Must run.. late (again)
and funny you mention about basketball teams.. Mine (LeBron James) -- the Cavaliers lost last night!
Posted on 05/15/2008 1:27:45 AM PDT by laberphany
China's Defense Ministry said early Thursday that it has ordered the deployment of 101 more helicopters to the quake-hit Sichuan province.
The General Staff of the People's Liberation Army has ordered the airborne troops of the Army and Air Force to send 71 more transport helicopters to help the quake relief work, a spokesman of the Ministry told Xinhua.
He said the civil aviation department will also send 30 transport helicopters to the quake-hit area.
These helicopters will engage in airdropping materials, transferring the wounded and delivering troops, said the spokesman.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.xinhuanet.com ...
Prayers for the innocent...
Welcome to Free Republic. Are you Chinese?
I just noticed your sign-up date. You’re not a ChiCom PLA troll are you? Just asking...
Chinese, but not PLA
By the way, is there any difference if I’m a PLA?
Yep, so?
Most of the ChiCom/PLA operatives have been quite clumsy and easily identified, but some speak and write very fluent colloquial English and can be quite deceiving.
I understand that over the past couple of days that there has been a major influx of new sign-ups on FR from mainland China. So, please understand our suspicion, and don't take it personal if you are completely innocent.
Ping to #’s 5 and 7, FYI.
Yes they are a difference if you are PLA.
Welcome to FR, ChiCom. What are the standing orders for the day, btw? Are you not going to post about the wonderful work the ChiComs are doing especially in association with their “socialist Tibetian and Uighir brothers.”
Cranking the ping machine as I write this post. I think you’ll be fun - even if unintentionally (like others of your kind).
I just dont buy all the newly signed up influx of chinese to a conservative blog. Yes some may be genuine but I have a hunch the others are not. I loath chicoms.
Oh…. It looks like I get myself into some trouble.
No doubt, I am a Chinese, in fact in Shanghai, but not a PLA.
I work in a US firm, indeed.
I hear about this website just because my friends told me that people here show a heart of mercy to pray for those Chinese in earthquake. What I could do just let people who care this disaster here know more about the truth.
I never try to spread any ChiCom propaganda, even never try to force you to believe in what I said in post. But my thread could supply a different view to you about what happened in our country.
Just as what Voltaire said, I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.
Not death, but I respect your opinion even I don’t agree. That’s why I think we call here Free Republic.
Following is a letter I write to somebody who gave me a kindly welcome here, it also would be appropriate for all of you,
” Really, we didn’t have much feeling about Jesus or Christian, even many of us didn’t believe in Buddhism. But that doesn’t mean we are people without faith. We also believe what you believe, we do what you think is right, just without God’s guidance. We could be guided by a mercy heart.
Lack of communication and fake news set up China’s image like religious or political persecution. Just like many Chinese thought American had unhealthy attitude toward sex. But I think it’s very wrong idea. With the platform just like FReeRepublic, we could know and understand each other better.”
Glad to have you here. I’ve posted this elsewhere on FR but will post it again - at this time, my prayers and thoughts are with the victims and their families in China and Burma. People are suffering and incompetent governments only make this worse.
I, like most FReepers, welcome the chance to have a discussion with you and other China FReepers. I also hope such interactions will pave way for democracy, freedom, and liberty for the good people of China and the people living in the occupied territories of Tibet, Xinkiang, and Inner Mongolia.
What someone here want to hear is that we all hate the gov. and we are suffering in hell in china.Anything else would be regarded as lie.It's hard to communicate with such pertinacious bias.
Funny that it's very same as in some Chinese forum.If anyone of here can read Chinese,you can go to www.tianya.cn(which have more than 20,000,000 registered users and usually 200,000 online),or some other big forum. The reason why so many chinese come here is only because some thread with your link about the quake appeared on such forum.So it's not strange to have some curious ones here.I really see some threads posted by other country which also draw not only welcome but also suspicion.Just like here.
With suspicion communication is hard and even impossible.I think we can do nothing about this and have to leave,leave them in their delusion of persecution.
