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Karl Rove Amazed: Obama Can't Put Hillary Away
Newsmax ^ | May 21, 2008 | Rick Pedraza

Posted on 05/21/2008 4:24:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Karl Rove, now a political analyst and contributor for Fox News, Newsweek, and The Wall Street Journal, believes the Democratic nomination will go to Sen. Barack Obama, but Rove is amazed that Obama can’t put Hillary Clinton away.

“It’s awfully close,” he told the cast of "Fox & Friends" this morning on the Fox News Channel, “and yet, he can’t put it away,” Rove says.

“I think what [Obama] saw in Oregon was the rumor that the polls were closing, and that‘s why he spent most of last weekend in Oregon rather than going on the offensive and trying to take away something in Kentucky,” Rove says.

“It’s like, he only gets 30 percent of the vote in Kentucky, but feels compelled to go to Oregon. And even then, in that state, which is full of granola eaters and Birkenstock wearers, he gets 58 percent of the vote, and she gets 42 percent.”

Rove added, “The problems that Barack Obama has with working class voters are real, and they’re not going away. It’s cultural. They view him as an elitist — as somebody who’s condescending and doesn’t share their values.”

Also, in Rove’s opinion, “Obama should not have gone to Iowa last night and said, ‘I’ve got a majority of the elected delegates.’ Let somebody else do that. He should have focused on substance, not try to say, ‘[look at me], I’m ahead.’”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: election; elections; hillary; ky2008; obama; operationchaos; or2008; rove
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1 posted on 05/21/2008 4:24:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rove is a very interesting analyst. I pretty much like to hear whatever he has to say. He states facts and is clear in his thinking, unlike the sissy democrat “analysts.”


2 posted on 05/21/2008 4:29:01 PM PDT by Huck ("Real" conservatives support OBAMA in 08 (that's how you know Im not a real conservative))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary said today she is taking her attempt to seat the disputed delegates to the convention. My guess is she will do exactly that.


3 posted on 05/21/2008 4:29:10 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And even then, in that state, which is full of granola eaters and Birkenstock wearers...”

Is this satire, or did he really say that?


4 posted on 05/21/2008 4:29:23 PM PDT by gate2wire
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rove is right, Hussein is an idiot. The Dems are fooling themselves if they think Obama can win in November. Obama has the hard lefties & black vote locked up. Now its the other 75% of the voters he will have problems with winning over.


5 posted on 05/21/2008 4:31:17 PM PDT by frankjr ("Era, era, era...I have a headache that won't go away. Oh well, bottom's up!")
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To: Uncle Hal
Hillary said today she is taking her attempt to seat the disputed delegates to the convention. My guess is she will do exactly that.

Unless they figger a way to stop her before August. I hope they don't.

6 posted on 05/21/2008 4:32:04 PM PDT by Huck ("Real" conservatives support OBAMA in 08 (that's how you know Im not a real conservative))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This board is conflicted about this, but I say:

I am VERY worried about Obama winning in ‘08.

I know Hillary is shrewd and cunning, but I would STILL rather her win than Hussein.

The fact that Obama will most likely be the nominee makes me support McCain all the more (which I’m sure McCain is counting on).

Read my tagline.

Everyone who supports Israel needs to vote for McCain even if you loathe him.


7 posted on 05/21/2008 4:34:19 PM PDT by TNLawyer (McCain '08......This is NOT the year to abstain just because we don't have the ideal candidate.)
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To: frankjr

“Rove is right, Hussein is an idiot. The Dems are fooling themselves if they think Obama can win in November.”

I really hope you are right.


8 posted on 05/21/2008 4:35:44 PM PDT by TNLawyer (McCain '08......This is NOT the year to abstain just because we don't have the ideal candidate.)
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To: gate2wire
No satire about it....!

It's the truth!


9 posted on 05/21/2008 4:37:26 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (And I DON'T want to have to change my name to They'reBack2008!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rove was equally amazed the GOP lost so many house and Senate seats in 2006. Even Ted Williams failed to get a hit 6 or 7 times out of 10. Even Neil Armstrong missed a word or two as he stepped on the moon. Even some Hillary Clinton supporters still think she has a lock on the nomination.

Snortin’ Barry Obama has put it away, long ago. She just won’t lie down.


10 posted on 05/21/2008 4:37:39 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: Uncle Hal

Yep...the Clintons will soon be taking their party to court.


