Posted on 05/13/2008 7:33:02 AM PDT by prolifefirst
FRED BARNES, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, "THE WEEKLY STANDARD": I think there are a couple of good reasons for not doing it now. One is Hillary Clinton still has this tiny chance of winning the nomination. It's 99 percent Obama's, but only 99 percent . . .
HUME: . . . my question though is why even more of them haven't broken and gone over to him?
KRAUTHAMMER: Because there is small chance that it could be Hillary Clinton. It is small but it exists.
KRAUTHAMMER: . . . they want to see what's going to happen tomorrow night. If she wins in a blowout--
HUME: . . . she does?
KRAUTHAMMER: --40 points, and it happens again in Kentucky, it will raise the buyer's remorse. A lot of Democrats are thinking are we actually going to nominate a guy who is going to lose an election in the most unlosable year in the last 50?
LIASSON: Look, there are some Democrats who feel that she can't get the nomination and he can't win the general election. There is a bit of a dilemma . . .
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
My money is still on Hillary.
I don’t know how you get past the idea that for Obama to win party professionals have to knowingly opt to loose the White House in a route and get beat down ticket as well.
Common knowledge has been wrong again and again in this race and in American politics in general.
Okay, okay, the convention will probably have to give the nomination to Obama because he has the right number of delegates, but they may be well aware that this is a suicidal move. But they're stuck, huh?
Well, if news were to come out just a week before the convention that Obama has a problem (drugs, corruption, wife-beating, whatever) well, that would free up the whole convention to go with whomever is more likely to do well in November.
Hillary campaigns badly. But she does understand politics, and she does expect to win.
Why wouldn't they? The GOP has done it on more than one occasion...(Dole, '96 for example)
As long as Hussein confuses the 57 U.S. states with the 57 member States of The Organization of Islamic Conference, then I think the she-devil still has a chance.
I’m still wondering who gets the blame if Hillary wins the white house. Those of us who won’t be intimidated into voting for McCain or those who actually voted for Hillary in an attempt to intimidate us into voting for McCain?
I miss the days when it was just the politicians who were unethical.
“I half suspect that Hillary has something to pull out just before the convention.”
Yeah, Obama Arkanicide
what we as conservatives need to do is raise the price of winning the nomination for ANY democrat.
It has to be SO close that it will be IMPOSSIBLE to NOT have a back door deal convention.
This is NOT about helping McCain. McCain is irrelevant. This is about helping the down ticket candidates. To piss off democrats so they do not show or outright vote for republicans to punish their demcrat leadership.
Dole had a chance to win, but Obama can only get slaughtered.
The only other option is to kill her now, politically, but they have to make sure she is really dead, (can't possibly run in 2012). Otherwise she will destroy Obama's chances to keep 2012 open. They have more than enough dirt on her to do that now, and some of it is starting to trickle out.
What you fail to realize, is that in Obama you already had what you want.
The primary never had to be prolonged to have an unelectable Obama.
....I love this:
“LIASSON: Look, there are some Democrats who feel that she can’t get the nomination and he can’t win the general election. There is a bit of a dilemma.”
I am torn here. I think Obama is the easier candidate to defeat.
But since McCain is a bad candidate, and a Dem may actually end up in the WH, I would be more comfortable with Hillary.
Never thought I would say that. I think that the left has really pissed her off, similar to what happened to Lieberman. Maybe she has learned something.
I believe that both she and Obama would be terrible for the country, but Obama is much worse. So I hope she is the nominee.
I will probably regret it later.
Obama has zero chance of even coming close in the general.
Your hoping for something that would prevent a certain GOP landslide.
We have to apply the Connan the Barbarian principle of political victory.
It has to be a victory with an eye towards the obliteration of the Democrat Party. THEY are the ones that need to fracture into Green, Reform, Libertarian, and every other victimology interest group.
they have to knash their teeth, and have their women crying in lamentations.
WE don't like Obama - but that goes without saying. We're (mostly) conservative here. We don't like McCain, much less Hillary! and Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama.
But the sheeple? How many are going to fall for “any vote against Obama is ‘racist.’” How many are just plain disgusted and believe Obama’s “Change and Hope” tripe? How many will ignore his questionable (or outright criminal) circle of “friends” and “advisors?”
I'm not betting against the Democrats, especially after President Bush, and with Juan McQueeg for the ‘Pubby candidatte.
So the takeaway here is that -- among Democrats -- Hillary is more popular than Obama. She has huge negatives -- millions of people "would never vote for Hillary". And yet she's capturing the popular vote more successfully than Obama. Think about that.
Hillary won NY, MA, MI, FL, CA, OH, and PA. Those states are important when it comes to the electoral college. Obama's popularity in those states was not stellar. Think about who votes for Obama and what states they live in.
He's not going to win in November.
And you are right not to. I know most here feel differently but -- especially because of the reasons you cite -- either Hillary or Obama will beat McCain like a drum in the general. The only question in my mind is which one it'll be, and that is almost answered.