What are you complaining about? Most FReepers (that we call Jim Robinson’s merry bunch) are sad about the recent tragedies in China and have been praying continually for the dead and the living. At times of human suffering, we are all human beings first - irrespective of our origins, nationality, or regime.
As somebody who came to this country as a foreigner some years ago, I can attest to this aspect of America (also, the largest contributor to disasters and tragedies worldwide incl. the largest Islamic country - Indonesia).
At the same time, if/when we face blatant ChiCom propaganda, we’ll call it so (personally, I’ve not exchanged posts with you or our new Chinese posters until this morning).
Hopefully, our interactions will lead to mutual understanding and amity, and more importantly, freedom and liberty in China and its colonies.
Here is a video taken DURING the quake:
Hi welcome to Free Republic and I am quite impressed with your English!
Most of us know very little about China & have a lot of misinformation no doubt. It is great when some one like you is willing to enlighten us... but then again, we know just like in this country there are often many sides/impressions to the facts.
We get the sensational news which is often bad news re: China as well as most other nations. That would give the overall impression that things are terribly bad for all citizenry.
When the war in Iraq just started I was new to Free Republic & one of the posters was a Chinese gal (I think maybe early 20s ) who loved the American threads but was afraid to be caught by the govt. I am hoping things have changed for her & others. She eventually stopped posting & I always worried she was caught & got into big trouble for having American connections
I love Google earth & love to soar across your immense country
I hope you will stay & not be turned off by some who might be rude & unkind. Many of us hold friendship to be a very important part of FRee Republic. ...NOT just news.
please see my post 17!
I am glad you are here and I am american & always seem to get my self in trouble here at Free Republic ... no matter what you say or believe about anything, there will be someone who will jump on you about it.. sad but true. Religion, politics, & sex the BIG issues but there are others..
Stick around! Please?
Go back and read the post (#14) I responded to again. Hint: read the bit about encountering opposition to “ChiCom propaganda” on other threads. You wrote it!
And yes, I will continue to point out ChiCom genocide and atrocities. The ChiCom regime today is the most corrupt one in human history and has taken a greater toll in numbers of dead/exterminated than the Soviets.
I will not allow you to silence my opposition to what your government is doing in Tibet, Xinkiang, and Inner Mongolia/Manchuria. I don’t approve of the Han resettlement either.
Whether you choose to stay or leave is your choice - I don’t have any control or authority. I am just a faceless FReeper who enjoys posting here and making new FRiends.
However, I have my principles and will continue to stand by them - even if you think it’s “ridiculous.”
“We can communicate with no bias if we really want.”
Sorry...that’s just no possible. Every one of us has a bias. The word itself is not negative because the biases could be situated in geography, culture, ideology, beliefs, or linguistic (among others). There are some absolute truths but most human communication involves a bias of some kind.
That doesn’t mean, we cannot agree or communicate effectively. It only means that “unbiased” (or one way) communication is possible only in a totalitarian setting (like Saudi Arabia among others).
haha,sorry about my poor english.I am also a CET-4 college student’s level,oh,I remember my mark is 64!hahaha
DollyCal, adcycn, thank you both.
Yes, no matter what you make a choice there will be somebody against you, because you don’t cheer for the same basketball team, because you choose to support different Party, even just because you are from China.
But we live our life for ourselves, right?
The world is divided into 2 groups, those that agree and those that don’t. Luckily, we belong to the group that supports.
indcons,
Of course we could talk about that if you are really interesting at that. Next time, bring with some data or fact we could use to discuss.
But this time, I said nothing but Chinese gov sent helicopters to rescue survivors. It’s really shouldn’t be considered as “ChiCom propaganda”, OK?
Must run.. late (again)
and funny you mention about basketball teams.. Mine (LeBron James) -- the Cavaliers lost last night!
I read a pretty good article in a newspaper yesterday comparing and contrasting the differences between the disaster responses of the governments in Myanmar and China.
