Posted on 05/21/2008 5:29:06 PM PDT by pissant
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) is backing the renewal of a $250 million-a-year program that will pay illegal immigrants’ hospital bills.
The very idea that McCain is again supporting a program that some view as rewarding illegal immigrants is certain to attract attention from the same conservatives he’s trying to win over for the White House.
The measure, which would reimburse hospitals for the cost of treating illegal immigrants, has broad support from both parties, including from some immigration hardliners and Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.).
Even some of McCain’s toughest critics on immigration admit it is a relatively benign program. But McCain’s association with it underscores his rift on immigration with the right wing, which sees him as championing amnesty for illegal immigrants.
“It’s another reminder that he’s ‘Amnesty John,’ ” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, who nevertheless has no major objection to the proposal. “It’s another reminder of his role in promoting not just amnesty but promoting illegal immigration in the first place.”
An aide to McCain said the Arizona Republican stands by his position.
Federal law forbids hospitals from turning anyone away from emergency rooms, regardless of immigration status or ability to pay for care. Hospitals have been complaining for a decade about the increasing financial burden they bear treating illegal immigrants. Congress responded by creating this funding stream in 2003; it is set to expire at the end of the fiscal year.
McCain is not alone in supporting the program. Sens. Elizabeth Dole (R-N.C.) and John Cornyn (R-Texas), who are illegal immigration hardliners, also support it.
Yet McCain sponsored legislation with Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) that would offer a path to citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants. This damaged his credibility with conservatives, and they do not trust him on the issue.
Though the bill did not pass, many conservatives view the McCain-Kennedy legislation as a black mark on McCain’s record.
McCain adopted a harder stance on the campaign trail as his primary opponents painted him as soft on the issue. Since he emerged from the field as the GOP’s presumptive nominee, McCain has steered clear of immigration whenever possible.
Some staunch immigration reformers detest the hospital-funding program as a giveaway to lawbreakers. Conservatives like Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) maintain that hospitals should be required to ask patients about their immigration status to identify people in the country illegally.
The hospital industry and many lawmakers, especially those from border states, say the funding is critical to keep the facilities open. Hospitals and ambulance services in Southwest border states provided more than $200 million in free emergency care to illegal immigrants in 2000, according to a study commissioned by Congress.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
I have a better idea. How about no health care (absolutely none, zip, nada) for Illegals. Instead charter busses, if necessary, to take them back to the border and sove them over to their own side. We owe these people absolutely nothing. We have Americans who do without medical care and charity should start at home. I am sick of these generous bleeding heart politicians who feel good doing their good deeds with other people’s money.
sove = shove.
He should be haunted by those who are murdered and raped by illegals, those who have lost their jobs because of illegals, those who don't get the medical attention they should because their neighborhood hospital closed because of illegals and the children who are not getting the education they should because of illegals.
Do you suppose McCain ever thinks about them?
Like a snake,McCain is always true to his nature.I look at the candidates for President this year and I think I know how the good citizens of Rome must have felt.(Just before the whole society fell apart)
McCain obviously isn't trying to attract anyone but Independents. ...the political center. He figures that given B-HO's ultra-left creds there's a big chuck of them to be had, and he's right. He also figures fear of B-HO will get conservatives to the ballot box no matter what, so siding with illegal aliens (as he has always done) done won't hurt him much at all.
not one freakin’ bit unless it is guessing just how many of the savages are gonna vote for him.
He should have been forced to call the soldier and mother serving in Iraq to tell her that her son had been murdered by an illegal alien.
McCain isn’t willing to assume responsibility for his decisions,much less the consequences of those decisions.
McCain’s positions have been flaunted for decades.
Hey, Team Juan shills! Tell us again abour how your boy has "heard America" on the subject of illegal immigration!
Tell us again how he's really "a fiscal conservative!"
Oh geesh, *snicker*. I am sure I would not hold my breath for the preprogrammed responses from the McBots.
