Posted on 05/21/2008 2:10:15 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Democrats are starting to wonder: is Sen. Joseph Lieberman some sort of Republican plant?
The Connecticut senator describes himself as an "independent Democrat," but today on the Wall Street Journal op-ed page, Lieberman called out Sen. Barack Obama by name as one of the "old voices of partisanship and peace at any price" that re-emerged after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to challenge President Bush at great potential cost.
... Increasingly, prominent Democrats are privately saying that if Lieberman actively works to defeat Obama, assuming he is the nominee, they cannot imagine him as a member of the family much longer. Lieberman has been only marginally allied with the party since his 2006 re-election, when he was beaten in the Democratic primary by Ned Lamont, then won a three-way general election race as an independent.
Lieberman still belongs to the Senate Democratic caucus, and he chairs the important Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee. But in addition to endorsing McCain, Lieberman has said he would be willing to speak at the Republican National Convention.
Taking action against Lieberman in the short term -- most drastically by ejecting him from the Senate Democratic caucus -- would likely cost the party its majority status, given the current 51-49 split. But many prominent Democrats are discussing the possibility of giving Lieberman the boot after the election, assuming the Democrats pick up Senate seats.
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Calling it as he sees it. Very refreshing.
Tit for tat. McCain was sent by the liberals.
Lieberman was kicked out of “the family” of Democrats. How can they expect him to have party loyalty?
How he’s treated will depend on the November election results. If they need his vote to keep control of the Senate, they will make nice with him. If the Dems. gain Senate seats in November, they will cut him loose.
The Dims will pick up 3-5 Senate seats, and Joe will be the loneliest man in Washington.
Yep, I think McCain will pick Joe Lieberman as his VP nominee, making Joe Lieberman a great political trivia answer for centuries to come.
Who ran as Vice President for two seperate major political parties?
but Chuck Hagel is a man of principle
“Democrats are starting to wonder: is Sen. Joseph Lieberman some sort of Republican plant?”
He certainly is, just as McInsane is a democrat plant.
The solution is obvious...... throw him out of the party.
We have a winner!
Well, the Dems are nothing if not opportunists. They bought Jim Jeffords to change sides, and then dumped him when he was no longer useful.
Lieberman is fairly sound on foreign policy, but he is a liberal on just about everything else. I wouldn’t expect him to come out against abortion any time soon, for instance.
And the Dems may be concerned about gaining 60 votes in the Senate, rather than just 50 or 51, because that would give them cloture. The way the RNC and McCain are kicking it away, they may just get it, too.
March 13, 2003
Measure Title: A bill to prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion.
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Losing the Dem primary in CT is probably the best thing that ever happened to Lieberman. It freed him up to be a total independent (which means you tick off both R’s and D’s). He bought into the liberal Dem philosophy before that party went so far left on all of us. He is, tho, way too liberal on domestic issues to make it in the Republican caucus. Or not.
Lieberman is Jewish.
He is not a Woody Allen Jew, but a Jew who wants to see Israel continue to exist.
Thinking Jews who care about Israel cannot support Barry.
If the Pubs would like to win re-election and pick-up seats:
Stand on the steps of Congress and promise to begin immediate drilling and refining of our own petro resources.
Promise to refuse govt services for those who are in the country illegally.
As a Conservative, I welcome Lieberman’s support on military and foreign policy issues.
But let’s be realistic.
On taxes, spending, judges, immigration, and religious issues, Lieberman is a rock solid left wing Democrat.
Too bad Lieberman didnt vote with the GOP this year. Next year the dems will kick him out when they don’t need him.
Kicking Lieberman out after November isn’t the only “goody” dems have in store for us. In states as well as in Congress, they plan to really screw us after the elections.
But there is no way a conservative candidate this side of Reagan could have won in 2008. This nation is on a 16 year cycle and has been for decade after decade. Democrats win for 8 years, then Republicans win the presidency for 8 years. Then its the Democrats turn.
From 1952 to 1960 it was Republican time with Ike. Then from 1960 to 1968 it was Democrat time with JFK and LBJ. Then from 68 until 76 it was Republican time with Nixon/ Ford. Then Came Jimmy Carter and it took a terrible job by Carter and a great campaign by Reagan for Reagan to win after only 4 years of Carter. But by 1992 we were back on track with Clinton for 8 followed by Bush for 8.