11 posted on 05/21/2008 4:40:23 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the RATS would prefer to gouge their own eyeballs out than embrace any Republican rule such as seating half the delegates because of violation. Since Obama isn’t a stand-up guy in the first place, there’s absolutely no reason to expect him to show leadership in this situation.

Or any situation for that matter.

Rove and the RNC misread 2006 terribly. Hope he’s got a better handle on this election.


12 posted on 05/21/2008 4:40:47 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I didn't leave the republicans, they left me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"And even then, in Oregon, which is full of granola eaters and Birkenstock wearers, he gets 58 percent of the vote, and she gets 42 percent.”

Uberliberals just love Barry.

13 posted on 05/21/2008 4:45:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Interesting stuff from Mr. Rove. Byron York also had a piece up on NRO today talking about how Hillary may well carry the popular vote.

To have her win the popular vote but lose the nomination would be incredibly useful for convincing Dems to stay home, or even crossover. Shaping up to be very interesting.

14 posted on 05/21/2008 4:47:19 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: TNLawyer
I know Hillary is shrewd and cunning, but I would STILL rather her win than Hussein.

I felt the same way a few months ago, but since then, I've seen Barry O stumble. He doesn't walk on the same water in May that he did in January. But then, the lake was frozen, wasn't it?

If he limps into the White House, he will have to deal with:

1) No more RINOs to cozy up to, all that will remain of Republicans generally are the rock-ribbed, who will be tasked with the job of opposing everything he does.
2) Hillaryite feminazis who want him to fail so their 'girl' can say a big fat, "I told you so!"
3) The far left, who will be flat-out opposition to him when he does not withdraw half of the troops from Iraq within the first hundred days of his administration.
4) The idealistic dreamers who thought that just by chanting the word "Change" enough times, you could stop political bickering, make the price of oil come down, restore American jobs, have peace guide the planets, and love rule the stars.

He's going to have a damned rough time of it, and will set the table for the grown-ups (true conservative Republicans) to take over, starting with the 2010 mid-term elections.

Everyone who supports Israel needs to vote for McCain even if you loathe him.

Won't make a difference in my case, I live and vote in NY, where even Jerimiah Wright would get the state's electoral votes if he were the Rat candidate this year. Also, if Israel decides that Barry O is unable to stand by them, they nuke Tehran, something even Bush and McCain would never have the testicular fortitude to do. That's one less target for a true conservative President to hit in 2013!

15 posted on 05/21/2008 4:49:35 PM PDT by hunter112 (The 'straight talk express' gets the straight finger express from me.)
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To: TNLawyer
I am VERY worried about Obama winning in ‘08. I know Hillary is shrewd and cunning, but I would STILL rather her win than Hussein.

I agree with you 100%. We know what to expect from Hillary. I think Obama is a great white shark in guppy clothing. I see him as extremely dangerous.

16 posted on 05/21/2008 4:51:52 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Politics is the ultimate exercise in facing reality and making hard choices.)
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To: TNLawyer

another 8 years of your clintons

and i’ll puke!


17 posted on 05/21/2008 4:58:38 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Wolfstar

Obama is the anti-christ plain and simple.Things like his being worshipped just dont happen by chance. Something evil this way comin!


18 posted on 05/21/2008 5:04:24 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Have you noticed the grin on Hilbarry's...oops, Hillary's face lately. There's something up somebody's sleeve and I think it's an ace.

Obama is touting her effort and resilience. Well, he's already in on the plan when the Superdelegates nominate her (surprise!, not) where he'll graciously accept VP (they tipped their hand with the former 'offer'). The blacks leaving the plantation will suddenly find themselves buying a return ticket.

This will buy "unity" that not even a Nader can put asunder. (ironically, this will be the nadir moment in our nation's history). Since it's the Democrat's "turn" to serve in this game of politics, McCain will have to pull a rabbit outta his *ss to win in November. "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outta my....."

19 posted on 05/21/2008 5:07:59 PM PDT by budwiesest ('08 election will pull back the curtain to reveal the worst. Be prepared.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If I were a Dim, I'd be very worried that Barry can't close the sale even with the Dim base. He's done well where he can pack caucuses with students and Chardonnay and Brie types, but he can't win primaries in old line Dim states because the voting base, blue collar Dems, won't vote for him. That bodes trouble for the fall, when he's got to sell swing voters.

Their solution is to pressure the two of them to kiss and make up, with Hillary taking the Veep slot. It could be a tough ticket to beat.

20 posted on 05/21/2008 5:10:18 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: hunter112

Great points.


