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Supreme Court upholds anti-child pornography law
AP ^ | 5/19/08

Posted on 05/19/2008 8:04:42 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has upheld criminal penalties for promoting child pornography.

The court, in a 7-2 decision...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: scotus
Justice David Souter, joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, dissented.

If there was ever a reason for putting McCain in the White House, it would be to replace Ginsburg and hopefully Stevens...

1 posted on 05/19/2008 8:04:42 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
Souter

Nice nomination there, GHWB.

2 posted on 05/19/2008 8:06:57 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: SoFloFreeper

If you’re going to excerpt, click the excerpt box. It gives us a better link to the story.


3 posted on 05/19/2008 8:08:46 AM PDT by SmithL (Reject Obama's Half-Vast Wright-Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Don’t worry. Souter and Ruth Buzzie Ginsburg are two of the Supreme Court Justices that the Obamunist really admires.


4 posted on 05/19/2008 8:08:52 AM PDT by exile ("Get off the phone, ya big dope"- The Great One)
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To: SoFloFreeper

And Chancellor-elect Obama considers Ginsberg his “model” jurist.


5 posted on 05/19/2008 8:11:28 AM PDT by WayneS (And now I shall return to my hovel and cling to my guns - but only until it is time to go to Church)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Where do I go to read their dissenting opinion?

I daresay I’m curious as to how they go about justifying their opinion. Does it have anything to do with the “mystery of life?”

I must say I’m outraged. Everyone knows the Founders wrote the 1st amendment specifically to uphold the rights of pornographers, sex workers and shock artists.


6 posted on 05/19/2008 8:13:41 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Mr. Mojo

Souter is just afraid they might find his stash of porn.

The freakshow lives with his mother, never married, etc.


7 posted on 05/19/2008 8:15:53 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: sinanju

They found it under the penumbra between Scottish law and the Constitution of Zimbabwe.


8 posted on 05/19/2008 8:16:55 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Nice nomination there, GHWB.

Warren Rudman and John Sununu recommended him to President Bush unreservedly as a staunch conservative who did not have a easily demonizable track record on hot-button issues for the Democrats to exploit.

He was deceived by people who should have known better.

Note that one year later George HW Bush went to the mattresses to secure Clarence Thomas' appointment.

He learned his lesson, while Rudman champions Souter to this day.

Appointing a never-married 51 year old man to the USSC?

In retrospect Bush should have seen it coming, but he trusted Sununu.

9 posted on 05/19/2008 8:17:05 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Republican presidents of the twentieth century have been notorious for their carelessness in their SCOTUS appointments.

Eisenhower has been quoted as saying the two biggest mistakes of his administration were named Warren and Brennan.

Current legend has it that GHWB nominated Souter because he was a cipher with no paper trail and his chief of staff, John Sununu recommended him.


10 posted on 05/19/2008 8:22:04 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: SoFloFreeper

Good for the Supreme Court. I’m going to try to find the decision and read it.

Any news of when the death penalty for child rape decision will be coming down? Dying to know the answer to that one.

If you replace a Ginsburg with another Souter I don’t think you really gain much, if anything. Stevens will be the next one stepping down, IMO. Ginsberg still has a few years left in her yet.

The make up of the Congress is also going to play a role in deciding the next Supreme Court Justice. I fear we are loosing the battle of Congress quickly however.


11 posted on 05/19/2008 8:23:46 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan (The only thing dumber than a Republican or a Democrat is when the two work together - Lewis Black)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Adult but still lives with mother.
Over 50, never married.

Aren’t those pretty much the first two items on the check-list for profiling... well, child molesters.

I’m not tryin’ to IMPLY nuthin’... I’m jus’ sayin’...


12 posted on 05/19/2008 8:26:06 AM PDT by WayneS (The Mask that Evil Wears May Change, but the Face of Evil Remains Constant.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

That question has been investigated in depth, but apparently all of Souter’s friends going back to childhood insist he’s not light in the loafers.

Notwithstanding that, one would prefer that a man making decisions on social issues of great import would have such fundamental, normative experiences as marriage and childrearing under his belt.


13 posted on 05/19/2008 8:28:10 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: All
Here's the US Supreme Court Opinion -- scroll down to United States v. Williams. Click Here
14 posted on 05/19/2008 8:32:08 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. --Einstein)
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To: sinanju

“Notwithstanding that, one would prefer that a man making decisions on social issues of great import would have such fundamental, normative experiences as marriage and childrearing under his belt.”

Well said.


15 posted on 05/19/2008 8:36:30 AM PDT by WayneS (The Mask that Evil Wears May Change, but the Face of Evil Remains Constant.)
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To: sinanju
Republican presidents of the twentieth century have been notorious for their carelessness in their SCOTUS appointments.

And imagine how close we came to Democrat Roosevelt forcing the SC to 12-members and then packing it with his hand-picked minions. Democrats have long-known that owning the SC was their best way to ram their crap down the throat of America.