I am sure the McBots are actually Obama supporters, they are doin’ it for Barry. Do it for Barry.
Sounds like something I have heard befo’.
Hey bj you haven’t posted any McCain propaganda recently.
Come over and defend this POS.
McCain once again shows his Socialist nature.
Which of the three stooges do we vote for, Moe McCain, Curly Obama or Shemp Clinton?
Earlier today someone who is a McCain fan posted that they hope John would come out soon with a no-gay marriage amendment.
Perhaps we’ll find out his position on that tomorrow. He shuns much conservative talk radio, but tomorrow he’s going live on the Ellen DeGeneres Show. CBS, Wednesday, 4 p.m. Pacific.
The big “Ellen” news this week is her announcement to marry her long time girlfriend per California deciding to sanction such unions.
I’ll be watching. Popcorn anyone?
You’ll have to watch for me. I can’t possibly sit down to watch Oprah, Ellen, Dr Phil or any other daytime idiot without losing my lunch.
Ah sheesh, please, I believe I won’t be home at the time. Thank heavens.
Tomorrow Juan will champion gay marriage.
I cannot stands no more.
LOL!
The News about Tomorrow’s News Making Show!
May 21, 2008 | Posted at 5:40 PM
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Since federal law forces the Hospitals to care for the illegals then the federal gov should at least foot the bill!
(250mil does NOT cover the bill)
Hospitals should be exempted from the rules mandating care. Charity hospitals used to exist in large number...they can again. 20 bed wards and all...
Change the law then
The "New American Pioneers" proclaimed in his book are the illegal alien invaders he urges to become settlers in the USA. Hernandez believes all Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA should become dual citizens and consider themselves Mexicans first, "to the 8th generation." He believes there should be no border at all between Mexico and the USA, ever.
And this is the man McCain chose for his "Hispanic Outreach Director." When McCain was asked about this choice, he said he chose Hernandez because he agrees with his positions. If so, McCain is supporting invasion and reconquista.
Then I read our Constitution, Article 4 Section 4, where it says the federal government MUST protect the states from invasion, and I can only conclude one thing: John McCain is a new Benedict Arnold.
LMAO. How many posting points for an entire vanity thread, BTW?
The reward, in that particular instance, involves a personal visit from McCain, himself; a feathered boa; and the theme to A Summer Place. ;)
We don't "see" anything. We KNOW it. For God's sake, the man sponsored blanket amnesty and benefits for 15 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, and millions more of their relatives that have yet to sneak over the border. There is no interpretation required.
McCain is trying to win us over? I hadn’t noticed.
I still say we should scrap McLame for Michael Steele.
I have a better idea. EVERY citizen who visits any hospital should just tell them....I have no social security # and am illegal. You would hear the doctors and hospitals screaming for things to change when they had to eat that many bills.
Is he aware that some American citizens don’t have health insurance? Couldn’t that quarter billion be better spent elsewhere?
Si se puede!
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LET US COUNT THE WAYS JUAN IS A LOSER
Phony Joey Lieberman lied his way into office---he took a poll so he knew pro-life votes were there for the taking. Lieberman calculatedly told religious pro-life leaders, he would be good on abortion (as opposed to pro-abortion incumbent Weicker). When Lieberman got in w/ pro-life votes, he showed his true colors, becoming the Senate's most ardent abortion facilitator---voting six separate times for p/b abortion.
Billy Kristol's daddy, Irving, was Giuliani's foreign policy adviser. The Kristols were forced to drop their first choice---when RINO Rudy tanked like a deadweight down a 300 ft cistern. B/c these people have a total lack of principles---they joined up with the perfect partner for the unprincipled----McCain.
Shortstuff Billy Kristol (Fox pundit) and his daddy are cheerleaders for the current admin's most destructive polices----including the failed amnesty provisions and trillions of dollars bleeding into the Mideast hellhopes and into the pockets of war profiteers.