I might not agree with a number of the positions of the Chinese government, but I applaud their efforts at assisting their people in this time of trouble and for allowing international relief efforts to provide whatever aid they are offering.
One of the news articles about the quake stated that it was felt from Beijing to Hanoi. Did you feel it in Shanghai?
most western people know little about non-western world,including China.
it seems that western ordinary people also have no interests to study none-western world,because west-center mentality still hind deeply in your heads.
Chinese also did so before 19th century. Chinese had the most advanced civilization on the earth for thousands of years before industrializaton revelution,so Chinese also felt all foreigners were “barbarians” and had now interest to study the outside world,until industrialized Britain bombed the gate of China with cannons.
but after I looked through the comment on FR I find western ordinary people are as ignorant to non-western world as CHinese were to non-sinicized world.
maybe western people would not have interest to study non-western world ,until someday some non-western country bombed the gate of USA with Cannon as Britain did to Chinese empire in 1940....
Most Chinese know very little about the Western world, with the exception of the propaganda they are fed in school. How many Chinese know, for example, that 90+ per cent of the things they see and touch on a daily basis were designed or invented in the West, up to and including their hairstyles, their clothing, electricity, the republican form of government, communism, trains, eyeglasses, asphalt streets, and so on? In fact, most Chinese know very little about Chinese history, apart from the propaganda they are fed about how poor little China (the third largest country in the world) was bullied by foreign powers, while portraying China's thousands of years of empire-building either as barbarian pacification efforts or as attempts to civilize the natives.
well,how long have you been away from CHina now?
it seems that you are somewhat strange to mainland china today!
yes,I agree that CHinese government still keeps hawking its propaganda in textbooks and it offical medias....
but I doubt CHinese people,especially educated youth ,are ready to accept the offical report directly,when they can get more and more informantion and education..... In fact, I am one exact example...
In fact, Chinese today defy and doubt any the “big medias”,including Chinese government’s CCTV and CNN in USA....
TO Chinese people like me, CNN and CCTV are just two sides of one coin.both are full of prejudices and lies......
Give me a few instances of the prejudice and lies you've noticed in the Chinese state-sponsored media.
I look forward to reading your response to Zhang Fei’s post.
Wow...lots of new ChiCom trolls!
At that time I’m out of Shanghai for business travel. According to what my friends said, you could only feel some shaking in the building which is tall enough, something about structural whiplash effect. No damage, no death.
"You are too CNN!"and "You are too CCTV!"(which means biased and affectation) Do you know nowadays such tags are often used by chinese common folks,on forums,blogs,etc.All such sign of freedom of speech can be easily find by your own eyes if you want to.It's easy,if you don't want to go to china,then use internet.Even if you don't know mandarin you can use some translation tools or sites.There are tons of those things there,some even more radical.
Of course you will meet all kinds of people including,er,what you call ChiCom trolls,and surely you will also have a surprise.
I don't know much about communism,but I do know that today's Communism in china is not the one you used to familiar with 30 years ago.Now we chinese common folks realize the excellence of capitalism and the shortage of Communism and like to improve our life by absorb both good parts of these systems and ignore the ideology parts. Many things were done in wrong way even now,but what can we expect with a so large country with so many historical scars and difficulties?We need time and understanding to seek our road,all we want is making our living and have a good life.
Roger: “I don’t really understand the logic some article is following. In the morning article “China rushes to aid survivors”, it talks about how Chinese govt reacts to the crisis by sending in thousands of troops and supplies, while at the end, all of sudden, it starts to quote a person saying ” ‘The government is doing nothing for us. The government won’t help us,’ she said, over and over.” without giving out an exact context.”
This was my response:
The context is simple. The government has said it is sending large numbers of rescuers. Whether large numbers of rescuers are showing up is another matter. What they say and what they manage to do are not necessarily the same thing. Hence, the contrast between a government statement and the reality on the ground. Accounts like this are what might prod the government into sending yet more people out before even more survivors run out of time.