16 posted on 05/19/2008 8:41:21 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy - Codename -> "Bobber")
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To: SoFloFreeper

And yet I recall McCain’s participation in that disgraceful “Gang of 14” and let us not forget his assertion that Alito wears his conservatism on his sleeve.

And yet, time and again I am amazed at the naivete of those who think that McCain will suddenly become conservative savior of the Supreme Court.

I must smile.


17 posted on 05/19/2008 8:43:31 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: Fast Moving Angel

I just read most of Souter’s dissent.

All I can say is: At some point during his life his brain must have turned to mush.


18 posted on 05/19/2008 8:43:48 AM PDT by WayneS (The Mask that Evil Wears May Change, but the Face of Evil Remains Constant.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well, I hate to say it, but Ruth Bader Ginsberg shows us what kind of SCOTUS appointment you can expect from a Democrat president. And David Souter shows us what kind of appointment you can expect from a Republican president who is willing to compromise with his friends across the aisle.

Didn’t McCain say that he thought Alito was too extreme for the job? And didn’t he help organize the Gang of 14?


19 posted on 05/19/2008 8:45:22 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Fishtalk

His only saving grace in that regard would be that he will not be as bad as Chancellor-elect Obama.

And that is, as they say, damning with faint praise.


20 posted on 05/19/2008 8:45:48 AM PDT by WayneS (And now I shall return to my hovel and cling to my guns - but only until it is time to go to Church)
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To: WayneS

It’s just result-oriented jurisprudence.

It has zero to do with law or reason -— he just wanted a certain result and told his law clerks to write something so it comes out that way.


21 posted on 05/19/2008 8:49:52 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

The Souter (& Ginsberg) dissent lies primarily in the pandering provisions.

Souter argument relies heavily on the ‘protected status’ of virtual child pornography - e.g. either non-real images or actors of legal age who don’t appear as such - depicting pornographic acts as children. He claims that in order to criminalize pandering - the images being pandered must clearly fall outside of the protected speech category.

He engages the argument that attempted sale or possession of narcotics may be charged when an individual, believing himself to be engaged in a transaction for cocaine, actually sells or buys baking powder. He says the same scenario does NOT hold true for ‘virtual child pornography’ as such images have a protected status that ‘powder’ does not enjoy.

This is the crux of is argument in my reading - ensuring the protection of virtual child pornography as previously ‘privileged’ by the court.


22 posted on 05/19/2008 8:56:37 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
For anyone who has spent much time studying USSC jurisprudence it is obvious that Justice Ginsburg is the dumbest person ever to sit on the Court. To the left extreme leftist ideology trumps legal acumen every time.
23 posted on 05/19/2008 9:03:18 AM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: Cicero
Didn’t McCain say that he thought Alito was too extreme for the job? And didn’t he help organize the Gang of 14?

Some keep saying that McCain said he wore his conservatism on his sleeve - I've yet to see that "quote" attributed to anything verifiable. Let's not forget the gang of 14 judicial compromise was primarily about procedure over ideology. In other words McCain voted for all the judges he was able to get through.
24 posted on 05/19/2008 9:45:08 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
Any news of when the death penalty for child rape decision will be coming down? Dying to know the answer to that one.

Never. If a predator knows he will receive the same penalty for raping but not killing a child as he would for raping and killing a child, then the logical decision would be to kill the child so they can never tell or testify against them.

25 posted on 05/19/2008 10:17:10 AM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: Valpal1
You make a good policy argument that should be debated by the respective state legislatures. The question before the SCOTUS is whether such a punishment violates the 8th Amendment. Save such arguments for your state senator and representative. There are good arguments on both sides, and the SCOTUS should allow the issue to play out that way.
26 posted on 05/19/2008 10:45:34 AM PDT by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: Clump
I'm a nerd, so excuse my nerdy question, but do you know how the state legislature's lawyers were able to distinguish making child rape a capital offense vis a vis rape not being constitutionally permitted to be a capital offense (a la the Coker v. GA) case? I was wondering if the high rate of recidivism offset the the "disproportionality of the crime to the punishment" rationale in Coker?
27 posted on 05/19/2008 11:41:32 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan (The only thing dumber than a Republican or a Democrat is when the two work together - Lewis Black)
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To: Fishtalk

Speaking as a fellow conservative, Fish, I don’t think McCain will be a savior. I think we take risks with any Prez: heck, even Reagan appointed that dolt O’Connor.

But with McCain, our chances are MUCH MUCH MUCH better than if Hussein or Hitlery appoint a SCOTUS justice! :)


28 posted on 05/19/2008 1:21:12 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
State legislators can make whatever laws they want. Whether they get enforced or not is another story. We still have a ban on homosexual conduct in TX, the Lawrence decision notwithstanding. It is not enforced however. Also, states often push the envelope to see how a current SCOTUS may treat their law. Sometimes changes in the law, or more importantly, personnel, prompt them to give it a shot. There are also distinctions between the Coker case and the one here that bear on the specific holding in Coker. Significant enough to warrant an outcome that allows the DP perhaps.
29 posted on 05/20/2008 2:00:02 PM PDT by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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