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McCain on the Issues - Climate Change
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Posted on 05/21/2008 10:19:04 AM PDT by Bob J

Climate Change

John McCain will establish a market-based system to curb greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, mobilize innovative technologies, and strengthen the economy. He will work with our international partners to secure our energy future, to create opportunities for American industry, and to leave a better future for our children.

John McCain's Principles for Climate Policy

• Climate Policy Should Be Built On Scientifically-Sound, Mandatory Emission Reduction Targets And Timetables.

• Climate Policy Should Utilize A Market-Based Cap And Trade System.

• Climate Policy Must Include Mechanisms To Minimize Costs And Work Effectively With Other Markets.

• Climate Policy Must Spur The Development And Deployment Of Advanced Technology.

• Climate Policy Must Facilitate International Efforts To Solve The Problem.

John McCain's Cap and Trade Policy

John McCain Proposes A Cap-And-Trade System That Would Set Limits On Greenhouse Gas Emissions While Encouraging The Development Of Low-Cost Compliance Options. A climate cap-and-trade mechanism would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions and allow entities to buy and sell rights to emit, similar to the successful acid rain trading program of the early 1990s. The key feature of this mechanism is that it allows the market to decide and encourage the lowest-cost compliance options.

How Does A Cap-And-Trade System Work?

A cap-and-trade system harnesses human ingenuity in the pursuit of alternatives to carbon-based fuels. Market participants are allotted total permits equal to the cap on greenhouse gas emissions. If they can invent, improve, or acquire a way to reduce their emissions, they can sell their extra permits for cash. The profit motive will coordinate the efforts of venture capitalists, corporate planners, entrepreneurs, and environmentalists on the common motive of reducing emissions.

Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Timetables

2012: Return Emissions To 2005 Levels (18 Percent Above 1990 Levels)

2020: Return Emissions To 1990 Levels (15 Percent Below 2005 Levels)

2030: 22 Percent Below 1990 Levels (34 Percent Below 2005 Levels)

2050: 60 Percent Below 1990 Levels (66 Percent Below 2005 Levels)

The Cap And Trade System Would Allow For The Gradual Reduction Of Emissions.

The cap and trade system would encompass electric power, transportation fuels, commercial business, and industrial business – sectors responsible for just below 90 percent of all emissions. Small businesses would be exempt. Initially, participants would be allowed to either make their own GHG reductions or purchase "offsets" – financial instruments representing a reduction, avoidance, or sequestration of greenhouse gas emissions practiced by other activities, such as agriculture – to cover 100 percent of their required reductions. Offsets would only be available through a program dedicated to ensure that all offset GHG emission reductions are real, measured and verifiable. The fraction of GHG emission reductions permitted via offsets would decline over time.

Innovating, Developing and Deploying Technologies

To Support The Cap And Trade System, John McCain Will Promote The Innovation, Development And Deployment Of Advanced Technologies. John McCain will reform federal government research funding and infrastructure to support the cap and trade emissions reduction goals and emphasize the commercialization of low-carbon technologies. Under John McCain's plan:

Emissions Permits Will Eventually Be Auctioned To Support The Development Of Advanced Technologies. A portion of the process of these auctions will be used to support a diversified portfolio of research and commercialization challenges, ranging from carbon capture and sequestration, to nuclear power, to battery development. Funds will also be used to provide financial backing for a Green Innovation Financing and Transfer (GIFT) to facilitate commercialization.

John McCain Will Streamline The Process For Deploying New Technologies And Requiring More Accountability From Government Programs To Meet Commercialization Goals And Deadlines.

John McCain Will Ensure Rapid Technology Introduction, Quickly Shifting Research From The Laboratory To The Marketplace.

John McCain Will Employ The Inherent Incentives Provided By A Cap-And-Trade System Along With Government-Led Competitions As Incentives For New Technology Deployment.

John McCain Will Foster Rapid and Clean Economic Growth

John McCain Believes An Effective And Sustainable Climate Policy Must Also Support Rapid Economic Growth. John McCain will use a portion of auction proceeds to reduce impacts on low-income American families. The McCain plan will accomplish this in part by incorporating measures to mitigate any economic cost of meeting emission targets, including:

Trading Emission Permits To Find The Lowest-Cost Source Of Emission Reductions.

