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Students Petition For Tougher Gun Laws (ILLINOIS - ROFL)
CBS 2 CHICAGO ^ | 18 MAY 2008 | CBS 2 CHICAGO

Posted on 05/18/2008 8:29:10 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

CHICAGO (CBS) ― More students are speaking out against gun violence in their neighborhoods.

They met Sunday to show Illinois lawmakers and the governor that they want tougher gun laws.

CBS 2's Pamela Jones reports that the high school students have collected more than 1,000 petition signatures.

Each stood with their own story of gun violence.

"It hurts me to see the youth, because I have a friend who died, Blair Holt, from gun violence,' said Christine Goggins, a student from the Gwendolyn Brooks College Preparatory Academy.

"Before I was born, 18 years ago, a 16-year-old New Trier student shot and killed my aunt, uncle and their unborn baby. I never got to meet them," said Liz Jenkins, a New Trier High School student.

They're high school students who have been collecting more than 1,000 signatures from people who want stricter gun laws in Illinois.

"I really just want to see guns off the street, period," said Eddie Bland, a student at Al Raby High School.

The Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says it wants the state to ban assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines – weapons like those reportedly used in the Virginia Tech shootings.

The group also wants required background checks for all gun buyers – no matter where they purchase guns.

"We know from ATF where illegal guns are coming from; many of them are coming from private sellers -- others are coming from gun dealers," said Nina Vinik of the Legal Community Against Violence.

Right now, Illinois requires gun owners to have a valid firearm owners identification card – which includes a background check. But sometimes people who shouldn't qualify slip through, like the suspect in the NIU shooting.

He'd received mental health treatment, but passed a background check and purchased his guns legally.

Supporters at today's press conference say the idea is to close loopholes that allow guns to get into the hands of criminals. But lawmakers say passing that kind of legislation is a difficult task.

"It's difficult because we have a regional issue. Legislators in downstate Illinois feel like we're impeding on their right to own handguns -- we're trying to remove guns from responsible gun owners and that's completely not the case," said Rep. Deborah Graham (D-78th).

The Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence formed last year to promote gun policy reform.


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1 posted on 05/18/2008 8:29:10 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It is the culture, specifically the lack of intact nuclear families, not the guns.


2 posted on 05/18/2008 8:31:32 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This is what happens when you don’t teach “the children” about the meaning of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights and explain to them that hundreds of thousands of Americans died protecting those documents.


3 posted on 05/18/2008 8:32:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well, off to the gun store tomorrow. I wish these little bastards would make their way down to the central part of the state.


4 posted on 05/18/2008 8:32:27 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97

Okay, that came out wrong. What I meant is I am going to have to make a purchase before more gun laws come in to place here in Illinois. As for the useful idiots I would like to give them an education on individual rights.


5 posted on 05/18/2008 8:34:49 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
" More students are speaking out against gun violence in their neighborhoods...They met Sunday to show Illinois lawmakers and the governor that they want tougher gun laws."

Poor, ignorant fools. They do not realize that the people they are taking guns away from are law-abiding citizens. Their actions make it tougher for regular citizens to acquire the means by which to protect themselves, their families, and neighborhoods. Meanwhile, criminals, who are not bound by the limits of the law, will continue to amass firearms and lay havock to innocent citizens.

6 posted on 05/18/2008 8:35:06 PM PDT by BloodOrFreedom
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To: FlingWingFlyer

This is what happens when you don’t teach “the children” about the meaning of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights and explain to them that hundreds of thousands of Americans died protecting those documents.
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They are the product of the DELIBERATE suppression of the teaching of TRUE American history. Brainwashed and indoctrinated, not taught. This is what you get — good little Marxists who have no idea what the Constitution and its Bill of Rights are about. It is the agenda of the left.


7 posted on 05/18/2008 8:35:49 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Christine Goggins should go down to Comiskey Park but go to the other side of the Dan Ryan.

After she gets raped, she may be shot by someone with an illegal gun.

Maybe then, she will have more appreciation for allowing law abiding people to have legal gun ownership, that is, if she is still alive.

Short visit to the wrong side of the “tracks,” valuable education.


8 posted on 05/18/2008 8:36:53 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"I really just want to see guns off the street, period," said Eddie Bland, a student at Al Raby High School.

From what I understand, the politicians in your state can't even get the dead deer off the street.

Illinois highway workers put the brakes on roadkill pick-ups
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2017856/posts

9 posted on 05/18/2008 8:39:27 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
""We know from ATF where illegal guns are coming from; many of them are coming from private sellers -- others are coming from gun dealers," said Nina Vinik of the Legal Community Against Violence."

As for this ridiculous statement...The gun dealers are not the ones selling firearms to criminals, at least not intentionally. The background checks are mandatory (at least they are in my NJ). The illegal guns are not coming from gun dealers or private sellers...they come from the black market, which is totally different from a private seller. Any gun owner can decide to privately sell their firearm. Not illegal. Their terminology in this article is dangerous, as it paints gun owners desiring to sell their firearms--without using a middle-man/gun-dealer--as criminals and accessories to illegal firearm trafficing.

