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The fear of white decline
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 19, 2008 | Editorial

Posted on 05/23/2008 8:46:19 PM PDT by Lorianne

Hillary Rodham Clinton is right. She has the broader and whiter political coalition, so she should, by all rights, be the Democratic presidential nominee.

After all, in other realms of the political process, we routinely refer to "black districts" or "Latino districts" and speak of the necessity of those jurisdictions to be represented by black or Latino elected officials. Well, then, because the American population is 66% white, maybe the United States is a de facto white district that should be represented accordingly.

Don't scoff at the idea. Ethnic and racial self-determination have been underlying factors in the formation of modern nations. Israel is one example, along with anti-colonial revolutions and states in the Third World. The principle of ethnic self-determination made its way into the United Nations Charter, and it lurks in contemporary domestic discussions about the political and cultural rights of every kind of minority.

The Clinton campaign's assertion of her electability based on "hardworking white American" voters reveals deep divisions in the Democratic coalition. But it isn't a sign of the resurgence of white supremacy in America. Rather, it is a formal re-articulation of whiteness as a social category and a racial interest group.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; blackvote; cw2; hillary; whitevote
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1 posted on 05/23/2008 8:46:19 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Statistical Abstract of the United States
Section 1, Population
[see especially Table 8 & Table 9, pages 11-13]
PDF FILE: pop.pdf

CAUCASIAN

ASIAN

BLACK

HISPANIC

USA Fertility Rates by Race

Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities
By D'Vera Cohn and Tara Bahrampour
Wednesday, May 10, 2006; Page A01
washingtonpost.com

...Forty-five percent of U.S. children younger than 5 are minorities...


2 posted on 05/23/2008 8:50:01 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: Lorianne

Any mention of “La Raza” = The Race? The racist Latino organization. The Klan with a tan

How about racist organizations for blacks such as Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s church? And the Black Muslims

Hey China is 99.99% Chinese. That must mean China is a racist nation. Same for Japan which which is 99% Japanese


3 posted on 05/23/2008 8:53:09 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Hey China is 99.99% Chinese.

The majority "race" in China is the Han, and they can be quite chauvinistic. Just like everybody else.

4 posted on 05/23/2008 8:56:44 PM PDT by thulldud (Congress does not want answers. They want scapegoats. (andy58-in-nh))
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To: Lorianne

all of this was decided by the u.s. congress in 1965.


5 posted on 05/23/2008 8:57:31 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Lorianne

Wow, if anyone else made comments like these, the LA Times would deride him as a racist...


6 posted on 05/23/2008 8:58:00 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Lorianne

The bigger question is, will all the new arrivals turn American into what they left behind? It has been impossible that many cultures would ever have produced political and economic systems that would have brought freedom and opportunity to most of their members. Will those from failed cultures begin to unwittingly drag down the culture of the USA, in the name of ethnic pride, down to the level of what was left behind?


7 posted on 05/23/2008 8:59:50 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
Will those from failed cultures begin to unwittingly drag down the culture of the USA, in the name of ethnic pride, down to the level of what was left behind?



In a word, yes.
8 posted on 05/23/2008 9:05:26 PM PDT by Das Outsider (This has been an interesting exchange; have a nice day.)
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To: thulldud

Yep. I always remember a documentary I saw years ago about one of those Amazon tribes. One B&W film clip featured some very animated gibbering and gesticulation, seemingly at the edge of violent confrontation. Well, it was a trading parley. The subtitle read, “... What about me! Don’t you think that I want a hammock too!” .... YEAH!


9 posted on 05/23/2008 9:06:38 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Will88

That you ask those questions indicates they haven’t done a good job of integrating into the melting pot yet and aren’t likely to begin to do so as the temperature rises.

We’re looking at the balkanization of America, there will be areas carved out by culture, color and language and there will be continual bloody fighting between the groups.


10 posted on 05/23/2008 9:07:31 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: Will88
The bigger question is, will all the new arrivals turn American into what they left behind? It has been impossible that many cultures would ever have produced political and economic systems that would have brought freedom and opportunity to most of their members. Will those from failed cultures begin to unwittingly drag down the culture of the USA, in the name of ethnic pride, down to the level of what was left behind?

Will those from failed cultures begin to unwittingly drag down the culture of the USA????

 

Is there any question!!?? They began, successfully, about 20 years ago.

11 posted on 05/23/2008 9:11:33 PM PDT by antonia ("Information is terrain and someone will occupy it.")
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To: Das Outsider

“In a word, yes.”

And a great many of them believe (or must believe out of pride) that the USA and its white people exploited and stole all their affluence from poor nations, and except for that the poor nations would be the affluent.