In this sense, they are doing the Chinese people a service - either by giving the central government unfiltered news that they cannot get via their subordinates, or by prodding a deliberately unresponsive central government into carrying out a genuine rescue effort, rather than simply putting on a show of responsiveness, and characterizing the casualties as inevitable.
The Katrina dead drowned in hours because the levees breached. The September 11 dead were burned to death. Earthquake survivors can live for days. But their ultimate fate depends on massive numbers of rescuers coming in. How is it obvious that not enough people are showing up? If journalists can reach the area and interview people who die over a period of hours, why can’t Chinese rescuers do so? The contrast with Katrina is incredible. When journalists finally managed to get there, all of the drowning deaths had already occurred.
I'm glad you were well away from it and my prayers go out to all of your countrymen who have been affected by this quake.
Thank you for your prayer.
5.2 is not a small one, that magnitude earthquake could be strong enough to crack plaster.
Appreciate your courage!
Ignoring your comment on me, I still want to share my view with you about your post.
Just as you mentioned, Chinese Communist made huge mistake in Cultural Rev. and Great Leap. I wasn’t born at that time. In our history book, Cultural Rev. was considered as an unmitigated disaster, and as an event should be avoided in the future.
We also were told that during the Cultural Revolution, much economic activity was halted and countless ancient buildings and artifacts were destroyed.
It is widely accepted in China that Cultural Revolution is not only a CCP’s mistake but an anarchy status of too much popular participation in whole society.
So what would you do? Blame CCP and the entire generation? Under that situation, a patriot should utter curses against gov, or supply help for society reform?
It’s no doubt that authorities were taking risks and were going to make mistakes in managing country. I think the key point is their attitude toward the mistake. Just look at changes of people’s life in the past 30 years after 1976. The introspection from Cultural Rev is an important reason why our gov shift focus from political struggle to economic reform.
I really didn’t know about what happened in Tibet, Inner Mongolia and Xinkiang as you said. Maybe you could list some link about those events. But, remember, just as you believed Chinese gov lied about what they did, American gov and media also lied for their political or economic purpose.
Discuss, not argue.
Troll.
I tire of chicom trolls. State run media lololol.
Sorry, it was off-topic. And it was also an emotional reply which went too far from what I wanted to say.
It’s also good to see that most American here showed their sympathy towards China. I still remember when 911 happened, many Chinese in China hurrayed the incident,claiming that it is the starting point that US is going down. What a big difference!
This was my experience in talking to Chinese and listening to Chinese language talk radio stateside - something like 2/3 of them thought we had it coming. This result was corroborated by many Chinese-speaking foreign expats in China. And on the occasions that I ventured into China, I obtained the same spread of results. Schadenfreude might be a German word, but it may have been coined with the Chinese in mind.
Jane: Of course it’s the government’s fault! All is their fault. The Chinese government never got anything right. To the author of this blog, I’m sick of your articles. If this is not called propaganda, I don’t know what else is considered propaganda. Oh, yeah the CCTV.”
And you thought Western governments were especially incompetent? The reality is that they get barraged by this kind of media coverage day in and day out. It is why China’s government sets strict controls on the domestic media. If China’s media reported on the incompetence, self-dealing, corruption and imperviousness to the public’s concerns in China’s government the way the Western media reports on Western governments, the masses would be in open revolt (since they can’t really vote the Party out of power).
1,Typical propaganda of CCTV :
CCTV channel 1:” the inflation rate in mainland China is ONLY 8%,most Chinese people feel it still ACCEPTABLE.....”
CCTV channel 4:” the infaltion rate in Taiwan hit 4.0%,and Taiwanese people all feel it UNACCEPTABLE “
Double standard? funny? in fact the two pieces of news were broadcast at the same time on two different channels of CCTV.
2,Tpycal CNN style report:
a chinese guy specially wrote a funny article mocking CNN
http://i.mop.com/badguy2000/blog/2008/03/19/6283445.html
...cound you pls translate it into english....just let poor US people know how disreputable CNN is now on the impression of ordinary CHinese people..
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