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Susan Estrich: Year of the Sweetie?
FOXNews.com ^
| May 18, 2008
| Susan Estrich
Posted on 05/19/2008 6:39:17 AM PDT by NCDragon
LOS ANGELES Have we gone from the "Year of the Woman" to the "Year of the Sweetie"?
So it appears. It's not the "sweetie" part that gets me, and I suspect a lot of other women. It's the concern that, not to sound trite, some of the guys out there, maybe including the probable Democratic nominee for President, just don't "get it."
If you can remember that far back, this was supposed to be another one of those "Year of the Woman" elections, the first time a woman was entering the race as the frontrunner for her party's nomination, with the big question being whether women would see this as the historic occasion it was and abandon their concerns about whether Hillary should've dumped Bill over Monica and whether it was her ambition that kept them together. Hillary's problems with women, going back to the "stand by her man" comment and her lack of interest in baking chocolate chip cookies, have been discussed literally for decades. During her first Senate race, it took her months of listening, the patronizing sexism of her opponent in their one and only debate, and a particularly effective ad by a breast cancer survivor reminding women that Hillary would be there for them on the issues that matter, before women moved to support her in major numbers and handed her a substantial majority of the votes. So there was some doubt, this time, about whether women would support one of their own or, maybe more fundamentally, see Hillary Rodham Clinton that way.
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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2gay2beprez; 2sexist2beprez; bisexual; democratparty; elections; obama; putsomeiceonit; sweetie
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:39:17 AM PDT
by
NCDragon
To: NCDragon
I know this won’t be popular, but I think people who use endearments to strangers tend to be very nice people, comfortable in their own skin.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:42:26 AM PDT
by
Hildy
To: Hildy
Some “endearments” can be very condescending.........
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:45:04 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
To: Hildy
I agree, Saying just a minute sweetie is much more pleasant than just a minute whoever you are
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:45:56 AM PDT
by
y6162
To: Hildy
This is not a big issue really. However I dont think it was really sweetie that was the problem. It was the dismissive tone. A tone Obama seems to take whenever he is not in a highly prepped photo op situation. He even used the same tone in the “apology” call.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:46:10 AM PDT
by
mthom
To: NCDragon
Susan, honey, that’s a cute little article. Now could you run and get us some coffee? ;)
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:46:40 AM PDT
by
Mr. Jeeves
("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
To: NCDragon
Susan seems to have had her face totally redone again.
If Obama had said to the reporter, “Sweetie, it’s not the President’s job to do a d*mn thing for America’s auto workers,” I’d vote for him.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:47:11 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
("If Global Warming did not exist, the left would have to invent it. In fact, they did." ~Don Feder)
To: NCDragon
Why do feminists have such chips on their shoulders? I always take it as a compliment whenever I’m called sweetie or as it the practice down here “hun”. Yes I get that some people can be condenscending, but not everyone is looking to hold us down women! Maybe if the feminist threw that heavy chip off their shoulders, they’d be able to rise a little further.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:47:12 AM PDT
by
IMissPresidentReagan
(The only thing dumber than a Republican or a Democrat is when the two work together - Lewis Black)
To: NCDragon
Hey Susan, you ran the least likeable woman in America in this election, who also happens to have a litany of corruption filling her resume. Don’t complain to us that people didn’t embrace her.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:47:40 AM PDT
by
raptor29
To: Red Badger
I grew up hearing "sweetie" and "honey" and "sugar" - and yes, it can be used in a condescending manner, but the inflection of your voice indicates that.
I am guilty of using these terms myself - usually in a nice way - and rarely to offend, but occasionally a "Bless your heart Sugar" does sneak in there.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:49:56 AM PDT
by
WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
(It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
To: IMissPresidentReagan
Why do feminists have such chips on their shoulders?How much time do you have?
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:50:11 AM PDT
by
Jim Noble
(May 17 was my Tenth Anniversary on FR)
To: Hildy
I think people who use endearments to strangers tend to be very nice people I agree snookums.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:51:24 AM PDT
by
Graybeard58
(Hillary/Obama or John Mccain - -easy choice for me.)
To: IMissPresidentReagan
Maybe if the feminist threw that heavy chip off their shoulders, theyd be able to rise a little further Nicely done -
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:51:36 AM PDT
by
WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
(It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
To: NCDragon
The first real woman candidate for President is sinking fast and the man leading the race is calling women “sweetie”.
Delicious.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:52:46 AM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
To: mthom
Exactly. Throw “sweetie” on top of it and it is not only dismissive but condescending as well.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:54:18 AM PDT
by
evets
(I have a crush on Hillary.)