Permitting "Banking" And "Borrowing" Of Permits So That Emission Reductions May Be Accelerated Or Deferred To More Economically Efficient Periods.

Permitting Unlimited Initial Offsets From Both Domestic And International Sources.

Effectively Integrating U.S. Trading With Other International Markets, Thereby Providing Access To Low-Cost Permit Sources.

Establishing A Strategic Carbon Reserve As A National Source Of Permits During Periods Of Economic Duress.

Early Allocation Of Some Emission Permits On Sound Principles. This will provide significant amount of allowances for auctioning to provide funding for transition assistance for consumers and industry. It will also directly allocate sufficient permits to enable the activities of a Climate Change Credit Corporation, the public-private agency that will oversee the cap and trade program, provide credit to entities for reductions made before 2012, and ease transition for industry with competitiveness concerns and fewer efficiency technology options.

A commission will also be convened to provide recommendations on the percentage of allowances to be provided for free and the percentage of allowances to be auctioned, and develop a schedule for transition from allocated to maximum auctioned allowances. Cap-and-trade system will also work to maximize the amount of allowances that are auctioned off by 2050.

John McCain Will Provide Leadership for Effective International Efforts

John McCain Believes That There Must Be A Global Solution To Global Climate Change. John McCain will engage the international community in a coordinated effort by:

Actively Engaging To Lead United Nations Negotiations.

Permitting America To Lead In Innovation, Capture The Market On Low-Carbon Energy Production, And Export To Developing Countries – Including Government Incentives And Partnerships For Sales Of Clean Tech To Developing Countries.

Provide Incentives For Rapid Participation By India And China, While Negotiating An Agreement With Each.

John McCain Will Develop a Climate Change Adaptation Plan

John McCain Believes A Comprehensive Approach To Addressing Climate Change Includes Adaptation As Well As Mitigation. He believes:

An Adaptation Plan Should Be Based Upon National And Regional Scientific Assessments Of The Impacts Of Climate Change.

An Adaptation Plan Should Focus On Implementation At The Local Level Which Is Where Impacts Will Manifest Themselves.

A Comprehensive Plan Will Address The Full Range Of Issues: Infrastructure, Ecosystems, Resource Planning, And Emergency Preparation.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; johnmccain; mccain; mccaingwarming; mccainontheissues; nowaymccain; rino
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Legitimate BARF alert.
1 posted on 05/21/2008 10:19:04 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J

‘’Every time a cow farts, another polar bear drowns.’’ - John McCain


2 posted on 05/21/2008 10:20:38 AM PDT by Lexington Green (''Every time a cow farts, another polar bear drowns.'' - John McCain)
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To: Bob J
This is McCain (from This Week, February 17, 2008) [emphasis added]:
STEPHANOPOULOS: How about on the issue of climate change? Because you and Sen. [Joe] Lieberman [I-Conn.] have come out for a bill which would have mandatory reductions in greenhouse gases.

MCCAIN: Gradual reductions, yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But they are mandatory.

MCCAIN: Yes.


STEPHANOPOULOS: Are you sticking by that?

MCCAIN: What I mean by that is that it's cap-and-trade, that there will be incentives for people to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It's a free-market approach. The Europeans are using it now. We did it in the case of addressing acid rain -- look, if we do that, we stimulate green technologies. I have great faith in the American industry. General Electric, the world's largest corporation, has announced they're dedicated to green technologies. This will be profit-making business.

It won't cost the American taxpayer. It will make profits, because we'll move forward with the innovation and ability of American industry to address this issue.

3 posted on 05/21/2008 10:25:27 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Bob J
I've got a question.

How much digging have you done to damage or slow down the candidacy of Barak Obama?

I'm NOT accusing you of being for Barak. I am alleging that Bush Derangement Syndrome of the left has morphed somewhat into McCain Derangement Syndrome of many on the right.

Obama is such a threat to the conservative cause and the nations well being and so many on the right are doing NOTHING to stop his ascent. Why? Because they are so consumed with the failures of John McCain.

4 posted on 05/21/2008 10:51:24 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze

I suggest you get up to speed on things. I’ve been battling the Anti-McCainians for months. Not that I love McCain but that I am shocked at their propagandist tactics and intimidation of those who would vote for McCain as a vote against Barack.