So, there’s nothing unique about the USA, at least according to many from failed societies. We just stole it all and they’re gonna take it back, as is their right.

Or they’ll just turn parts of the USA into what they left behind.


12 posted on 05/23/2008 9:15:24 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Lorianne
More BS from the MSM. But there is hope- NPR read a great letter today from a caller who took issue with Geraldine Ferraro's whining about Hillary. The caller nailed the issue with:
"Suggesting that we vote for Hillary because she is a woman is sexist; suggesting that we should vote for Obama because he is black is racist. Suggesting that we should vote for the best qualified candidate - that is Democracy!"

13 posted on 05/23/2008 9:26:05 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: Will88
So, there’s nothing unique about the USA, at least according to many from failed societies. We just stole it all and they’re gonna take it back, as is their right.

The mission statement of Reconquista.



"California is going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe."

--Mario Obledo, co-founder and former President of MALDEF
14 posted on 05/23/2008 9:28:59 PM PDT by Das Outsider (This has been an interesting exchange; have a nice day.)
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To: Das Outsider
Will those from failed cultures begin to unwittingly drag down the culture of the USA, in the name of ethnic pride, down to the level of what was left behind?

Illegal immigration has made things worse, but citizens -- those who can vote -- are responsible for allowing government, government-run education, and government-distorted health care to descend to the depths they have. If we had decent schools, the graduates might have figured out what was happening to them and put a stop to it.

15 posted on 05/23/2008 9:41:40 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Wipe the national hard drive and reinstall the Constitution.)
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To: ken21

“all of this was decided by the u.s. congress in 1965.?”

Well, yes. And whites who decided not to have kids anymore.

The sad thing is that there is practically no way to stop this. Unlike France or Italy, my guess is that our nation has no will to stop this whatsoever. We’ve already destroyed our oneness. Minority populations are too large for our politicians to ever consider not placating them.

It would take another September 11. Or at least a move away from familial immigration to immigration based on skill, which is a much better move, anyway.

Otherwise we’re going to continue to be swamped with minority groups who place very little emphasis on education and come from societies who have failed and who failed throughout history.

That said, when you look at the number of babies produced in the United States, it’s pretty evident it’s already too late.


16 posted on 05/23/2008 9:42:22 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Will88

What we have most to fear is not white decline but a failure by new immigrants to assimilate.


17 posted on 05/23/2008 9:59:28 PM PDT by Catmom
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To: AZLiberty
Illegal immigration has made things worse, but citizens -- those who can vote -- are responsible for allowing government, government-run education, and government-distorted health care to descend to the depths they have. If we had decent schools, the graduates might have figured out what was happening to them and put a stop to it.

It is a mutual affair. Government-run education certainly deserves a share of the blame; there is plenty of it to go around.

Who left the gate open?
18 posted on 05/23/2008 10:05:06 PM PDT by Das Outsider (This has been an interesting exchange; have a nice day.)
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To: Lorianne; dennisw
I spent alot of time working in Panama. Whites comprise 10% of the population in that country, yet have all of the economic, and much of the political power.

In other words, I aint worried. Good night!

19 posted on 05/23/2008 10:10:10 PM PDT by Clemenza (Why do I Find Myself Attracted to Amy Winehouse?)
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To: Lorianne
My beeber is stunned! Finally even the Los Angeles Times liberals see nothing wrong with being white. This after years of dismissing white people as having white supremacy leftover complex.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

20 posted on 05/23/2008 10:16:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

We’ve already destroyed our oneness.

What the hell is oneness? Do you mean the oneness that the European explorers decided to share with the native peoples of this great land. Or the oneness that the Europeans who trafficked African slaves to this country decided to share with them?


21 posted on 05/23/2008 10:34:39 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Lorianne

Tell me about the day when Argentinians and Mexicans and Bolivians and Puerto Ricans all consider themselves equal.


22 posted on 05/23/2008 10:48:05 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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To: Lorianne

The last thing America needs is Balkanization along ethnic/racial lines. We conservatives need to make sure that America is divided along philosophical lines, and to that end, we need to pound home how the socialist ideals of the Democrats are just a cover for the plantation ideals of the elitists, “We know what’s best for you”.


23 posted on 05/23/2008 11:35:30 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
See my tag line. In my opinion, the most important words of the Constituion!

...to ourselves and our Posterity...
24 posted on 05/24/2008 12:10:32 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: brwnsuga

What in the world are you talking about in regards to the European explorers and the African slaves?


25 posted on 05/24/2008 12:12:59 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: brwnsuga

“What the hell is oneness? Do you mean the oneness that the European explorers decided to share with the native peoples of this great land. Or the oneness that the Europeans who trafficked African slaves to this country decided to share with them?”