To: Hildy
I seem to remember George W Bush said something similar to a female and got racked over the coals for it? And nobody came to his defense
With that being said, there is no excuse for what he said. It was wrong and it was definitely condescending, imo. Obama, as a man, was talking down to her.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:55:37 AM PDT
by
rawhide
To: raptor29
Hey Susan, you ran the least likeable woman in America in this election, who also happens to have a litany of corruption filling her resume. Dont complain to us that people didnt embrace her. The situation in a nutshell, but Hillary Clinton must have been defeated by sexism.
After all if you vote for B Hussein Obama you're a chauvinist pig. And if you vote for Hillary Clinton you're a racist.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:59:13 AM PDT
by
Rummyfan
(Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
To: mthom
You are right. I notice that about Obama, when he speaks sometimes. He dismisses people. I remember the flap over his pancakes, “Can I finish my pancakes?”. If Obama wanted to eat his pancakes in peace, he should have stayed on the bus or in the hotel room, instead of venturing out in the public.
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posted on
05/19/2008 6:59:36 AM PDT
by
rawhide
To: IMissPresidentReagan
Trust me, I’m no feminist and I found it offensive. It was calling her “sweetie” coupled with brushing off her question. Not once, but twice. Even when he apologized to her later he never answered her question. I realize he had no answer to her question but he tried to use his smooth talk to get around doing so. And, as usual, he succeeded.
To: Rummyfan
“After all if you vote for B Hussein Obama you’re a chauvinist pig. And if you vote for Hillary you’re a racist.”
Well, I’ll vote for neither then!!!!
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:03:59 AM PDT
by
raptor29
To: evets
Did Balok call someone sweetie?
What’s he doing there - ordering up some tranya?
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:05:40 AM PDT
by
swain_forkbeard
(Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
To: jennyjenny
A lot about nothing. All these pathetic women tying their fortunes to Hillary Clinton. Had she not married Bill Clinton she would not be a senator or a nominee. My advise to them is get over it. When the right woman for the presidency comes along she will be elected easily. As to Obama’s sweetie remark I heard it all my life and never felt offended.
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:11:24 AM PDT
by
mimaw
To: Red Badger
I happened to see the video of the incident and Obama made his remark in a very condescending, dismissive way!
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:11:53 AM PDT
by
Fran B
To: NCDragon
I use sweetie, deary and my dear all the time....
And if, "they" don't like it, I don't care..
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:13:25 AM PDT
by
hosepipe
(CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
To: jennyjenny
coupled with brushing off her question. Where is it written that one must respond to every question, just to satisfy some chick's idle curiosity?
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:14:42 AM PDT
by
HIDEK6
To: HIDEK6
The chick was a reporter trying to do her job by asking him a question on his policy re: helping the auto workers. It proved to be too tough for the rock star.
To: NCDragon
Only a totally radicalized femnazi douche bag would write a article like this. I know the only reason Roger Ailes uses her on Fox is because so is so totally repulsive she turns people away from the Democrats.
To: mthom
If she, the reporter, had replied "that's ok
boy - I understand it's just the way you talk..." There would be hell to pay.
Sweetie good - boy bad!
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:32:50 AM PDT
by
DaveyB
(Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself - John Adams)
To: NCDragon
Feminism is kaput its demographic sliver is smaller and smaller each year and it is in coalition with the racial/ethnic hustlers who give it no respect.
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:36:00 AM PDT
by
junta
(It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
To: swain_forkbeard
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posted on
05/19/2008 7:45:02 AM PDT
by
evets
(I have a crush on Hillary.)
To: NCDragon
This may not have ever gotten play if he did not fail to keep his promise to talk to her later.
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posted on
05/19/2008 8:03:01 AM PDT
by
elizabetty
(Voting for McCain is like deciding to cut off your leg because it is stuck in a bear trap.)
To: evets
I certainly would not go there boldly or any other way.
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posted on
05/19/2008 8:25:43 AM PDT
by
swain_forkbeard
(Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
To: IMissPresidentReagan
Because they were told they could have it all and it wasn’t true.
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posted on
05/19/2008 8:39:27 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: evets
Susan looks like she has a serious jag on in the first shot.
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posted on
05/19/2008 8:41:32 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: raptor29
After all if you vote for B Hussein Obama youre a chauvinist pig. And if you vote for Hillary youre a racist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I can’t wait to see which one I’m gonna be.
To: evets
That’s Ron Howard’s brother.
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posted on
05/19/2008 8:51:39 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: HIDEK6
He would have been better off pretending to not hear the question rather than dismissing her with 'sweetie.' Nothing wrong with terms of endearment but this one amounted to a pat on the head. As in, "Go away little girl." (cue Donny Osmond)
In the meantime, what is his answer the question? Sweetie is still waiting.
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posted on
05/19/2008 9:01:00 AM PDT
by
carmody
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