I prefer a rational debate on McCains positions and have been individually posting them, from his website, for over a week. Hiding McCains positions on issues such as immigration or globull warming is no better than the ant-McCainiacs trying to misrepresent where he stands onissues we would agree with.

I say get it all out in the open so ignorance can be defeated.


5 posted on 05/21/2008 11:07:27 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

6 posted on 05/21/2008 11:24:53 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Bob J
Well I thought I was pretty nice about it. I've been dealing with a lot of nastiness from people over McCain and am trying to get it down to a firm challenge without being rude or accusatory.

I figure at the very least to get the full blown McCain haters to direct their efforts against Obama and it might be constructive.

I have seen the other position posts but the “BARF alert” made me think this was a knock off post patterned to look like your others but designed to whip up the haters.

Again, I don't think said anything to apologize for but if I did, I am sorry.

7 posted on 05/21/2008 11:27:37 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze
Yet another stunning knee-jerk post. Bob J has righteously caught hell the last couple of weeks for his propaganda postings.

You McCainiacs need to keep up.  :)

8 posted on 05/21/2008 11:40:56 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: GulfBreeze

You implied I was “digging”, for what I don’t know, something on McCain. I took that post directly off his website...hardly digging.

You then implied because I wasn’t doing any “digging” on obama I was working against McCain and for obama.

I understand you may be a little quick to pull the trigger after what we have seen from the anti-McCainiacs these last few months, but a little less knee jerking on either side would be good for FR.


9 posted on 05/21/2008 11:41:01 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J
How Does A Cap-And-Trade System Work?

Cap prosperity.

Trade-in freedom.

10 posted on 05/21/2008 11:46:23 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Bob J
Two droids at each others throats. The comedy keeps writing itself. 
11 posted on 05/21/2008 11:48:06 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: Bob J

I want someone who believes McCain is acceptable to conservatives to explain to me how this is a “market-based system”.


12 posted on 05/21/2008 11:49:12 AM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: TomGuy
General Electric, the world's largest corporation, has announced they're dedicated to green technologies. This will be profit-making business.

It won't cost the American taxpayer. It will make profits

ROTFLMAO... but then, he admitted that he doesn't know anything about economics.

Wait-a-sec. This really isn't funny. I'm not laughing. I'm crying...

ROTFCMAO

13 posted on 05/21/2008 11:50:22 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: nicola_tesla

As per your quote - I’m not inclined to vote for a guy stupid enough to believe all of this global warming crap. And you can perhaps get some of the votes from the dumb moderates that believe in it - but sway the conversation to energy independence, lower prices, using new technology, etc.

Of course Obama thinks there are 58 states......


14 posted on 05/21/2008 12:00:15 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: GulfBreeze

If McCain pushes this issue, i will stay home in November. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone who supports such dangerous policies. Is Obama worse? Of course he is. But this is my last straw. The GOP gets NO MORE $$$$ from me until they understand this.

This environmental activism is based on absolute crap!


15 posted on 05/21/2008 12:01:55 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: ChinaThreat
If McCain pushes this issue, i will stay home in November. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone who supports such dangerous policies. Is Obama worse? Of course he is. But this is my last straw. The GOP gets NO MORE $$$$ from me until they understand this.

"So instead of voting on the possibility of some moderated response on the part of McCain, I'll use my vote to guarantee the election of someone from whom there can be expected no moderation at all."

Doing this to make your conscience feel good is just another name for political masturbation.
16 posted on 05/21/2008 12:06:43 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Bob J

I’ve been battling the Anti-McCainians for months. Not that I love McCain but that I am shocked at their propagandist tactics and intimidation of those who would vote for McCain as a vote against Barack.

Hiding McCains positions on issues such as immigration or globull warming is no better than the ant-McCainiacs trying to misrepresent where he stands onissues we would agree with.

I say get it all out in the open so ignorance can be defeated.

Kudos. You finally posted it and as always seek to take the high road. We get the choice of the lesser of two poisons offered this go-around and you’re worried about fairness... and somehow managing to claim victimhood for McCain at the same time on some issues, even tho you’re not really for him,, uh huh.