21 posted on 05/21/2008 5:12:03 PM PDT by Radix (Think it is bad now? Wait until you have to press "2" for English!)
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To: TheWasteLand
"To have her win the popular vote but lose the nomination would be incredibly useful for convincing Dems to stay home, or even crossover. Shaping up to be very interesting."

Reminiscent of Al Gore's 2000 popular vote "victory" yet President Bush gaining the White House. Pray tell, how do they explain how that was "bad" in 2000 but okay in 2008?

22 posted on 05/21/2008 5:14:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: colorado tanker
Their solution is to pressure the two of them to kiss and make up, with Hillary taking the Veep slot. It could be a tough ticket to beat.

If the people in the "old line Dim states" won't vote for Barack for president, they won't suddenly do so if Hillary is veep in the hopes that all the reasons they wouldn't vote for him alone will somehow mysteriously be nullified by her presence as Al Gore.
23 posted on 05/21/2008 5:15:35 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: TNLawyer

See my tagline, as well...


24 posted on 05/21/2008 5:15:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

I predicted that here about 3 weeks ago. 2000 all over again. And that’s why I don’t think they’ll (The Clintons)try again in 2012 the way some are already espousing. The longer they fight, the more people they piss off. I think they realize it’s now or never.


25 posted on 05/21/2008 5:22:58 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pray tell, how do they explain how that was "bad" in 2000 but okay in 2008?

Quite the pickle no? Much gnashing of teeth and baying at the moon would ensue, with lots of hurt feelings. And the more hurt feelings, the more Dems who stay home.

26 posted on 05/21/2008 5:23:05 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If the states that voted on Super Tuesday had been spaced out instead, Hillary would be the nominee. She's won a majority since those early primaries and caucuses.

What does this mean? Even Dems realize Obama is unelectable.

27 posted on 05/21/2008 5:27:13 PM PDT by Aristotelian ("Sock it to me!" Judy Carne)
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To: colorado tanker
with Hillary taking the Veep slot. It could be a tough ticket to beat.

Close. Now reverse the ticket.

28 posted on 05/21/2008 5:30:21 PM PDT by budwiesest ('08 election will pull back the curtain to reveal the worst. Be prepared.)
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To: aruanan
they won't suddenly do so if Hillary is veep

You're getting hotter. Remember the movie "The Sting"? The end to this primary will satisfy the Clintons.

29 posted on 05/21/2008 5:32:24 PM PDT by budwiesest ('08 election will pull back the curtain to reveal the worst. Be prepared.)
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To: ken21

If Hillary ends up the candidate, we still have a LOT to thank her for. The horror that is Obama she will have vanquished.

Add to this what I am STILL saying. Obama has NO BALLS. Some may say that he knew better than to contest Kentucky. But I say, you may think you know where to pick your battles, but the problem is you don’t always have the choice when it comes to international relations (aka Iran). All the ass kissing, the phony stands, the pretense at being tough. I need to puke.

The next four years, we will need, desperately, somebody who has balls, and is willing to cut balls off. Obama absolutely does not qualify in that regard. Sorry guys, Hillary does. McCain, maybe. Now, I am not so sure with the revelation that he did not even know that his campaign manager was a liberal democrat!!!!???!!! God help us all.


30 posted on 05/21/2008 5:32:56 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: Uncle Hal

I heard on a cut on the radio a little while ago where Hillary said of the Michigan and Florida primary voters that if the Democrats don’t want their votes, maybe John McCain will.

She might end up being John McCain’s VP pick.


31 posted on 05/21/2008 5:34:26 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pray tell, how do they explain how that was "bad" in 2000 but okay in 2008?

Recall that, after the 2000 debacle, Hillary said she'd introduce legislation as senator from New York to abolish the Electoral College. (If you had to abolish a college, I can think of a few higher on the list.)

32 posted on 05/21/2008 5:35:52 PM PDT by budwiesest ('08 election will pull back the curtain to reveal the worst. Be prepared.)
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To: aruanan
I hope you are right. Even if its Obama/Clinton, you might have a more unified Dim party, but lots of Reagan Democrats hopefully would still dessert them and Hillary's high negatives could prevent otherwise making up for their loss.
33 posted on 05/21/2008 5:46:37 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...Rove is amazed that Obama can’t put Hillary Clinton away.

I'm not surprised that Rove is "amazed"... After all, he and Bush couldn't manage to "put Gore or Kerry away" either. Each of those elections should have been blow-outs, yet Rove and Bush only managed to squeak by and nearly lost them both...

