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Price put at $1.8 trillion (barf alert)
Houston Chronicle ^ | May 19, 2008 | Jenalia Moreno

Posted on 05/20/2008 6:58:56 PM PDT by tx_eggman

Study: That's what U.S. would lose if undocumented immigrants vanished



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration

1 posted on 05/20/2008 6:58:56 PM PDT by tx_eggman
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To: tx_eggman
From the article:

Texas, the second-hardest-hit state after California, would lose 1.2 million undocumented workers and $220.7 billion in expenditures.

By the author's calculations then, each illegal immigrant in Texas is generating $183,333 in expenditures.

What a steaming pile of BS.

2 posted on 05/20/2008 7:02:34 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Privatizing profits and socializing losses is no way to run an economy)
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To: tx_eggman

The comments posted on the article are not kind to the authors.

Nor should they be.


3 posted on 05/20/2008 7:08:49 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: tx_eggman

Over the top figure from a NAFTA TTC hack who routinely slants his data for the bucks received by same clientele. Besides most dollars earned by illegals goes back to Me-hi-co anyway to help pay the way for la familia to pay the coyotes for safe passage to the big USA social services lottery payoff.


4 posted on 05/20/2008 7:09:01 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: tx_eggman

You can lop-off 50 percent of that “price” by paying Americans the proper wages which are now discounted by our peasant labor force.

Then subtract the $35 billion in foreign remittances which would disappear.

Add back the billion$$ for social services and you’re getting close to a net gain.


5 posted on 05/20/2008 7:12:43 PM PDT by angkor
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To: tx_eggman
What a steaming pile of BS.

Pile, I would say it is approaching several super tanker boat loads.

6 posted on 05/20/2008 7:14:10 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: tx_eggman

I’m in.


7 posted on 05/20/2008 7:14:21 PM PDT by uptoolate (The Republican fear of Liberalism is why we are in this predicament)
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To: tx_eggman
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that the author with the last name "Moreno" may be slightly biased ...

"We need comprehensive reform that looks at our needs and addresses those needs,"

Oh, you mean your need for greed? - the need to hire people at wages that only someone desperate enough to risk their life crossing the border illegally would agree to? Pay more, and contribute to the American economy and the welfare of legal citizens.

Perryman said that with many of the nation's baby boomers retiring and the nation experiencing a low unemployment rate, undocumented immigrants are performing the jobs other American workers could not.

There will be no retirement funds available to those legal citizens who have already contributed from their earned income because we continue to foot the bill for illegals and their welfare.

8 posted on 05/20/2008 7:15:12 PM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: tx_eggman

I think we’ll take the risk.


9 posted on 05/20/2008 7:15:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agreed..let’s take the gamble and see. At least we will know the answer.


10 posted on 05/20/2008 7:19:53 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: tx_eggman
I'm sure there was an equivalent dollar number assigned to what would happen in the 1800s if we abolished slavery.
11 posted on 05/20/2008 7:22:59 PM PDT by OCC
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To: OCC

You sure as heck will not see the mainstream media reporting the estimated trillions of dollar we will lose if we adopt global warming legislation.


12 posted on 05/20/2008 7:26:30 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: tx_eggman

1.8 trillion??? Did they figure this in pesos instead of dollars? Cosidering the exchange rate, that equals out to be about the cost of a used El Camino.


13 posted on 05/20/2008 7:29:39 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: All

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html

Among the findings:

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Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.
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Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
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If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.
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With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments — not their legal status or their unwillingness to work.
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Amnesty increases costs because illegals would still be largely unskilled, and thus their tax payments would continue to be very modest, but once legalized they would be able to access many more government services.

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The fact that legal immigrants with little schooling are a fiscal drain on federal coffers does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a drain. Many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
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Because many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth, barring illegals themselves from federal programs will not significantly reduce costs.
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Although they create a net drain on the federal government, the average illegal household pays more than $4,200 a year in federal taxes, for a total of nearly $16 billion.
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However, they impose annual costs of more than $26.3 billion, or about $6,950 per illegal household.
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About 43 percent, or $7 billion, of the federal taxes illegals pay go to Social Security and Medicare.
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Employers do not see the costs associated with less-educated immigrant workers because the costs are spread out among all taxpayers.