Cumulatively, he sucks, the party sucks, they have inflicted more body shots to their own base than anyone and they know it, more than a few polls reflect it, yet they remain yolked to a millstone that will eventually sink them into anonymity for another 50 years.

btw, I haven’t seen one damn person here who said they would vote FOR Obama.

From aRnie to McCain, the message is clear, Screw you, Conservatives! Talk about your anti- agenda.

Ya reap what ya sow. I guess that’s what we get letting a few seize the reins of the party. More chickens coming home to roost.

Love the continued ‘broad brush’ as well. Fitting of an anti-McCainian (Progre$$ive) crusader.

btw, I’d name some names, call them out, the propagandists and intimidators, that is, if you feel so strongly. Heck, It might be interesting and informative too.

If anything the delegates should consider ditching their nominees for both parties and starting over , this marathon primary season has done little to offer much hope for many , in fact, quite a few have seen what could well lay ahead with either of the presumptive nominees elected.

It’s not too late for sanity to return to the stage ..


17 posted on 05/21/2008 12:11:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: everyone
To all re. McCain Peso
Whenever the Republican Party sends me requests for money,
I send them a Bush Peso. We need an enterprising viewer to create a new Peso note with McCain's picture.
18 posted on 05/21/2008 12:12:12 PM PDT by subrosa sam (subrosasam)
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To: Lexington Green
John McCain will establish a market-based system to curb greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, mobilize innovative technologies, and strengthen the economy

Of course it will strengthen the Economy by burdening it with oppressive Emissions payments, just like increasing taxes will stimulate the economy \barf. This is just Clintonomics warmed over.

19 posted on 05/21/2008 12:19:28 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: NormsRevenge

I was attempting to post them in the order they are on the McCain site but they have been switched around, more than once it appears.

Doesn’t matter, they’ll all go up eventually.


20 posted on 05/21/2008 12:21:33 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J

Oh I know they’ll all go up. Don’t wear your mouse out. ;-)

A retreat on the global warming and campaign finance fronts would be good places to start and might bring a lot of folks back but I seriously doubt anyone will trust him regardless what he says on immigration reform.


21 posted on 05/21/2008 12:25:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: aruanan

Let me thank you for proffering your opinion. However, with all due respect, i frankly don’t give a damn about your opinion of my choice to vote or not.

I am at the point now that i think we will be better served to let the Damnacrots drive this country into the dirt and hope for a rise from the ashes later.

McCain will only dilute conservative principles associated with the GOP. I have tried and tried, and every time i think i will be comfortable with him, he shows how left he truly is. I spent time trying to get folks to support either Rudy or McCain. But this environmental crap is going to be the end of our standard of living and freedom to travel. This is one issue i cannot support, even if it is only a part of his agenda.

I am sending a letter to his campaign to stop sending me letters asking for $$$ until he rescinds his position on this issue. I will not be changing my mind so no one else needs to try.


22 posted on 05/21/2008 12:25:36 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: Bob J
Climate Policy Should Be Built On Scientifically-Sound, Mandatory Emission Reduction Targets And Timetables.

What about scientifically sound scientific evidence? What about that, huh Juan?

23 posted on 05/21/2008 12:29:28 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: JoJo Gunn

I am flattered by your infatuation with everything I say and do.


24 posted on 05/21/2008 12:29:35 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: Bob J
McCain and Barack would lead us down the same path as far as “green” global warming crap goes. I would rather the Dems take the blame for the economic damage it causes.

That aside, McCain had done enormous damage to the fight against the premise that man causes climate change by embracing the liberal idea that we do. For that, I can not forgive him, and I will not support him.

25 posted on 05/21/2008 12:31:03 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: ChinaThreat
I am sending a letter to his campaign to stop sending me letters asking for $$$ until he rescinds his position on this issue.

I'm with you there. Every single fund raising letter/survey I get I fill out and return with a letter explaining that I will not send money to McCain or the RNC because of McCain's stance on "Climate Change". I also inform them that they will need to raise money from McCain's target base, and good luck with getting Liberal Democrats to send them money.

26 posted on 05/21/2008 12:35:23 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: subrosa sam
We need an enterprising viewer to create a new Peso note with McCain's picture.

Already done...

Photobucket.