This is the democrat year and there was not a Reagan in site.
But there is one way that a Democrat years can turn out to not be a Democrat year. That is when the Democrats run a full fledged leftist and the Republicans run a RINO. A Rino can beat a far left liberal. A conservative can not beat a far left liberal. Barry Goldwater tried it and failed. Rino Nixon tried it against McGovern and won.
So we have a RINO against a far leftist. Some on this site are so mad at the RINO voters for sticking together and not fighting among themselves like the conservatives did, that they are not going to vote.
They think it is better to screw up the nation with a far left government, and then people will know to elect a real conservative in 2012.
You don't have to be dumber than a sack of rocks to believe that, but it does not hurt if you are. What Obama and his Democrat controlled Senate and House will do is end talk radio. They have been talking about it for months now. The second thing they will do is make web sites like FR illegal. That will just about destroy all of the so called new media.
You say they would not dare? Well LBJ made talk radio illegal from 1977 until Reagan finally got it over turned in 1988. In 1998 and only by 1988 was it legal for Rush Limbaugh to do a political talk show. And if Obama gets elected and Harry Reid gets a filibuster proof senate then it will happen.
Roosevelt even made it illegal to criticize any thing about the government and WWII. All war reports had to go through government censors. And people don't even consider that Obama would make it illegal to criticize the government. Don't bet your rear end that he won't, because you are gonna lose your rear end.
Then how could we tell people to defeat Democrats any way but going door to door. The news will be what ever the MSM wants it to be, and what you know will be what the media and government choose to tell you.
The people on the far right and on the far left are very much alike. There were so many on the left that voted for Nader in 2000... in Florida for example they cost Gore the presidency. They told us there was not a dimes worth of difference between Gore and Bush. They believed that so they voted for Nader. Yes to the Greeies Gore was no greener than Bush.. But does anyone on the right think Bush is as green as Gore? No way.
Today there are fools that think that McCain is as liberal as Obama. If they elect Obama they will soon find out how liberal he is.
When the terrorists arrive to blow up your kids or grand kids school, you can console yourself at the mass funeral by saying... at least I didn't vote for that damned McCain.
Masterfully put.
You need to post more often. This post is the most rational I have read all day.
Thank you.
If I recall correctly, Lieberman quietly supported the pro-life agenda until he was selected to run for VP by Gore -- whereupon he recanted his past apostasy.
Ping! Thanks for being the “voice of reason”!
Spot on
I agree on the drilling and refining. It was once said that voters vote their pocketbooks.
Drilling for oil will get votes.
You need to saddle your horse to a winner. I like Joe. He is a good guy. Honorable knows his stuff. Buy he is a demacrat and its hard to accept him on a GOP ticket. Hey. I’m a jew. But I want a winner in November. J
Joe has been there with Al Inventor of the Internet Gore. They lost. We need a winner for a VP. Picking Joe would not be a winning ticket.
If that was the ticket. I would vote for McCain-Lieberman.
Like removing the cap on FICA. Now that sucks.
Hypocrites....
You really have to be careful with your commentary, you are making WAY too much sense!
/sarcasm
Lieberman has never worked a day in his life outside government. No way can he be someone I would consider supporting for VP.
You are are so right. Who would want a guy who had spent his life working in government actually running government. That is so stupid.
It’s the same as if you needed heart surgery. You sure wouldn’t want want a guy who had spent his whole life doing heart surgery operating on you. Hell he might know how to do it. Couldn’t have that now, could we?
We won’t be able to win. Senate cloture remember.
Nonsense. Our masters in government believe they own us precisely because they have been in government all their lives. Give me a congress of honest citizens who have made their way in this world any day over this cabal of party hacks working to destroy this Republic and enslave us.
Joe has moved passed the Senate. He has Secretary of State on his mind these days in a McCain administration.
JL has never had to work retail, where you have to satisfy the customer or they don't come back.
He has never got calluses on his hands from lifting boxes, or nailing boards, or operating any kind of equipment whatsoever.
Sure, I want a VP who knows his way around government, so that he can be effective. However I also want someone who knows something other than government, so he understands who he is working for and what he should be working towards, rather than acting as so many do, as if he is one of our lords and master.
Just what we need. A politician who is told that the State Department plans a new covert strategy to handle the problems in South America. The plan needs his approval so he says... “Dang Good thing I know how to sell shoes in a department store or I might make the wrong decision.”