10 posted on 05/18/2008 8:40:26 PM PDT by BloodOrFreedom
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 "We know from ATF where illegal guns are coming from; many of them are coming from private sellers -- others are coming from gun dealers," said Nina Vinik of the Legal Community Against Violence.

But of course no criminal ever steals his gun, right?

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Great because you did it!
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11 posted on 05/18/2008 8:40:57 PM PDT by JCG
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To: EagleUSA

This is the state where you need a special card just to LOOK at a gun.

Asshats.


12 posted on 05/18/2008 8:42:14 PM PDT by QBFimi2 (Ve are the New World Order; ve bring to the world dis-order. Spike Jones, 1943.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Wasn’t there a city, county in Georgia that tried to make it mandatory for all it’s citizens to carry. I believe that the law was suppressed, however … to this day, gun crime is non-existent there, just by the threat that all members of that community might be armed?


13 posted on 05/18/2008 8:45:39 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: QBFimi2

If somebody somewhere had that magical wand they could wave that would rid the world of guns, it wouldn’t take a week before criminals were making guns in their home work shops. They might not look as nice as the guns we have now—but they could shoot and be deadly.


14 posted on 05/18/2008 8:48:36 PM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Stricter than what? They’re just one of two red states (see map on post showing states with gun laws) that have draconian gun laws that defy the Constitution’s 2nd. Amendment ...


15 posted on 05/18/2008 8:51:27 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The teachers probably put the kids up to this as part of their extreme left wing indoctrination.


16 posted on 05/18/2008 8:52:07 PM PDT by Aglooka
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“...and first among the defenseless casuality statistics were...”


17 posted on 05/18/2008 8:56:24 PM PDT by DGHoodini ("I never did believe you much, anyway...")
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To: SkyDancer
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18 posted on 05/18/2008 9:04:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Hillary/Obama or John Mccain - -easy choice for me.)
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To: randomhero97
I wish these little bastards would make their way down to the central part of the state.

No thanks - from Pekin, Illinois

19 posted on 05/18/2008 9:07:10 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Hillary/Obama or John Mccain - -easy choice for me.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The most disconcerting aspect of this story is that these poor benighted children have gotten the notion that social problems are solved by governments and more laws; self-reliance has been totally programmed out of them.


20 posted on 05/18/2008 9:08:58 PM PDT by Spok (Ignorance is no excuse-it's the real thing.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
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21 posted on 05/18/2008 9:10:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Hillary/Obama or John Mccain - -easy choice for me.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How liberals and conservatives see firearms:


22 posted on 05/18/2008 9:11:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee
So a bunch of goobermint indoctrinated high school dimwits all sign a petition against EBRs and other such "evil" entities. I wonder if they believe in little green men too?! :-)

It's ironic really. I have in my lap at the moment one such item, on which is plainly stamped on the left side -

Armalite INC.
Geneseo IL


BANG!

BANG! Maybe Armalite should relocate to a more "hospitable" state? The reason I bought this particular EBR is because the Illinois State Police have been buying this EXACT model for several years now and it gets rave reviews by them for being very good a popping bad guys.

It's a tribute to those who indoctrinated these idiotic kids. They're doing what they were trained to do, and doing it well. But it is unfortunate that they'll suffer the "leftists disappointment" when they realize that after they ban evil assault weapons that the gun violence rate will go up.

I have a great idea! Whey don't they make it illegal in IL to murder people! Surely that would fix this problem! Oh...wait...NEVERMIND...
23 posted on 05/18/2008 9:14:57 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: BloodOrFreedom
""We know from ATF where illegal guns are coming from; many of them are coming from private sellers -- others are coming from gun dealers," said Nina Vinik of the Legal Community Against Violence."

We also know where the criminals are coming from, they're being created by the thousands every year in big cities like Chicago and New York.

Only partially tongue in cheek:
How long will we allow these big cities to create thousands of criminals every year with impunity?

We must get the lawsuits going to force these cities to stop the creation of criminals, if they won't do so, the courts must step in and take over the day to day running of these cities.

24 posted on 05/18/2008 9:15:13 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Here, let me say it again........... Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.


25 posted on 05/18/2008 9:15:47 PM PDT by umgud (Hillary still has broad support......... in her girdle)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"We know from ATF..."

Would that be the same ATF who's field agent shot himself with the loaded Glock in a classroom full of highschool kids? I know you all have seen that.
26 posted on 05/18/2008 9:16:58 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: hiredhand

PLEASE don’t tell me what that rifle is doing on your lap!


27 posted on 05/18/2008 9:17:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
PLEASE don’t tell me what that rifle is doing on your lap!

Not a whole heck of a lot! ...cept for getting my britches oily. I had been shooting it earlier, and I cleaned it. :-) I'm going to locate a photo of a GOOD "Constitutionally Minded" kid...as soon as I can locate it! :-)
28 posted on 05/18/2008 9:21:27 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: BloodOrFreedom

Idiots such as these are responsible for more deaths than all wars combined since recorded history began.