27 posted on 05/21/2008 12:38:14 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: chaos_5; ChinaThreat

Don’t stop the mail. See my post #27. Send him one or more of these instead...


28 posted on 05/21/2008 12:40:08 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: Bob J
gawd I despise him, but he's the littlest assclown:


29 posted on 05/21/2008 12:40:14 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: GulfBreeze

No one is consumed by it, but you are. Thats why it upsets you.

Bush is better than McCain. Ain’t sayin’ much.

If you don’t want Obama, fight to get a new candidate. Otherwise, you must want Obama.


30 posted on 05/21/2008 12:41:27 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: bcsco
Not bad, but I'm more upset about the Global Warming issue than immigration.
31 posted on 05/21/2008 12:44:43 PM PDT by chaos_5 (I'm just another bitcon McCain hater =oP)
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To: ChinaThreat
"I am at the point now that i think we will be better served to let the Damnacrots drive this country into the dirt and hope for a rise from the ashes later."

Well this seems to be the major opinion and strategy of the anti-McCainiacs. Please understand that some here don't want the country to be driven into ashes, don't want to be wallowing down there with you for 8 years and in fact believe you are quite insane to wish for such thing much less base an 8-12 year political strategy on such.

With liberal control of the MSM, education and hollywood, anyone who believes the voters of this country will end up blaming lib policy/action for ANY of the downside is either blind to history or fooling themselves.

They'll just find a way to blame it on the GOP and conservatives like they always do.

And then where will we be? Permanently stuck in "the ashes" with the architects of this idiotic plan screaming "I TOLD YOU SO!" as if there were any sanity present to begin with.

Sorry Sir, not for me. I'd rather work with what we got and go down fighting than capitulate and hand it all over to the socialists on a silver platter.

Why does this strategy remind me of the bugout from Saigon?

32 posted on 05/21/2008 12:47:09 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: indylindy
If you don’t want Obama, fight to get a new candidate. Otherwise, you must want Obama.

I'm sorry. I'm not connecting all the dots in your line of reasoning. Can you layout a little more detailed?

33 posted on 05/21/2008 12:47:57 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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Just to give credit where credit is due, here's the original post for that graphic KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle.
34 posted on 05/21/2008 12:50:11 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: GulfBreeze
I am flattered by your infatuation with everything I say and do.

Well, I like a good train wreck same as everyone else. 

35 posted on 05/21/2008 12:51:24 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: GulfBreeze; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; alicewonders
I'm sorry. I'm not connecting all the dots in your line of reasoning. Can you layout a little more detailed?

Hah, it is understandable when someone changes the tone from your programmed line, that you would have comprehension problems. Why is that? I said, you want Obama and you are doing all you can to make that happen. Figure it out. Meanwhile, I will cook my dinner and get a good nights sleep while I wait.

36 posted on 05/21/2008 12:55:40 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: Bob J; SierraWasp; Shermy; sergeantdave; NormsRevenge; DoughtyOne; tubebender; ElkGroveDan; ...
What can one say but "wrong... clueless... destructive... etc."

This simply MUST be stopped. McCain first introduced this in 2003 and has only grown more deliberate in forcing through this ill-conceived scheme that will do nothing but enrich the few, destroy the economy, and subject us to more international laws. And this seems to be his number ONE domestic policy issue. I don't care what letter he chooses to put next to his name, the man is dangerous.

There are too many things to criticize in his global warming position. I will say that the Climate Change Credit Corporation is a real doozie!

Wealth redistribution and global governance--is this the new "brand" for the GOP?

37 posted on 05/21/2008 1:01:15 PM PDT by calcowgirl (Schwarzenegger and McCain are trying to castrate the elephant)
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To: Bob J

How’s the Koolaid holding out?

Better ration it, it’s going to be a long hard road till November after the MSM gets through with your hero. Not to mention that 40 million waiting to be dropped on campaigning against McNuts. And don’t forget that rumor about how his wife became so rich (How he dumped his other wife, etc,,,) by scamming a charity fund.

There are dark little secrets and October surprises that will start around July. Add to that the fact that the Democrats will have their candidate and their party will be loaded for bear. They want this really bad and will stop at nothing to get it.

Conservatives aren’t your enemy or your biggest problem, McNasty is your biggest problem. You can blame those of us who refuse to drink the Koolaid all you like, but in the end, McCain has brought this party to level so low, you’ll need a step ladder to get back to the bottom.