14 posted on 05/20/2008 7:33:34 PM PDT by Birdlady
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To: tx_eggman
Study: That's what U.S. would lose if undocumented immigrants vanished

Think that's expensive?
Wait till they get amnesty and President McCain/Hillary!/Obama
lets them file back taxes for 10-20 years of Earned Income Tax
Credit and retroactively gives them all rebate stimulus payments.

There will be a fearsome SUCKING SOUND over at the US Treasury.
And the sound of tons of new, devalued dollars rolling off the presses.
15 posted on 05/20/2008 7:39:38 PM PDT by VOA
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To: tx_eggman

That’s like saying if only bank robbers would stop robbing banks the the banks would have more money to loan ....these media idiots always talk about how much money they pay in taxes and how much they generate in revenue but not how much those illegals cost our system that we pay for ....


16 posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:26 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: tx_eggman

bump


17 posted on 05/20/2008 7:47:53 PM PDT by lowbridge ("I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it" - Van Den Boogaard)
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To: DeLaVerdad
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that the author with the last name "Moreno" may be slightly biased..."

Moreno... Is that Mexican for "moron?"

18 posted on 05/20/2008 7:49:28 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Redbob

>>Moreno... Is that Mexican for “moron?”<<

No, it means brown. But it is a moronic article all right.


19 posted on 05/20/2008 7:56:47 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The minute these losers step on United States soil, they are moving into the most advanced society ever built on this planet. By working, they cannot even begin to repay the debt from the millions of United States citizens now and in the past who have built this great infrastructure. They are simply freeloaders and taking advantage of us. Legal and restrained immigration is the only route. We should be selective in who we invite in.


20 posted on 05/20/2008 8:01:25 PM PDT by yorkie01
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To: tx_eggman
I'll take the savings in social services, law enforcement, education and medical services. When last calculated in California, each "immigrant" represented a net annual cost of at least $1500 annually to the taxpayers. That's after accounting for any positive economic activity. Multiply that by 20 million...at least. Send them home.
21 posted on 05/20/2008 8:03:55 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: yorkie01

You got that right!


22 posted on 05/20/2008 8:05:23 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Last summer I was hospitalized overnight in South Miami General Hospital with a vicious case of food poisoning. In agony I sat in the emergency waiting room with 8 people for almost two hours before I was seen.

The cost billed to my insurance: $8,000. When I returned two nights later for a copy of the reports the same admitting orderly was on duty. I asked “how many of my fellow patients were paying customers?” He typed on the computer for a moment, looked around (no one was within hearing distance) and said “you”. Any guesses as to what Central American dialects were spoken by them? (As distinct from the easily recognizable - to me, at least - Cuban accented Spanish.)


23 posted on 05/20/2008 8:08:44 PM PDT by QBFimi2 (Ve are the New World Order; ve bring to the world dis-order. Spike Jones, 1943.)
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To: yorkie01
... they are moving into the most advanced society ever built on this planet

We're so "advanced" we can't even protect our borders and we continue to support this "expense."

Legal and restrained immigration is the only route.

Absolutley agreed!

24 posted on 05/20/2008 8:09:27 PM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: tx_eggman

the resurrection of fuzzy math...


25 posted on 05/20/2008 8:14:04 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: tx_eggman
By the author's calculations then, each illegal immigrant in Texas is generating $183,333 in expenditures. What a steaming pile of BS.
My calculator came up with a slightly higher number, but bump that for sure.
26 posted on 05/20/2008 8:15:28 PM PDT by allmost
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To: org.whodat

27 posted on 05/20/2008 8:20:17 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: DeLaVerdad
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that the author with the last name "Moreno" may be slightly biased ...

It's the trademark "I'm a Mexican and Mexicans are nothing but good and can do no wrong" bias....you know...racist....something these people continually prove they are....