That you have to even make such assinine questions is ridiculous. Venture back to a post-WWII America and get back to me.


26 posted on 05/24/2008 12:42:22 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Catmom

Bullseye!


27 posted on 05/24/2008 4:16:53 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: brwnsuga

brwnsuga ~ it appears you should be posting on huffington....

after all....you obvioulsy support the illegal hordes invading and destroying the US like locusts in the fields and support b. HUSSEIN ~ the closet muzzie running as a Christian lib/dem trying to gain total access over US policies!!!!


28 posted on 05/24/2008 4:47:52 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Catmom

“What we have most to fear is not white decline but a failure by new immigrants to assimilate.”

I’d say what we have to fear is the decline of the values that made successful nations successful. And, for the past 500 years of history, the successful nations have overwhelmingly been those with cultural roots in Europe, and the people happen to be white.

We don’t have to debate at all which nations have been overwhelmingly successful. We only have to note the direction of the movement of people, legal and illegal.

Culture and values matter. Zimbabwe is one of the prime examples, much celebrated as the British influence was forced out and replaced by different ways of doing things. South Africa and parts of the US and Europe are places to watch.

Assimilation is an old idea that doesn’t really apply when such large numbers of newcomers from other cultures are allowed to enter legally and illegally. What we see now are mini enclaves of most any culture with large enough numbers to create a Little ______.


29 posted on 05/24/2008 4:57:25 AM PDT by Will88
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To: dennisw; thulldud

I don’t think 99.99%, more like 80% are ethnic Han. You’re right — they are chauvanistic and many of the other groups in CHina have been assimilated — like the Manchu, Jurgen, Mongols, Tai, Tibetans, Sichuanese, etc.


30 posted on 05/24/2008 5:08:55 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Lorianne

Whites can maintain a majority but if the majority of the Whites are of the Clinton/Pelosi/Kennedy/
Hollywood mindset we’re still screwed.


31 posted on 05/24/2008 5:39:29 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Will88

“Will those from failed cultures begin to unwittingly drag down the culture of the USA, in the name of ethnic pride, down to the level of what was left behind?”

Very likely, and history tells us this will be so.

Between 1890 and 1920 the US imported 20 million immigrants from eastern Europe. Many were the proto-Marxists of their day. (The newspapers referred to this group as the “red flag wavers.”}

They gave us the income tax, direct election of senators, women’s sufferage, militant unions, the rise of the bureaucratic dictatorship and the destruction of many outstanding capitalist ventures, such as Calumet & Hecla Mining Co.

Importing 60 million new socialists, communists and welfare bums will not help this republic a bit.


32 posted on 05/24/2008 5:54:02 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: Will88
The bigger question is, will all the new arrivals turn American into what they left behind? It has been impossible that many cultures would ever have produced political and economic systems that would have brought freedom and opportunity to most of their members. Will those from failed cultures begin to unwittingly drag down the culture of the USA, in the name of ethnic pride, down to the level of what was left behind?

One hundred years ago we had no welfare programs and we got the ambitious who came here for the opportunities to succeed. Now we get people who come here for the welfare benefits. People on welfare can afford to have lots of kids, while the middle class can't afford kids because tey're paying taxes to support a bunch of parasites

The only solution is to abolish welfare. If the underclass women had to support their own kids by working McDonalds, they would get themselves sterilized.

33 posted on 05/24/2008 5:55:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
The Bureau of the Census projects that by 2050 non-Hispanic whites will be 50% of the population, down from the 89% they were in 1965. Hispanics will be 25%. The Pew Research center estimates that by 2050, non-Hispanic whites will be 47% of the population and Hispancs of all colors will be 29%.

This huge demographic shift is primarily due to immigration, legal and illegal.

34 posted on 05/24/2008 5:59:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: brwnsuga
What the hell is oneness? Do you mean the oneness that the European explorers decided to share with the native peoples of this great land. Or the oneness that the Europeans who trafficked African slaves to this country decided to share with them?

Those same "Europeans" gave us the world's oldest democracy whose contributions to mankind across a broad spectrum of areas have made this world a better place to live. America is more than just a country, it is an idea that has universal appeal. The fact that millions of people around the globe are trying to enter this country any way they can speaks volumes about our "oneness."

35 posted on 05/24/2008 7:28:10 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Dr.Zoidberg; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; ...
We’re looking at the balkanization of America, there will be areas carved out by culture, color and language and there will be continual bloody fighting between the groups.

Yes. And the sooner we start choosing some areas for our autonomous area the better. It's ain't gonna be Los Angeles!! Here are some suggestions and organizations.

(Note: none of these are racial organizations. All are interested only in preserving the traditional freedom we Americans have enjoyed and doing away with the egregious octopus government that is strangling us.)