34 posted on 05/21/2008 5:49:23 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: All
The title of this thread should arguably read, "Karl Rove Amazed: The MSM Can't Put Hillary Away."

And speaking of the MSM, why don't we seize the opportunity provided by the MSM's deification of Obama to permanently de-claw the IRS and get God back into the public school classrooms?

After all, not only will the next president automatically have war-time, Commander in Chief responsibilities, but this post (<-click), while addressing taxes, helps to explain why rookie government "leaders" like Obama are actually in contempt of the Constitution that they have sworn to defend, foolishly following in the footsteps of FDR's dirty federal spending politics.

In fact, the article referenced below shows that Obama is the #1 federal spending proposer in the Senate for '08; Clinton is #2.

Obama, a big-shot federal spender
And this post (<-click) exposes how corrupt justices then began using FDR's politically correct license to ignore the 10th A. to unlawfully stifle traditional family values, including the USSC's scandalous legalization of abortion in Roe v. Wade. Note that the post first references two non-abortion cases in order to show Roe v. Wade in a different, troubling perspective.

In fact, consider that the states have the constitutional power (10th A.) to authorize public schools to lead non-mandatory (14th A.) classroom discussions on the pros and cons of evolution, creationism and ID, as examples, regardless that atheists, separatists, pagan-minded judges and the MSM are misleading the people to think that doing such things in public schools is unconstitutional.

The people need to reconnect with the Founder's division of federal and state government powers. The people then need to wise up to the major problems that, since the days of FDR's dirty politics, Congress has not only not been operating within the restraints of the federal Constitution, particularly where constitutionally unauthorized federal spending is concerned, but the USSC has wrongly been ignoring the 10th A. protected power of the states to address religious issues.

The bottom line is that the people need to get in the faces of judges, demanding that judges uphold their oaths to defend the 10th A. protected powers of the states to address religious issues - or get off the bench. The people also need to send big-shot, Constitution-ignoring federal spenders like Obama home as opposed to trying to send people like him to the Oval Office. The people need to get in the faces of members of Congress, demanding a stop to constitutionally unauthorized federal spending while appropriately lowering federal taxes - or get out of DC.

Lincoln put it this way.

"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln, Political debates between Lincoln and Douglas, 1858.

35 posted on 05/21/2008 5:53:05 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: All

Awesome video:

The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.


36 posted on 05/21/2008 5:54:17 PM PDT by cyberella
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Duh Karl, Bill has been trying to put the woman away for years. He never has acheived that. Why would you think a beaten down by his wife guy, like Obama could? Michelle is wearing the pants and running the show. Barry is a speaker only.

I am no Hillary fan, but hey, she knows many people hate her and she keeps on ticking like the energizer bunny.

If nothing else, she is a formidable opponent.


37 posted on 05/21/2008 6:00:15 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That scenario, however, would mean that Obama could lose the popular vote, which would support Clinton’s long-standing argument that she should be the nominee. - Karl Rove

Obama has already lost the popular vote. The Democrats took away the delegates but they can't negate the vote.

38 posted on 05/21/2008 6:03:39 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: They'reGone2000

What the heck is that picture? A hippy convention?


39 posted on 05/21/2008 6:04:47 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The next 4 years will be brutal for whoever wins in November. While I think Obama would fall on his smug face, because it will be no time to implement his policies of wealth redistribution all over the nation and the globe, he could do a lot of damage with his radical ideology from which we may never recover. If McCain wins, it WILL be GWB term 3, he’ll get the blame for oil prices and a sinking economy. BHO will have 4 more years of experience and a big ‘I told you so’ will sweep him into office in a far better position to stage his revolution. Hillary might be our best bet, as a 1 term president who has enough cojones to nuke somebody who really needs it. What was that Dolores Claiborne quote? “Sometimes being a b1tch is all a woman has to hang on to...”


40 posted on 05/21/2008 6:05:08 PM PDT by informavoracious (Freedom Isn't Free)
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To: Amendment10

You know, that time keeps coming and going. In fact, that happens a few times a day.

Nobody’s picked up the reigns from Henry Bowman.


41 posted on 05/21/2008 6:14:17 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: colorado tanker; budwiesest
Even if its Obama/Clinton, you might have a more unified Dim party, but lots of Reagan Democrats hopefully would still dessert them and Hillary's high negatives could prevent otherwise making up for their loss.