28 posted on 05/20/2008 8:21:59 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: OCC
I'm sure there was an equivalent dollar number assigned to what would happen in the 1800s if we abolished slavery.

Exactly....got news for you...you people are replaceable....get over yourselves....your egotism and narcissism is unbelievable....

29 posted on 05/20/2008 8:24:46 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: tx_eggman
I posted this over on the article.

This is seriously the dumbest study I've ever read. At $222,000 per person, if we multiplied that amount by our population of 300 million, we'd have an economy the size of $67 trillion. Amazingly though, our GDP is only $14 trillion or nearly 80% smaller than listed for an illegal on a per person basis (around $46k per person). If this author and the group that conducted the study honestly believe that for the most part uneducated illegal alien is 5x more valuable to our economy than the average US citizen I would like some of the drugs you are on. More likely they are at best half as productive as the average US Citizen or around $23k per year at BEST. When you figure all of the various costs to society they require AND remittance back home the US is getting crushed by illegals. Do any newspapers do any research or basic math anymore before they do any reports or is just all propaganda?

30 posted on 05/20/2008 8:26:02 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: tx_eggman
"each illegal immigrant in Texas is generating $183,333 in expenditures"

LOL. Leftists can't even bother to strive for plausibility most of the time when they toss out their propaganda. As a lifelong citizen of the great USA I am still looking to land the kind of job which would allow me to spew out annual expenditures on that level..... but I'm pretty certain that illegals are probably averaging a lot closer to $30K per year, maybe a bit more, and nowhere near $180K.

Besides, any jobs that are held by illegals can be filled by LEGAL immigrants if we really cannot find anyone already legally here to fill them.
31 posted on 05/20/2008 8:36:01 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: tx_eggman

They can all pack up and GO for all I care. I’m looking forward to getting my country back.


32 posted on 05/20/2008 8:36:01 PM PDT by CalifChris
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To: Enchante
Besides, any jobs that are held by illegals can be filled by LEGAL immigrants if we really cannot find anyone already legally here to fill them.

Yes...of course....but something these dimwits can't seem to understand...take your hand and stick it in a bucket of water....then pull it out....see how quickly the water closes over the hole left behind? Because of the number trying to come to this country legally, those here illegally and departing will not be missed.....the world is chock full of desirable resources....

33 posted on 05/20/2008 8:57:01 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: yorkie01

Don’t forget—every illegal here in the U.S. who is taking advantage of the high quality of life earned through the hard work of generations of Americans enables his or her home country to delay economic and societal development. When we fail to regulate our borders, corrupt foreign governments and employers have far less pressure on them to improve conditions in their countries. When we turn a blind eye to illegal aliens, we condemn their countrymen to a future of misery and ensure future generations will continue to look north for opportunity.


34 posted on 05/20/2008 9:13:29 PM PDT by iacovatx (Self-defense, to the best of one's ability, is a fundamental requirement of life.)
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To: yorkie01
The minute these losers step on United States soil, they are moving into the most advanced society ever built on this planet.

...and then force their loser culture on us and try to convert our way of life to mimic that of the third-world crap hole they came from...how dumb can you be?...

35 posted on 05/21/2008 12:13:33 AM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: BerryDingle

Had to make a book mark on that one LOL


36 posted on 05/21/2008 5:43:58 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: iacovatx
Don’t forget—every illegal here in the U.S. who is taking advantage of the high quality of life earned through the hard work of generations of Americans enables his or her home country to delay economic and societal development. When we fail to regulate our borders, corrupt foreign governments and employers have far less pressure on them to improve conditions in their countries. When we turn a blind eye to illegal aliens, we condemn their countrymen to a future of misery and ensure future generations will continue to look north for opportunity.

That's an EXCELLENT point! When I become a full-time activist to solve this problem I want you on my team! =)

37 posted on 05/21/2008 7:45:44 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: tx_eggman

bump


38 posted on 05/22/2008 1:34:06 PM PDT by lowbridge ("I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it" - Van Den Boogaard)
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