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Biting the Bullet: It’s Either McCain or Obama
Modern Conservative ^ | May 19, 2008 | Rene Guerra

Posted on 05/20/2008 12:00:39 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

Biting the Bullet: It’s Either McCain or Obama

By Rene Guerra

Never, ever, in her 232 years of illustrious existence, has America been at such a dire juncture where her enemies and rivals--domestic and foreign--are so determinedly poised and so advantageously positioned to undoing her.

Islamofascism has vowed to destroy America, at any cost; “Death to America” the frenzied, mouth-foaming, suicidal Iranian throngs cry. Our brave troops in Iraq and Afghanistan keep fighting day in and day out the terrorists that the Saudi Wahhabis, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Iranian Shiite fundamentalists, and the Syrian Baathists would otherwise be sending to slaughter us, here, on American soil, as the first two did through al-Qaida did on 9/11 . . . or even worse.

Tanks and intercontinental thermonuclear missiles are rolling, back again, in military parades at Red Square, in a chilling return of Russian bellicosity. Russia, at the same time, coerces and extorts the European nations with her vast production and proven deposits of oil and natural gas.

China--in essence the perfect embodiment of a fascist state, worse, with world-hegemonic aspirations based on ancient geocentric traits--soars, unchecked, to powers that no one can predict where will end. At the same time, China has an exceedingly positive trade balance vis-à-vis the U.S.A., is the owner of a sizeable chunk of America’s $12.5 Trillion owed to foreign interests, and is the second largest foreign holder of securities issued by the U.S. Treasury...


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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; boogaboogabooga; election; fearmongering; mccain; obama; rino; rinostampede; scaretactics; voting

1 posted on 05/20/2008 12:00:39 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
If McCain genuinely wants the support of conservatives, now and through November, then he needs to do what every politician seeking the support of any given voting bloc routinely does, and meet their specifically vocalized needs to such an extent as to earn said support.

As the recent outpouring of raw, naked outrage on the NRCC web site makes both manifest and plain: insofar as the voting conservative base is concerned, he demonstrably has not done so.

Responsibility for the adamant rejection of John McCain by the conservative voting bloc, therefore, rests ultimately with the unsatisfactory candidate, and he alone.

It does no good whatsoever to hop up and down like so many amphetamined spider monkeys, agitatedly shrilling "OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMAOBAMAOBAMA!!!," as Barack Obama is not running as the Republican candidate for the presidency this year; McCain is. He either closes the deal himself, based on his ability to persuade conservatives what he himself has to offer them (if anything)... or: he does not.

2 posted on 05/20/2008 12:08:01 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
thanks, for that link,
my, my...seems, the RinosNCC (still) hasn't GOTTEN THE MASSAGE.
3 posted on 05/20/2008 12:18:32 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Welcome to FreeRepublic.com.

I don’t bite my bullets — better use for them than that.


4 posted on 05/20/2008 12:24:15 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: skinkinthegrass

Acts of Terrorism against the U.S.

November 4th 1979 through January 20 1981, 53 diplomats held hostage in Iran. Carter Administration.

4 years and 6 months later, October 23, 1983, Marine headquarters bombed in Beirut. Reagan Administration.

5 years and 2 months later, December, 21, 1988, Pan Am flight 103 brought down over Scotland by a bomb carried on board. Reagan administration.

5 years and 2 months later, February 26, 1993, First World Trade center Bombing. Clinton Administration.

7 months later, October 3, 1993. Dead U.S. peacekeeping soldiers dragged through the streets of Mogadishu Somalia.
Clinton Administration.

2 years and 8 months later, June 25, 1996, Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia bombed. Clinton Administration.

2 years and 1 month later, August 7, 1998, U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania bombed. Clinton Administration.

2 years and 2 months later, October 12, 2000, U.S.S. Cole bombed. Clinton Administration.

11 months later, September 11, 2001, Both World Trade Center buildings destroyed and the Pentagon damaged by high jacked Airliners. George W. Bush Adminstration.

As of May 19, 2008, 6 years and 8 months have passed without a terrorist attack against the U.S. This is the longest we have been safe in nearly 29 years.