These people are a shadow government intent on destroying the political process and removing the conservatism they abhor---they are obsessed with religious cleansing of the Repub party and kicking conservatives to the curb. Billy Kristol and his daddy are in that nauseating group of big-government globalists that include Lieberman, Giuliani and Hernandez.
Daddy Kristol announced the shape of things to come, and I quote: "The historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be.....to convert the Republican Party and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy."
LOL! So, McCain is true to his word. He is setting about to comprehensively "reform" the republican party by remaining an advocate for not only illegals but protecting the global citizenship of polar bears as well. Next up, comprehensive homo nuptial reform. Whatever it takes to bring in those votes.
In earlier times the problems/costs of illegal immigration fell disproportionately on the border states. These medical costs are but one example.
When the congressional delegations from the border states tried to get Congress to reimburse the border states, they would be unsuccessful.
But, as the illegals began to spread out to other parts of the nation, other states began to have the problems/costs also.
Thus, as the article points out, in 1993 Congress passed legislation to reimburse(partially) the states.
So while you may think it is significant that McCain(border state) supports this, in reality, the significance is that enough congressmen from non-border states passed this in 1993.
BTW, if you are interested in knowing, it was Kyl, with the help of Bush, who got the legislation thru Congress in 1993.
Some people make their argument based on "the way things ought to be"
Yeah, kinda like those loons from way back- The Founding Fathers. What the hell were they thinking? Too bad McCain, little billy Kristol and the Chamber of Commerce weren't around then to set them straight.
This is a typical McCain move. Backing a program that is too small to do anything good and sticking a finger in the eye of conservatives at the same time. $250 million will not even pay for ER services to illegals in Los Angeles. Pitiful.
I can't say with certainty, so I'm going to assign you the duty of "lookin' it up" to see if it is "judicial law".
Assign yourself the task and win a McCain coffee mug to take with you to the next chamber breakfast taco speech. Now shoo and go check up on your illegal lawn service crew before they start staring at those Obama yard signs too much.
Some people can’t distinguish between the problem and a symptom of the problem. ...
Wow! What an elitist pinheaded insult!
We see it *very* clearly, and we also see another failure by McCain to come out CLEARLY on the amnesty and illegal problem.
He did no such thing.
Fact is, he is in favor of these things, and he shows it daily.
Take McCain. Please.
Up til now, McCain hasn’t been haunted enough..
The Ghost of Invasion Past is still here.
It was Texas Fed Judge Wayne Justice who made the original decision on educating illegals or children of illegals.
When the court overturned Prop 187 in CA, the basis was Judge Justice's earlier decision. Likewise, as cities and states are implementing laws to deny benefits to illegals, they are careful not to violate the mandate
So, I will assume this law on not denying emergency medical care was a result of Judge Justice's decision.
Now, this just applies to emergency medical care only. But what we see in the real world is that these "Public Hospitals", funded by tax dollars, are providing more than just emergency care. Or, these hospitals located close to the border are providing services to Mexican Citizens who are not illegal aliens, but cross to receive the benefit, then return home. Or, we see state health depts who cross into the Mexican border towns to provide services.
Your next assignment, should you chose to accept it, is to determine why the medical community goes beyond what the court mandated.
Are those “McCain 2008” breakaway crotchless panties made in Mexico, by any chance?
Got news for you, I don't take assignments, orders or directives from illegal labor profiteers hell bent on making a cheap buck rather than protecting legitimate American citizens' interests. You need to get back to assigning Miguel on which lawn to cut first. It'll be more effective for you than spewing orders here. BTW, are these guys part of your Home Depot pickup team?
You are right about one thing. I'm not interested in anything you're hawking.
Well, I’ll leave you to wallow in the collective self deception, but the key to understanding the issue is to understand the property and sales taxes.
Spoken like a true condescending elitist. Did McCain insipre that line or was it little Billy Kristol?
Not so much a elitist, but definitely contemptuous of the populists, especially the cultural populists.
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