38 posted on 05/21/2008 1:01:46 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: Bob J

Please see 1992-94.


39 posted on 05/21/2008 1:07:32 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Let me get this straight, we shouldn’t vote for McCain because the dims will be playing hardball politics?

Wow, I guess in that case we wouldn’t be able to vote for anyone who got the GOP nomination.

Nice logic, but befitting an anti-McCainiac. Say anything, no matter how absurd, and see what sticks to the wall.


40 posted on 05/21/2008 1:12:33 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: indylindy

I don’t have time for your base rudeness. I guess that flies where you come from. I’m sure your parents tried to raise you better but whatever.


41 posted on 05/21/2008 1:16:51 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: JoJo Gunn

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42 posted on 05/21/2008 1:17:46 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze; Bob J; PSYCHO-FREEP

All this reminds me of a Cops episode I watched last evening. A perp was seen talking to a known drug dealer by the cops. When detained, they found dope in his cap-band. On being put into the paddy-wagon, he cried “You’ve just ruined the rest of my life”.

He reminds me of you McCain supporters. Should McCain lose in November, you lay it at the feet of those who don’t support him. It’ll be our fault, when the real blame lies with McCain himself. He’s doing everything he can to build support from moderates, the left (he’s paying his supporters to troll sites like KOS), and his positions on Global Warming and illegal-immigration are abominable. Yet you assign us the guilt.

If you are really conservatives, it’s time you get your head out of the sand and see that he is the worst candidate the GOP could have come up with. But then, he’s representative of what the GOP itself has become. And there are those of us who are fed up with their leftward bent and want it stopped. OTOH, there are those (you) who are so afraid of a Democrat victory come November you quake at anyone who may stand in your man’s way. Your fear is palpable.

We’re not the ones who planted the dope in your hat (McCain’s policies); McCain is. He’s the problem here; not us. You want to direct your anger and frustration? Direct it at him. Work to get a candidate who represents true conservativism. Is it too late? Perhaps. But it certainly will be if we don’t even try.


43 posted on 05/21/2008 1:18:42 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: Bob J
I say get it all out in the open so ignorance can be defeated.

Gawd thanks Bob J, does this now mean(since we have all wretched our guts out over the commode), that McCain, Hillary, and Obama, will all be defeated?

44 posted on 05/21/2008 1:19:04 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
How’s the Koolaid holding out?

Oh, they get it shipped to them, gratis. It's an "incentive."

45 posted on 05/21/2008 1:21:14 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: GulfBreeze; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I don’t have time for your base rudeness. I guess that flies where you come from. I’m sure your parents tried to raise you better but whatever.

Gee, I wasn't rude, I was challenging you. I can see Obama has gotten to you. No matter, the scenario I presented you was not in your playbook.

Totally understandable.

46 posted on 05/21/2008 1:23:21 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: bcsco

DUDE!

Where on EARTH did you ever read that I am a McNasty supporter?

I absolutely despise this RINO and ALWAYS have! Just read my past posting history if you think I am kidding....(Psycho)


47 posted on 05/21/2008 1:34:30 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: indylindy

You were rude. Your first post was written with conclusions and no line of reasoning to get there.

Your second conlusion was everything short of calling me stupid.

I understand that your saying I’m in the Obama camp because I am not trying to find a different candidate than McCain but the arguement is just laid out for it. So I asked you to put the details into your arguement.

McCain IS the candidate. Unless you’re planning on assassinating him between now and the GOP convention he is the GOP candidate. He has enough delegates in place right now who are BOUND to vote for him in the first caucus round that he cannot be displaced by any amount of convention shenanigans.

The POTUS 2008 race is between John McCain and Barak Obama. No one is in the race. No one else will be in the race.


48 posted on 05/21/2008 1:34:54 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze

I do not have “conlusions,” I have conclusions. I withhold my conclusion about you.

You failed to answer my question. If the shoe fits.....


49 posted on 05/21/2008 1:39:03 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

You misunderstood why I included you. I read your posts before posting, and was only alerting you to what I wrote to those same parties. Sorry for any misconception.


50 posted on 05/21/2008 1:39:35 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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