The current strategy of fighting the terrorists in the mountains of Afghanistan and the streets of Baghdad has so far been effective.

What CHANGES will be made by the next administration so we can HOPE for more safe days?


5 posted on 05/20/2008 12:26:12 AM PDT by myuhaul
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To: skinkinthegrass

They'll learn, FRiend. They'll learn. ;)

6 posted on 05/20/2008 12:33:04 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

7 posted on 05/20/2008 12:37:54 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: potlatch; holdonnow; Tony Snow; stevemalzberg1; Laura_Ingraham; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; ..

8 posted on 05/20/2008 12:49:06 AM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
BINGO!..right on target.
9 posted on 05/20/2008 12:52:20 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Is it Death — or Bulunga?


10 posted on 05/20/2008 12:59:35 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (You must choose! Death, or Bulunga!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

The ememies speak with forked tongue like a snake.


11 posted on 05/20/2008 1:34:04 AM PDT by BlueVelvet
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To: devolve; All

Obama - Building a Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xtNr5-up0U


12 posted on 05/20/2008 2:13:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: myuhaul

Awesome video:

The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.


13 posted on 05/20/2008 2:16:55 AM PDT by cyberella
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
They'll learn, FRiend. They'll learn. ;)

How about: Anyone who thinks it's cute or funny that this country will be put in great peril so that "some" may be "taught a lesson" are also this great country's enemies and are also a*holes?

14 posted on 05/20/2008 2:52:30 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
How about: Anyone who thinks it's cute or funny that this country will be put in great peril so that "some" may be "taught a lesson" are also this great country's enemies and are also a*holes?

How about: "I point and giggle uncontrollably at passive-aggressive online nonentities with demonstrable reading disabilities"...? ;)

15 posted on 05/20/2008 2:54:45 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I didn’t misread anything, but of course you could always do a Barack Obama immitation and try to spin, bob, and weave yourself out of this one.


16 posted on 05/20/2008 3:14:17 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
I didn’t misread anything

What's most important, gumdrop, is that you genuinely believe that.

17 posted on 05/20/2008 3:18:34 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

As I predicted, some cute-pie bob, weave, and dodge non-answer .


18 posted on 05/20/2008 3:46:13 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
amphetamined spider monkeys

LOL!!! Are you PJ O'Rourke hiding out here? Sounds like a way to have some fun at the Congress (turn loose your pets on a day they're going to vote to further sell us into slavery).

19 posted on 05/20/2008 3:47:12 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: AmericaUnited
*yawn*

Back to Post #2 with you, peanut.

20 posted on 05/20/2008 3:47:25 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
If McCain genuinely wants the support of conservatives, now and through November, then he needs to do what every politician seeking the support of any given voting bloc routinely does, and meet their specifically vocalized needs to such an extent as to earn said support.

No, wrong. Self-described conservatives need to decide whether they love their country enough to vote against Barak Hussein Obama, and his entourage of officials, judges, etc. taking it over. As with Bill Clinton, assume it would be at least 8 years if not another 16.

21 posted on 05/20/2008 3:48:35 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: Hardastarboard
LOL!!! Are you PJ O'Rourke hiding out here?

Nope (although many thanks for the compliment). Just a staggeringly astute judge of character, is all. ;)

22 posted on 05/20/2008 3:49:22 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: af_vet_1981
No, wrong. Self-described conservatives need to decide whether *snip*

Breathtakingly boneheaded. Again, this is the way elections have been conducted in this country for several hundred years, by this point: Candidate attempts to garner votes from Voting Bloc by meeting said Voting Bloc's needs. Candidate does not meet needs; Candidate doesn't get votes. Period. End of sentence. End of paragraph. End of story.

The fumblefooted attempt at automatically tarring any conservatives not in agreement with you as "not loving their country enough" was good for a small, derisive snort of justifiably condescending amusement, however.

23 posted on 05/20/2008 3:55:32 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: af_vet_1981

Love of country is a foreign concept to some. They remind of those warped Muslims who kill their daughters for the sake of “honor”.


24 posted on 05/20/2008 3:57:11 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

The phrase “None of the above” comes to mind. I will actively campaign against McCain and Obama. Neither is CIC material.