If Obama is the nominee, McCain will be the next nominee in a landslide no matter what.
If Obama is the nominee, McCain will be the next PRESIDENT in a landslide no matter what.
If one eliminated the cross-over votes this election cycle, Hillary would be home baking cookies and John McCain would be busy concocting liberal legislation with his Democrat cronies in the Senate.
As it is, they are both still running for President. God, how I miss John Adams!
It's impossible for Obama to win the general, let alone beat McCain like a drum.
How could anyone with Rev. Wright, Ayers, most liberal in Senate, cling to religion and guns, USA-hating wife, etc. ever come close to winning?
Good, I like your certainty and optimism. I’ll stick with you.
The primary never had to be prolonged to have an unelectable Obama.”
I disagree. The longer this goes on the more the Hillary backers know they Obama will blow their election chances and they wont be happy in Nov.
The Obama “fainters” will be outraged at Hillary for bloodying up Obama for the general election.
The end result is the RAT party is split in half and both sides will hate the others guts after the convention.
There is just about zero chance that the RATS wont give Obama the nomination, but a huge convention battle wouldn't give the RATS enough time to heal the gaping wounds in the RAT party.
At this point I’ve got a better chance of winning the Democratic party nomination than she does.
Ask John Kerry. Switch just over 1 percent of the Ohio vote into Kerry's total and he's running for re-election this year. And his negatives were as high as Obama's in many ways.
Firstly, nothing has stuck to Obama yet, so it's not "impossible." Secondly, Bush's non-performance as a "conservative," and the party's nomination of a RINO have made everything possible.
I could be wrong but, IMHO, the GOP has nominated one of its weakest candidates ever.
Chris Matthews has been trumpeting lately that all the Dems have to do is campaign against a "third Bush term" with McCain to win in November. There's more to it, of course. But, barring a major gaffe or dirt with Obama and that should go a long way toward a major victory for the Democrats. That's how unpopular this administration is.
It will be "old" vs "new." It'll be the price of gas. It'll be "insider" vs "outsider." It'll be the still unpopular war in Iraq.
Again, JMHO.
Rev. Wright dwarfs any baggage Kerry had.
If that were true, McCain would be campaigning right now against Hillary instead of Obama.
I never have understood how people say how “electable” Hillary Clinton would be in the general election.
Her already high negatives have gotten even higher, even among Democrats, in this campaign. I understand that her ego and Bill’s ego think she is so overwhelmingly qualified to be president that she deserves it, yadda yadda yadda. But the electoral college math is difficult for either Democrat. If a Democrat wins the general election, it will be a close election.
And as for the white working class vote that Hillary will get big numbers from in West Virginia today, and has gotten elsewhere : a lot of those people have been voting Republican in general elections in recent years. So she can’t count on winning the general election in some of these states just because she won the primary there.
“My money is still on Hillary.”
Well wave your money goodbye. The Obamination is down to only needing 160 delegates to wrap it up. After next week and Kentucky, Shrillary is done. She has no money, no bribe capability and no strategy.
By June 3, enough delegates will be officially committed to Obama that he will only need a handful. Previously estimated it would be 50-100 but in all likelihood it will be no more than 50 or so of the remaining SPDs (Super Politician Delegates.)
All they are waiting for is the official announcement that all the voters have voted. Then a lot of them will declare.
Say Goodnite to your Shrillary money. She’ll need to either kill him or set him up in a child molestation sting. Obama is going to forswear off boys and girls for now.
As it should be because the woman is a political vampire. She can not be "destroyed".
With Hillary *ahem* calling the shots you never know when “natural causes” may strike.
... only because the Clinton’s ethics are so debased. Otherwise she would be “so over” ...
That's why they're making a big push for a delegate compromise in Michigan, something like 69-59 Clinton. If they get that agreement, then they can count all the votes for Clinton in the popular total, too, because Michigan now counts. I'm sure that many people who voted "Uncommitted" would have gone for Obama if he were on the ballot.
Clinton should probably offer a 50-50 split on Michigan delegates to make the offer more attractive to Obama, because once they legitimize the Michigan vote, then Clinton can claim all the popular vote, too.
-PJ
You assume of course that Obama would even agree to the split since he has nothing to gain and everything to lose in such an agreement...
He did abide by the Dem party rules concerning Florida and Michigan and didn’t even campaign in those states...Dean is gonna have to eat some crow on this one!
The primary never had to be prolonged to have an unelectable Obama...
...now, if you could just explain that to the political wizard el rushbo...
He’s not going to win in November...
...and where’s the Dow going to be six months from now...
How could anyone with Rev. Wright, Ayers, most liberal in Senate, cling to religion and guns, USA-hating wife, etc. ever come close to winning?...
...by being someone at a far remove from GW Bush, that’s how...Bush took down the GOP in the 2006 elections and will do so again in 2008...else why would McCain be bending over backwards trying to separate himself from Dubya?
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