And when asked to approve funding for a new secret weapon that some say is great and others say is waste of money, it is so good to say... “I know how important calluses are for making high tech decisions and knowing who is telling the truth. If I hadn’t lifted all those boxes in the warehouse, I might make the wrong decision”
And you have no idea how important knowing how to nail boards is to deciding if the Justice Departments proposed budget is justified or not.
You may not know it, but is always true. Smart people work with their brains, others work with their hands. In case you haven’t noticed people who work with their hands end up with the short end of the stick and those that work with their brains end up with lots of perks and money. Those who work with their hands end up with calluses. They spend their lives taking orders from those who work with their brains.
Hourly workers don’t become congressmen. Some pretend to be. George Washington chopped down the cherry tree... Yeh. He was also the richest man in the USA. He and Bill Gates have that in common. Bill does know how to shovel. He turned over the first shovel full of dirt when they started building his 58 million dollar house.
Abe Lincoln was born in a log cabin. But he was a very successful lawyer (working with his brain) as an adult.
Congressmen and Senators are mostly lawyers, some are former successful business men, and there is even one or two who used to practice medicine as Md’s. Nearly all have College Degrees and none of them have a callouses on their hands. Some do have them on their butts.
It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars to run for congress and millions to run for the senate and a hundred million to run for president. Ask Hillary how that works. No one can earn that kind of money or get the support of people who can donate that kind of money working with their hands.
Did you ever wonder how the elite manage to control the votes of the far larger number of voters who work with their hands? The most important skill one can possess is the ability to get others to do what you want them to do.
Getting people to vote against their own best interests is one very effective way. One way is to get the working class to waste their votes on people who have zero chance of being elected.
You are dreaming the impossible dream. Your problem is you don’t know it.
You have completely missed the point I was making, which is that Lieberman has had an entirely isolated existence; one that is almost completely separate from real-world struggles and issues.
I wasn't making a "brains vs. brawn" argument at all - something that a closer reading of what I actually posted would have made apparent.
Tell me how experience as a young man working retail (which is not working with your hands) would work against someone who has shuld be trying to have "most important skill one can possess is the ability to get others to do what you want them to do" .
The point I was making, obvious to everyone else on this thread except you, is that working only in government does not result in a balanced worldview or philosophy and thus, the person will not be able to make the best decision.
Real World? So government is not of the real world.. is that your position?
Here are some examples of goverment in the real world...
The air you breathe is regulated by government.
The food you eat is regulated and inspected by government.
The sidewalk you walk on is specified and regulated by government.
The street or road you travel on is owned and maintained by government.
The speed, gas mileage and safety of your car is regulated by government.
You can not legally drive a car without the goverments permission. And you must get the goverments permission (license plates) to even take a car on a government owned road. You have to have a government issued drivers license as well as a government issued car license.
The airplane in which you fly must be directed, and flown by only those who have gotten government approval. It has to be designed to meet government standards. A plane cannot be sold whose design has not been goverment approved.
The headache pill you take must be approved by goverment. The doctor who treats your illness must be licensed by government.
The lawyer that draws up your will must be licensed and regulated by government.
The dentist who fixes your teeth has to be tested and licensed by government.
To build a house requires a goverment issued building permit.
To legally gamble requires a government issued gambling permit.
The amount of clothes you must wear is determined by government.
The person who cuts your hair is licensed by the government.
A person who charges for cleaning teeth must be licensed by government.
What a person can do with land they own is determined by Zoning regulations.. land usage is controlled by government not the owner.
The mattress you sleep on has to be inspected and approved by the goverment.
The wage and hour law determines the wages you must be paid and the number of hours you may work. That is more goverment.
Where you can get rid of trash is regulated by government and what it costs to dump it is decided by goverment.
Everything you say and do has to be within the bounds of what government says is legal to say and do.
It is a heck of a lot easier to think of all the things in the real world that goverment controls, rather than think of something that government does not control
The goverment does not control what time the sun comes up and sets .. unless you consider Daylight savings time.
There is not an area of the REAL WORLD where goverment is not a major player. What part of, "Those in goverment are in the business of controlling the real world." escapes you? What goverment does is regulate, control and enforce the goverment will on every facit of the real world
What world are you living in? It cannot be here on earth.
Quantity does not equal quality. Something I learned working retail.
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