25 posted on 05/20/2008 4:17:03 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

So while Mr. McCain is fighting the islam-fascists in front of us, he’ll be opening the backdoor to allow in the UN communists with his global warming scam.

So when the troops come home from the middle east, they’ll find a fascist federal bureaucrat on their doorstep stealing their money for cap and trade scams and telling them how to live every moment of their life.

Is that what you’re advocating?


26 posted on 05/20/2008 4:27:52 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: Post-Neolithic

“The phrase “None of the above” comes to mind.”

Yep, this entire article can be summed up as “Suck it up; you’ve got no where else to go.”

Of course nary a mention of the fact that repeatedly sucking it up is what got us to this point in the first place. I sucked it up for the Reps for the last time in 2006. No more.

I have a feeling that “None of the above” is going to do very well at the polls this year.


27 posted on 05/20/2008 4:32:07 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet ("No more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition ..." Ronald Reagan)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Mutiny at the Convention: The Last, Best Hope for Conservatives in ‘08”

Organizing a mutiny at the grassroots level shouldn’t be all that hard to jumpstart.

I don’t know how it is in other states, but in Tennessee, the names of the delegates were on the primary ballot under each candidate’s name. A lot of those name are familiar, as I am sure they are for others in each state.

The starting point would be to CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE...EN MASSE...and let them know how you feel. If there are mass abstentions on the first ballot at the Convention, McCain won’t get the votes he needs.

What I’m getting at here is to do what it takes to GET THE NOMINATION PROCESS TO THE SECOND BALLOT. If that could happen, then all bets are off, a “raucus caucus” ensues and the true fight for the “heart and soul” of the GOP can really begin.

It’s not impossible. We know who our delgates are...CONTACT THEM.


28 posted on 05/20/2008 4:53:55 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (Mutiny at the Convention: The Last, Best Hope for Conservatives in '08)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Barack Obama, in Portland, on Iran: “They don’t pose a serious threat to us.” This breathtakingly naive statement alone disqualifies Obama as CIC.


29 posted on 05/20/2008 5:32:12 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (God will be the ultimate judge ............ but sometimes you can just smell the sulphur.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

If this is the best the United States can propose for the highest office in the land, I’ll leave that entry blank on my ballot. Perhaps I’ll vote third party or write-in Ann Coulter.


30 posted on 05/20/2008 6:11:22 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: AmericaUnited
Anyone who thinks it's cute or funny that this country will be put in great peril so that...

I guess you are very weak. This country is being put in great peril solely because the GOP can't dredge up a candidate that is worth the vote. You should turn your anger against those who actually commit the sin, not those who are pressing hard for rectification. You are asking those who can fix the problem to succumb to leftist mediocrity as you have done.

31 posted on 05/20/2008 6:17:42 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
You want to talk about blame?! Why didn't conservatives vote in the person they wanted during the primaries?

You act as if by some kooky wave of a magic wand, the GOP should anoint some conservative as their candidate. YOU had your chance. Conservatives didn't vote in enough numbers to nominate a conservative candidate and now you whine and moan and BLAME everyone else. Just pathetic!

32 posted on 05/20/2008 6:46:58 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

“Biting the Bullet: It’s Either McCain or Obama”

That’s no choice! That’s like the killer holding a pistol and giving a guy a “choice” of “Head or chest?”


33 posted on 05/20/2008 7:58:27 AM PDT by Grunthor (Juan agrees with Ted Kennedy on Amnesty, Gore on GW & says Hillary'd be a good POTUS)
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To: AmericaUnited
YOU had your chance. Conservatives didn't vote...

I voted in the primary. I did not cast the vote for McLame.

You are entirely right, though. So called conservatives did not vote particularly conservative. I think the problem stems from so many people trying to guess how everyone else would vote. They like to vote for the "winner" rather than the one from their heart.

This Nation is sliding to the left. Conservatives really don't vote that way anymore. I will continue to vote my heart, even if there will be a landslide for the dorks. I used to compromise at lot. I've nothing left with which to compromise.

