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Winning: Bad Boys Make Better Soldiers
Strategy Page ^ | May 12, 2008 | Jim Dunnigan

Posted on 05/12/2008 2:31:21 PM PDT by billorites

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1 posted on 05/12/2008 2:31:21 PM PDT by billorites
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My Father’s best friend in WWII was a soldier who had been let out of Federal prison to join the army. He was a moonshiner. He was the oldest soldier in the company and Daddy said he was probably the best engineer tho he couldn’t read or write.


2 posted on 05/12/2008 2:35:11 PM PDT by yarddog
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Great, I was refused back in the late 70’s because of my record....I woulda been great!!


3 posted on 05/12/2008 2:36:18 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (The good guys must breed and continue to do so, or it is all for naught- A Smart Man)
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4 posted on 05/12/2008 2:36:54 PM PDT by JRios1968 ("If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"--Ronald Reagan)
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5 posted on 05/12/2008 2:38:09 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: billorites

I stole a car when I was 16 and I got a waiver from the Army to join, and a pardon from the governor for completing my service. If it wasnt for getting injured in Iraq I would have probably gone on to retire from the service with a full 20 instead I got 14 with a medical retirement and va disability. Not all criminals are bad, I would say those who are young like I was are the perfect candidates because they are the most readilly able to be molded.


6 posted on 05/12/2008 2:51:55 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

George Orwell


7 posted on 05/12/2008 2:57:03 PM PDT by glorgau
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One of Murphy’s laws:

An inspection ready unit will not pass combat
A combat ready unit will not pass inspection

I’ll take a combat ready unit over an inspection unit any day.


8 posted on 05/12/2008 3:01:06 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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Talking back to authority. Getting into scrapes that were none of my business, when I had a perfectly good opportunity to walk away. Going around the end of the fence rather than scaling it, and dodging the following lights.

Seems like I was a worse SOB than I remember. So how come I never got higher than E-3 in four years two months and twenty-four days of active duty?

Nothing was ever proved at the court-martial....


9 posted on 05/12/2008 3:03:16 PM PDT by alloysteel (Is John McCain headed into the Perfect Storm? You bet he is.)
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Bill Mauldin talked about that in his book Up Front.

A lot of units had two sets of noncoms - one for combat, and one for town.

10 posted on 05/12/2008 3:03:26 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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I totally agree with this. It has a rehabilition aspect as well.

I had a “background” prior to joining the Navy. I think being a little rough around the edges helped me.


11 posted on 05/12/2008 3:07:03 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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“Nice guys finish last”. Even in the military. Sheesh.


12 posted on 05/12/2008 3:08:58 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" White Guy)
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Both good guys and bad guys can make great soldiers. Robert E. Lee was the very image of propriety yet Gen. Scott said we would not have won the Mexican War if not for Lieutenant R. E. Lee.


13 posted on 05/12/2008 3:16:24 PM PDT by yarddog
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So how come I never got higher than E-3 in four years two months and twenty-four days of active duty?

Hell, I made E-3 six times during my career. You didn't miss all that much .. ! ">)

14 posted on 05/12/2008 3:23:05 PM PDT by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrNCO)Military)
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To: billorites

This is one of those things that a PHD candidate could write a thesis about. It’d be interesting to know if it is really true.


15 posted on 05/12/2008 3:23:11 PM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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Football coaches look for these qualifications when recruiting linebackers - ‘’ 6’2’’. 220 lbs, preferably with at least one arrest for assault and battery’’


16 posted on 05/12/2008 3:26:28 PM PDT by Lexington Green (Smoking pot causes Global Warming)
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Ping to Rep. Paul Broun.


17 posted on 05/12/2008 3:28:44 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Holy State or Holy King - Or Holy People's Will - Have no truck with the senseless thing)
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God bless you for your service, man....thanks.


18 posted on 05/12/2008 3:34:18 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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“Winning: Bad Boys Make Better Soldiers”

One case in point...
IIRC, Major John Howard was on a panel during a D-Day Plus 50 Years
symposium at U. of New Orleans (along with Stephen Ambrose).

Howard noted that it seemed to be that the men who were discipline cases
during training were the ones that really carried the day in battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard_%28British_army_officer%29


19 posted on 05/12/2008 3:53:23 PM PDT by VOA
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General Lee was called "Old Granny", if I recall correctly.

/johnny

20 posted on 05/12/2008 3:57:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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