Posted on 05/19/2008 5:35:51 AM PDT by Dukes Travels
Conservatives don’t love John McCain, but unless they’re considering abandoning their cause with Atlas Shrugged proportions, there’s no way in hell they’ll vote for Barack Obama.
Sometimes, things have to get worse before they get better. And with that idea in mind, the conservative movement really is America’s crutch.
The most specific example is economics, as conservatives constantly preach lower taxes and greater individual freedom. One would think that the Bush tax cuts, which have yielded continued economic growth (yes, our economy is growing, despite the lies you keep hearing), and the burgeoning economy during the Reagan Administration would provide enough proof to, at the very least, convince people that maybe, just maybe, there’s something to be said for lower taxes.
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Vehemently disagree.
McCain would be more damaging to conservatism than Obama. The next 2-4 years are going to be very, very hard. Regardless of who gets elected. However, the man in charge takes the blame.
McCain will be up against a 70 vote majority house and filibuster proof senate. Anyone who thinks a conservative judge will get through is smoking crack. And its entirely possible they’ll defund the war anyway. So what would we end up with? A global warming believing, gitmo closing-captured terrorist coddling, tax hiking (and lying), free speech suppressing, angry socialist.
VR shrugs.
“Free Trade” conservatives already shrugged, by exporting America’s factories and manufacturing to Communist China.
Atlas cannot shrug, twice. Atlas no longer holds those pillars. Those pillars are now being held up by factory owners named Wang, and Li.
Either conservatives get back to Reagan’s brand of blue-collar conservatism, or democrats will win perpetually from here on.
/rant off
Obama would be more damaging to America.
You can always smell a McCainiac a mile away. It's the smug odor that screams shut up, sit down, and grow up. Besides, this guy doesn't even look old enough to vote, much less castigate conservatives for not supporting a liberal weenie like McCain.
If I even thought about voting for Juan as the proverbial lesser of two evils, that went flying out the window after his pandering global warming speech last week.
It's third party for me, or, nobody.
Just about time to go Gulching for a few years.............
McCain does not want conservative support, he is actively courting RINOs and liberal-leftists instead. Not attracting conservative votes was his decision, not mine.
This same argument has been posted countless times in the last several weeks. The author of the article makes so many false or half truth statments that it’s hard to say where to start. Let McCain go his own way. I will take no part in voting for him.
Exactly. He has insulted me repeatedly. To go and vote for him and make nice would be acting like a battered wife.
I know that’s probably an over-the-top comparison but it’s all I can think of right now.
Agree.
woollyone will also shrug.
Woolly Gulch is prepared for the collapse.
Let the GOP get the weak, unelectable, middle of the road pseudo-moderate socialist that it wanted.
We’ll see how that works out for them.
It is NEVER a good idea to hand victory to a socialist, NEVER. McCain has considerably more wooing to do of conservatives before I will openly and full-heartedly support him, but he is far, far better than the alternative, and I happen to like Obama very much. But I will NEVER betray the conservative cause, by conceding victory to a socialist.
Obama is so far left that there is as much or more of a difference between he and McCain, as there is between McCain and most conservatives' conception of an ideal conservative candidate. As we do not have the latter, I'll take McCain. Anything less is an abandonment and betrayal of all the conservative principles on behalf of which I have been working for the past 30 years.
You are betraying the conservative cause by voting for a socialist claiming to be a conservative since February 2008.
Don’t deny it. You know it.
People who hold their nose and vote milquetoast/socialist R because its an R have caused the dilution of conservatism in the first place. You encourage the practice. Congratulations, you are responsible for the death of the conservative movement.
Indylindy also shrugs.
Face it. We all are not going to agree on this election. Some will vote for Juan, some won’t.
Get over it and quit asking folks to vote for a person they do not respect on important issues. Those issues are non negotiable for many.
Obviously Juan does not need our vote anyway. The GOP and the Rat party will be the responsible parties for enabling Obama. They have only themselves to blame.
The questions I have recently been asking myself: What will it take to regain the country if McCain is elected? What will it take if Obama is elected? The answer to the first one is “simple”: the voting booth. The answer to the second question? I just don’t know!
And the country will move to the left with McCain also, only a little slower.
Therefore, conservatives should abandon their principles and vote for McCain because slow suicide is preferable.
What convoluted, incoherent "logic."
I feel like I need Dramamine after forcing myself to read this mess twice.
One man disagreeing with many, many people is not the same as one man battering his wife or many people battering one person. It's a poor analogy, extremely flawed and not even close. Furthermore, it is a statement that belittles and shows little compassion for women who have been battered by their husbands.
CC also shrugging here. If the GOP is this desperate to lose who am I to stand in their way.
Actually voting for a McCain or a McCain like politician when the ideal conservative is not in the running, gives conservatives time to regroup and push rightward at the next available opportunity. That’s the way I’ve always and will continue to view it. One should NEVER concede victory to a socialist.
I agree. Though the realities on the ground make it difficult, I will probably LITERALLY hold my nose when I stand in the booth and vote for McCain.
We can hope for a conservative running mate with him, though.
Look, if conservatives don’t hold McCain’s feet to the fire and require him to meet some of our demands, if we abandon him, there will be no one listening to us at all. McCain, whether he likes it or not, needs our votes to even have a chance, and he is going to be willing to cut deals.
We have to stick it to him.
While the GOP may have chosen President Bush, it wasn’t the GOP who chose McCain. Moderates, independents and Democrats did.
Agreed.