34 posted on 05/20/2008 7:59:02 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: af_vet_1981

Bullcrap. You DO NOT earn a conservatives vote, at least not this ones’ by being only slightly less disgusting than the other guy.


35 posted on 05/20/2008 8:00:46 AM PDT by Grunthor (Juan agrees with Ted Kennedy on Amnesty, Gore on GW & says Hillary'd be a good POTUS)
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To: AmericaUnited

You post as though the G.O.P. candidate, no matter how odious and dispicable was somehow owed our votes, and that we (conservatives) somehow have an obligation to whore out our beliefs like certain Republican voters do every cycle.

You are wrong. We have no such obligation. I am a conservative, my values and principles do not change. I have about 5 top issues to which I cling tightly. Cross me on any of them and you don’t get my vote. Period.


36 posted on 05/20/2008 8:05:54 AM PDT by Grunthor (Juan agrees with Ted Kennedy on Amnesty, Gore on GW & says Hillary'd be a good POTUS)
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To: GingisK

Bump that post!


37 posted on 05/20/2008 8:06:15 AM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: All

They (conservatives?) remind of those warped Muslims who kill their daughters for the sake of “honor”.

-AmericaUnited


38 posted on 05/20/2008 8:10:41 AM PDT by Grunthor (Juan agrees with Ted Kennedy on Amnesty, Gore on GW & says Hillary'd be a good POTUS)
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To: Grunthor
Grunty, Isn't it stupid to ask "All" as to the meaning of my post when "All" didn't post the words, I did?

It is a very warped/demented thinking to make a pretense of standing on principle by taking action that will destroy the very thing (country, daughters, etc.) that those supposed principles are claimed to be in the best interest of or protect.

39 posted on 05/20/2008 8:45:06 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Grunthor
You post as though the G.O.P. candidate, no matter how odious and dispicable was somehow owed our votes, and that we (conservatives) somehow have an obligation to whore out our beliefs like certain Republican voters do every cycle.

No, how about in the real world, not some delusional, fantasy world, at this point in time, we will have either John McCain or Barack Obama as our next President. Any action of: voting for either one, voting against either one, or voting for neither, WILL absolutely effect the outcome of who becomes POTUS. To claim any other reality is certified KOOKSVILLE! So, since I am not a kook, I am an adult who understands my action or lack of WILL make one of these men POTUS, I will choose the one that will do the least harm to this country.

It has ZERO to do with whoring anything, since I'm not voting FOR McCain.

And please, save the fake nobility of principle. There is nothing whatsoever noble or principled by helping inflict the greater evil on this country.

40 posted on 05/20/2008 8:51:10 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Here is not a question of a lesser evil. McCain is just as bad as Obama. McCain is the only GOP candidate for whom I could not hold my nose and vote. Among my many concerns are the signs McCain might be mentally ill or a sociopath. How can I vote for anybody who is for amnesty and open borders and against the Cronyn amendment - willing to sell out this country?
41 posted on 05/20/2008 8:58:24 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3
Here is not a question of a lesser evil. McCain is just as bad as Obama.

Sorry, that assertion is just flat out nuts and it is hard to take anything you say seriously, if you truly believe that and just are not throwing up hyperbole.

42 posted on 05/20/2008 9:39:12 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

Except in this case they would sacrifice our country. Some people don’t have common sense and are simply pulled to an extreme that is irrational.


43 posted on 05/20/2008 5:49:36 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’m sorry you feel that way. Perhaps it is overexposure to liberals in Seattle that muddle your thinking.


44 posted on 05/20/2008 6:00:13 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: af_vet_1981
Nope. Just naturally a little bit smarter and/or a little more honest, is all.

Again, this is the way elections have been conducted in this country for several hundred years, by this point: Candidate attempts to garner votes from Voting Bloc by meeting said Voting Bloc's needs. Candidate does not meet needs; Candidate doesn't get votes. Period. End of sentence. End of paragraph. End of story.

Politicians in your city and/or state dont garner votes by telling their constituents "Yes, I'll do [X][Y][Z] for you?" Voters in your city and/or state dont pick candidates and/or parties based upon how what they're promised they'll get, or pledged they won't get? Horse crap.

45 posted on 05/20/2008 6:06:19 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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