnam?
I’ve also met some Massachusetts natives who are proud gun owners.
They keep talking about a mysterious Brigadoon-like place known as “western Massachusetts”.
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