Beautiful tagline.
Thank you sir, I have gotten a jump on the rest of the socialists and taken things away from you for the common good.
I shrugged on February 7, then made it official by filing for divorce from the GOP in April, one day after voting against McCain in the PA primary:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1966556/posts?page=24#24
No, we won’t vote for Obama, but we can skip the Presidential ballot and go on to the other races.
Right now, I’m going to vote for McCain but, I’m real close to skipping the presidential ballot (or its equivalent - voting Losertarian or Green).
Agreed, I wil not vote for McCain.
I will cast my vote for him or vote against Obama.
I will not drink the Socialist Republocrat Kool-Aid
Screw McCain as he has screwed us.
But continuing to exaggerate the negative unto yourself by painting McCain and others far less conservative than yourself with a broad socialistic brush, gives you the necessary rationalization to abandon and betray the conservative cause. It is a mistake and a twisting of reality to which I am unwilling to adhere.
VOTE FOR Mr. THOMPSON!
By their actions, they have eliminated themselves from the political discourse. They have nothing to say, except "Good-Bye".
Socialist may promise smaller governments but deliver it none the less. McCain’s back door is Global Warming.
They have nothing to say, except "Good-Bye".
In a political environment when things 'get worse' it can take generations before they get better and only then with a lot of suffering and bloodshed. Is that what we want for our nation and children? Vote the Communists OUT!
Yes, I am painfully aware of McCain’s downfalls. But to label him a socialist is an exaggeration which is wholly inaccurate and intellectually dishonest. He’s a moderate.
You, who swallow wholesale the lies McCain is spewing. And are believing what you want to see. How is his massive global warming bill less government? How is comprehensive immigration reform less government? How is attacking tax cuts for years until 2008 declaring he would suddenly keep them when it became apparent he might be nominated believable?
I am not the deluded one.
See tagline.
So McCain = Obama? Is that what you’re saying?
I also see in your profile your love of the first amendment.
Gee? Who concocted the first legislation in the history of our government to partially suppress political free speech?
Oh thats right! The so-called moderate!
Oh! Lets vote for him, for he will save our Republic! With the banning of free speech! The implementation of massive beaurocracy and taxation via global warming! The mass amnesty of illegals and accompanying beaurocracy, for they will save the conservative movement by voting dem 75%! Alito’s that he hates, and Souters that will pass an all-dem congress.
McCain! The savior of the conservative movement. He will kill it, and make it better 35 years later. Vote for the R!
McCain defies labeling. But the issues he gets passionate about are issues that make socialist hearts beam.
LOL, funny tagline. But they’re wrong. McCain can’t win without conservatives. And this election, conservatives can’t win without McCain.
Thanks for articulating my reasons for staying home for the first time ever.
Either way we lose, big time! Both Obama and McCain will do great harm to the country, only difference being that one will do it with sweet rhetoric while the other one will grit his teeth and berate his (supposed) fellow conservatives (in the process).
I’m tired of the “pump and dump” routine that the RINOS have been doing to us every four years. Time for a new approach.
If conservatives ever get the courage to organize a meaningful third party effort to save this nation, I will come out of my self-imposed political slumber.
Until then, I will continue to plan to enjoy the few years that I feel the country has left.
1.) Whom, specifically, do you suppose will be paying for the health care McCain's beloved additional 30-to-40 million additional illegals are (inevitably) going to need?
2.) From where, specifically, do you suppose that money will logically be coming? Will the marvelous magical Money Fairy be providing, in this instance... or: will McCain ultimately need to tap some other source, instead?
I seem to recall similar articles written on May 19, 2004, May 19, 2000, May 19, 1996, May 19, 1992 -- just about every election year. "Too Much at Stake!" "Hold Your Nose and Vote Republican!" And I believed them.
But, as Roberto Duran once said, "No más". I will go out and vote Republican (so the party can't blame the lack of turnout), but I will not vote for McCain.
Under a Democratic administration, our first amendment rights are in far greater jeopardy. I oughta know after my experience under Clinton and Mayor Rendell.
I'll my chances with McCain rather than Obama thank you very much!
I say send McCain home in November bitter and angry from his defeat at the hands of conservatives, the very conservatives he has sought to destory the last 10 years.
“The fact is that America is moving to the left. We haven’t reached European proportions yet, but our direction is clear, we’re accelerating and it’s time conservatives grasped it.”
I’ve predicted this right here on FreeRepublic numerous times over the past few years. Most recently:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2017269/posts?page=83#83
Shockley continues:
“Part of me is really interested to see what will happen if Obama becomes our next president. How much of his liberal agenda would he actually achieve, and how would the country react? I worry that things will get much worse, that we’ll lose much of our freedom, and the generally strong Christian presence in our country that I believe is among the primary reasons for our strength over the last few centuries will rapidly diminish.”
One watches crowds of 75,000 (as in Oregon on Sunday) with the trepidation that German Jews must have had, watching the Nazi rallies in Nurnberg in the 1930’s....
I’m not interested in seeing what’s going to happen, period - for exactly the reason in the previous paragraph.
- John
What do you think our chances for lower taxes of any kind will be under Obama?
I’ll wait to see who the bum picks as his running mate.
Do you even comprehend how we got into this situation?
The lesser of evil is still evil.
Screaming “But the other guy is worse!” IS HOW WE GOT HERE!
WE HAVE TO STOP IT NOW!
For the good of the country, STOP “BECAUSE THE OTHER GUY IS WORSE!”
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