Face it we are hopelessly out numbered by state power loving freaks in most places. Either we gather together to amplify our power, or we see the never-ending march of Socialism across the entire American landscape. Yes, we have to give up some territory.

Whether or not this will be peaceful or not we don't know. Your comment suggests it may not which also obligates me to summon the CW2 ping list.

Here are the links:

Wyoming

New Hampshire has its supporters.

Western Alliance for Liberty is looking at Wyoming, Montana and Idaho.

State of Jefferson would like to carve out Northern California and Southern Oregon

36 posted on 05/24/2008 9:02:13 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: sergeantdave

Nice post. Don’t expect your clarity to be fully appreciated though.


37 posted on 05/24/2008 9:07:39 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama is for the Deliverance Was A Documentary crowd)
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To: Jack Black; archy; Travis McGee

Col. Ulius Louis Amoss’s concept of “Leaderless Resistance” is valued in my circle yet has been sadly taken over by supremacist groups of all colors as their own charter. It is still something that is a book shelf asset to study as is Sun Tzu etc ......

Stay Safe JB I am off too the gun show in the big city today !


38 posted on 05/24/2008 9:10:38 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: sergeantdave; wardaddy; hiredhand; Gilbo_3; Travis McGee; Lurker

BTTT Ping


39 posted on 05/24/2008 9:13:11 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; wardaddy

Sometimes I wonder how many other young couples are waiting too long to have children because they ‘cannot afford it’ :(
A poor man’s riches are his children though. Every time I go to visit my mom in NY, ther are more and more people moving in, more and more kids and I can totally see the white and black birth rates taking the great plunge together in the big cities. OTOH, the young white girls where I are have their kids young and lots at a time, three at a time. I hate to say this but it’s so strange to see large white families then go to New York and see one or two kids. So there’s my race/ethnic commentary for the weekend!


40 posted on 05/24/2008 9:13:53 AM PDT by cyborg (Living Strong every day since March 12, 2008)
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To: dennisw
Hey China is 99.99% Chinese.

China has a lot of different ethnic tribes as does most of Asia. They may all look alike to you but they know otherwise.

41 posted on 05/24/2008 9:14:31 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

yes, but racially..

China is almost exclusively Mongoliod.


42 posted on 05/24/2008 9:28:48 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama is for the Deliverance Was A Documentary crowd)
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To: wardaddy
And India is almost exclusively Caucasoid. Yet they are classified as "Asian" when you look at American racial make up.

And there is no such thing racially as "Hispanic". They are either Caucasoid, Mongoloid or Negroids.

Race is either as broad or as narrow as it needs to be to prove whatever point someone is trying to make.

43 posted on 05/24/2008 9:50:23 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Cronos

I know what you are saying but all in all China is run for the Chinese and no one else. By Chinese I mean Han and others who consider themselves Chinese


44 posted on 05/24/2008 9:57:48 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: brwnsuga
Assuming for a moment that you are the descendant of slaves brought to America, do you wish that your ancestors had not been brought here, and that you had been born instead in Ghana, Sierra Leone or Nigeria?

Not trying to be argumentative, I'm just really curious about your thoughts on this matter.

45 posted on 05/24/2008 10:02:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Jack Black
Here are some suggestions and organizations.

I would suggest coastal states, you're going to need access to deep water harbors for trade and travel.

Anything landlocked severely restricts ones options.

Having a border with Canada/mexico isn't going to be nearly as useful for a regional alliance trying to survive during wartime.
46 posted on 05/24/2008 10:02:09 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: sergeantdave; wardaddy

Very good post. The past is prelude.


47 posted on 05/24/2008 10:03:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg; Jack Black
There are many considerations. High on my list is not living on an ethnic fault line. If we ever go “tribal,” it will be very ugly to be in a mixed area.

Water is also a big concern. Scratch Los Angeles, Phoenix, etc. Without imported water arriving from far far away, they are Mad Max in a month.

The ability to grow food locally is also important, if the transportation infrastructure collapses, and the local Safeway is not restocked.

48 posted on 05/24/2008 10:07:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
They may all look alike to you but they know otherwise. Boy, do they ever! LOL. Also, I keep hearing about "the terrorist monks in Tibet" from my Chinese speaking wife who watches a lot of Chinese TV. Quite amusing to mention to my liberal friends. She is particularly disdainful of "the terrorist leader, the Dali Lama".
49 posted on 05/24/2008 10:08:52 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

Kind of like a Gult’s Gulch? Just what I’ve been waiting for!

Please add me to your ping list.


50 posted on 05/24/2008 10:09:56 AM PDT by JZelle
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