Think back to 1984. Could you imagine saying the same thing if Walter Mondale had taken Jesse Jackson as his veep candidate? Mondale had had a LOT more experience in government than either Hillary or Obama or both of them put together and multiplied by 4. Jesse Jackson at that point had had a lot more real time experience of using the threat of government action or lawsuits to fleece big corporations than Obama ever will. Obama's conned the liberal intelligentsia. How difficult is that? Jesse Jackson extorted (through the threat of suits and boycotts) big bucks from major corporations. Obama is trivial by comparison. If he didn't look like the little guy from The Gods Must Be Crazy and sound like Dan Rather, he'd have had no more success than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, his Ivy League degrees nothwithstanding.

Mondale and Jackson wouldn't have been any more credible together than they were apart. And putting them together would have summed their negatives rather than enhanced anything positive. The same is true of Hillary and Obama. Each candidate has huge negatives that the presence of the other candidate on the ticket won't ameliorate. Obama and his followers will be pissed off if he's demoted to being the official funeral visitor for foreign heads of state serving at the pleasure of an inexperienced white woman. And Hillary and the Womyn will be pissed off if she who has blown Obama out of the water in the truly important big electoral states is demoted to run under someone who on the basis of experience alone, if white, would never have gotten the top of the ticket: The Suffragettes aren't going to sit Jim Crow for an Affirmative Action Jackson doll, no matter how big his smile or how many dreamy phrases he runs off when his string is pulled.
42 posted on 05/21/2008 6:19:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Amendment10
rookie government "leaders" like Obama are actually in contempt of the Constitution that they have sworn to defend,

So true, A-10. The thought of someone like this placing his hand on a bible (or Koran, or Mad Magazine for that matter) and 'swearing' to defend a document he'd rather use as a doormat is very troubling.

I await a bolt of lightning to strike those who take lightly the honor bestowed upon them, whose duty it is to implement the genius behind this country's founding and to follow it to the letter.

43 posted on 05/21/2008 6:23:23 PM PDT by budwiesest ('08 election will pull back the curtain to reveal the worst. Be prepared.)
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To: bioqubit

obama must have balls,

or he wouldn’t have

produced those kids!


44 posted on 05/21/2008 6:49:39 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Huck

When Hillary says something—she means it. I believe she hates Obama with a purple passion and will all in her power to keep him from the White House even if it wrecks the Dimocrat party, her own changes, and everything else.


45 posted on 05/21/2008 6:51:25 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: aruanan
If he didn't look like the little guy from The Gods Must Be Crazy and sound like Dan Rather,

LOL! The media loves Obama and, was it the Dems "turn" in '84? Had Regean done his 'eight' years? See, something's going on behind the scene we just don't get yet. We're being Three Card Monteyed.

$4.00/gal gas, home value bubble popped, war with Iran..err, Al Queda,err Hezbolla..err, Hamas..err, the whole middle east (where the oil comes from). Inflation about to raise it's ugly head. Butt, Gay marriage is now legal in California (again).

Times have changed. The candidates have adapted as well. It'll be Clinton/BHO or my name isn't Coorswiesest.

46 posted on 05/21/2008 6:56:35 PM PDT by budwiesest ('08 election will pull back the curtain to reveal the worst. Be prepared.)
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To: wastedyears
What the heck is that picture...

I know a lot of oregonians. They are mostly ex-Kalfornia and dress like that in the hope that it will stop the rain. Sort of like a reverse rain dance.

47 posted on 05/21/2008 7:00:15 PM PDT by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: budwiesest
You're getting hotter. Remember the movie "The Sting"? The end to this primary will satisfy the Clintons.

I mentioned that movie about a month ago on a thread. I tend to agree with you. It seems like the only logical way they...

...have a chance to win the presidency

...continue this un-ending propagandist coverage, imprinting the electorate & effectively shutting out ANY message McCain & his veep may have...

...give their shallow-minded, sycophantic supporters a reason-for-living, we-are-the-world orgasm.

It would be the greatest sting in the history of politics on planet earth.

48 posted on 05/21/2008 7:12:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I find alarming is that the media (mainstream) is firmly in Obama’s corner. He is supposed to be a politician and does not know how to use the media to his advantage. This is the same guy that wants to be the leader of the “Free World”?

It is disturbing that he is not even utilizing resources that are right in front of him, which is a sign of solid management and leadership (sarcasm intended).


49 posted on 05/21/2008 7:21:21 PM PDT by Sledgehamme (If it takes until you are in your 30's or 40's to be proud of your country. You need to move!)
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To: ken21

Well...you need to think about MO, Hussein’s loud mouthed Jerimah wright loving other half.


50 posted on 05/21/2008 7:21:34 PM PDT by Sadie5
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