Individually they may not harm a fles, but they make it possible for evil individuals to do so.


29 posted on 05/18/2008 9:28:13 PM PDT by sport
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To: Travis McGee; hiredhand
PLEASE don’t tell me what that rifle is doing on your lap!

It's a rifle. It kills. Duh. :)

30 posted on 05/18/2008 9:28:13 PM PDT by Brad's Gramma (Vote for my German Shepherds!!!! They're smarter than what's running!!)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Gilbo_3
Here's one to cheer you and Squantos (and everybody else!) up with the knowlege that not all teenagers are MORONS. This photo was taken as my 15 yr old daughter was unpacking her gear from my brother's truck about a month ago when we all went for a shoot. She's holding her Armalite SPR (Special Purpose Rifle - a VERY accurate model A-4) and NOBODY outshoots her except for me and my brother once in a while!

BANG!
31 posted on 05/18/2008 9:29:20 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: Rembrandt

Individuals such as this never “get it”.

They live their entire lives stupid and when they die they are still stupid.

Most of us learn as we live. These types never do. They are born stupid, they live stupid and they will die stupid.


32 posted on 05/18/2008 9:32:23 PM PDT by sport
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To: Graybeard58

Graybeard, with these individuals the answer would be “c”.


33 posted on 05/18/2008 9:35:07 PM PDT by sport
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To: sport

Tragically, however, they do vote.


34 posted on 05/18/2008 9:35:36 PM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Gilbo_3
Here's one more. :-)

BANG!
35 posted on 05/18/2008 9:39:20 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: sport
...and they will die stupid.

Hopefully sooner than later.
36 posted on 05/18/2008 9:40:42 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: randomhero97

It didn’t come out ‘’wrong’’ at all. You’ve just been (mildly, I hope) somewhat infected with PC.


37 posted on 05/18/2008 9:42:37 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ

I know, right, Goebbels would be proud.


38 posted on 05/18/2008 9:59:10 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Went to a gunshow today. For the first time I can ever recall, the ATF had a table. At a gun show.

Needless to say it wasn’t well-attended. The ATF table. The show was packed.

I almost walked up and told them they should be selling those ATF tshirts that say ATF should be a convenience store. But I figured they had heard it already :)


39 posted on 05/18/2008 10:38:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy - Codename -> "Bobber")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Gun Control IS important. Every law abiding citizen should know how to control their gun. Like any right, it comes with responsibilities. More people die from cigarettes, car accidents and the like. How many lives have been saved when a law abiding citizen was able to defend themselves from certain death.

They don’t teach that in schools


40 posted on 05/18/2008 11:57:41 PM PDT by cynout
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Each stood with their own story of gun violence.”

If you know very many people who have been shot, you need to get a new circle of friends and, more importantly, move.


41 posted on 05/19/2008 12:00:50 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: EyeGuy

The media is defining gun culture to an outrageous point.
In the comedy “My Mom’s New Boyfriend”, the agent makes a big deal to get his gun and deal with a love-sick, kind-looking Italian chef midnight serenading and wailing his love for the Mom.
He needs a gun for that!
All over the media it’s pointing guns at everyone and everything.


42 posted on 05/19/2008 12:13:36 AM PDT by paristwelve (.......the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them)
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To: hiredhand

I guess you won’t have to worry about her too much!


43 posted on 05/19/2008 3:44:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: hiredhand
It is very important that our side get our facts right:
Would that be the same ATF who's field agent shot himself with the loaded Glock in a classroom full of highschool kids? I know you all have seen that.
DEA, not ATF: Lee Paige, patron saint of The Only Ones*

Peet...

*With apologies to David Codrea...


44 posted on 05/19/2008 4:49:24 AM PDT by Peet (Insert clever phrase here.)
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To: hiredhand; Squantos; Travis McGee; B4Ranch
God willing, in 13 or so years I'll have a similar picture to share of baby Victoria...Im betting she'll outshoot daddy regularly [cause that aint hard to do lololo]...

have you guys been gettin local ads for 'mayors against the gun show lOOphole' ??? Been seeing it for a week or so here...

45 posted on 05/19/2008 5:22:43 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: hiredhand

Agreed!


46 posted on 05/19/2008 5:52:04 AM PDT by sport
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To: Gilbo_3

Nope......such an ad here is political sucide. Gun Show this weekend.


47 posted on 05/19/2008 6:07:15 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Gilbo_3

Nope......such an ad here is political suicide. Gun Show this weekend.


48 posted on 05/19/2008 6:07:37 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: hiredhand; Eaker; Lurker

LOL.... wasn’t her favorite quote ....... “Stupid Hurts” ??

She’s yer over-watch I’ll bet or should be !

Eaker has a baby girl that is quiet good with Uzi’s !

Maybe he’ll post some pics of her at the range .


49 posted on 05/19/2008 6:15:16 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

These kids are stupid. I could shoot down any argument they have.

No pun intended


50 posted on 05/19/2008 6:21:21 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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