McCain and La Raza/The Race: A “serious lapse of judgment”

Michelle Malkin.com ^ | 05/11/2008 | Michelle Malkin

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

The open-borders media has been AWOL on John McCain’s decision to speak to the radical racialist group, La Raza/The Race in July. He has been allowed to skate on the issue in several recent sit-down interviews. Many of the same pundits who blasted Barack Obama for his ties to the radical racialist Jeremiah Wright have nothing to say about McCain’s longtime association with the shamnesty-pushing, sovereignty-undermining, publicly-subsidized shakedown artists of La Raza/The Race.

Not everyone’s looking the other way. Editorial page editor Colin McNickle at the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review warned today:

“McCain had made significant progress in reaching out to conservatives over the last month or so. But his La Raza embrace is a serious lapse of judgment, one of a number of lapses that, if the primaries are a valid indicator, could lead to a full quarter of the Republican electorate staying home on Nov. 4.”

Guess McCain’s counting on all his left-wing global warming fear-mongering friends to make up the difference.

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Related from The Other McCain: Mr. Reformer’s Glass House.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Ping!

[chasio649]

Rules?

;)

[Thunder90]

La Raza will end up voting for Barry anyway.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Hispandering PING! ;)

[MrEdd]

My Position from the start has been:
If we need people we can process in new citizens who have never committed any crime including entering illegally.

And who are drawn from every country in the world
From Iceland To South Africa, From Norway to South Korea
Every corner of the globe, not giving ANY preference to the few nations to our immediate south.

My Position Has Not Changed.

I am a conservative not a Republican. I will vote for Republicans IF they are conservative. If Bush's opponent had not been Hanoi John Kerry, I would not have voted in the last election.

Islam's war against the west will inevitably bring the US a nuclear strike. The persistent open borders are a hot potato that will utterly destroy the party in power when it happens. I prefer that the borders be closed - but barring that, let it be the liberals who are destroyed if we're not going to move to prevent it.

This is as obvious and foreseeable as the earlier attacks on September eleventh. Aside from the loss we all will have of family and friends WHEN not if this happens, I recognize that the party who emerges in power will be able to radically reshape government the United States. Many on the left foresee this as well, and are actively working to keep our defenses weak.

I therefore am willing to sacrifice important pieces to win the game. Winning the white house or congress are less important than closing the borders. A candidate who could win an office, at the cost of placing someone in office that the left could justifiably claim failed to aggressively defend America costs conservatism control of the board.

By the same token I will not move to save a socially liberal republican candidate merely to defeat the democrat. Sometimes control of the board is more important than saving every pawn.

If I get a liberal in office who votes liberal while claiming (unchallenged) to represent the party with a conservative platform, then my voice is even more unheard than if a liberal democrat is in office. It means that conservatives will vote for anyone who claims conservatism, even if they are to the left of Hillary Clinton. It also means that the Republican party did this eyes wide open, believing that I (and other conservatives) would vote for a yellow dog if it was a republican. Sorry RNC that only works with democrats.

Semper Fidelis

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

;)

[Dr.Zoidberg]

A “serious lapse of judgment”

No, not a lapse.

Just as indication at those whom Mcloon chooses as allies.

[kaehurowing]

I will never vote for McCain. The GOP better get its act together and pick another candidate or they will find there is no one left in their party.

[MovementConservative]

If they do stay home, then some good GOP house members(and there are a few) will be ousted. Oh well. I guess the US is going to become just like Massachusettes and New Jersey. Wonderful.

[chasio649]

She is so pretty....my wife is a filipina and everytime Michelle is on Fox...she screams at me in my computer room that “Our girl is on Fox”

;)

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

If they do stay home, then some good GOP house members(and there are a few) will be ousted.

While I don't advocate staying home, myself -- I'll be voting for genuine conservatives down ticket, and either voting third party at the top or else leaving it blank altogether -- that's the inevitable risk the Republican party takes in running a RINO who, like a parrot suffering from Tourette Syndrome, reflexively and incessantly disses both said party's base and their conservative positions on the issues.

McCain can either meet the base at least halfway, on the specific issues on which they most profoundly disagree with him... or else accept the logical consequences of not doing so, like a mature, rational adult.

[no dems]

Maybe he thinks there are more Mexicans than there are Conservatives who are out there voting.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Indeed. Agreed.

Mrs. Malkin is an attractive American of Asian background.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Maybe he thinks there are more Mexicans than there are Conservatives who are out there voting.

Nationwide opinion polls routinely place the number of Americans who regard illegal immigration and/or porous borders between the U.S. and Mexico as a serious problem at a level between 80% and 89%, depending.

McCain has been, and remains, an imbecile. ;)

[The_Republican]

This remind me of “Untouchables” in Indian Society. Higher castes are not supposed to come in contact with the lowly castes or they go to hell or something.

The Politics of “Untouchables” is the new thing in Conservative world.

Can’t shake hands with so and so, otherwise the germs are transfered and somehow your own convictions are vaporized.

What foolishness!

FDR sat with Stalin who was one of the WORST monsters who ever lived and killed more people than Hitler. Don’t think Stalin’s germs caused FDR to become an absolute tyrant.

Nixon went to China and that moved paved the way to taking down the Iron Curtain. The nexus between Soviets and China was broken after that.

Throught history, bitter enemies have sat across the table and had discussion.

However, now some psychopath losers are spreading an insane Philosophy that having discussions with people you disagree with or even your enemies makes you evil.

Now the same psychotic thought process is being extended to domestic policy.

Most all Democrats are Al Raza supporters if not members. By this same psychotic logic that meeting Al Raza is a great sin, then coming in contact with Al Raza supporters, the Demcorats must also be an equally horrible sin. How far can this foolishness extend?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

"Strongly objecting to giving racist hate groups validation by meeting with them," in your eyes = "psychopath losers." [sic]

Fascinating.

And very, very revealing.

[The_Republican]

Validation? FDR validated Communism? Nixon Validated China? Reagan Validated USSR? You can meet people you disagree with and find common ground where you can. If Al Raza (which I don’t know much about other than absolute hatred and visceral reaction from some here) can make a difference of 5-10% of votes, then why not meet them. You don’t have to give them what they want. Simply create an impression that you reached out.

Try and figure the out Demographics of Americans today. Over 15% are Hispanic and Blacks are about the same percentage. Asians and other are about 4-5%.

You CAN NOT restrict yourself to 66% of the people, and expect to survive, especially since the ratio is going in other direction fast.

This is Democracy. They count number of votes at the end of the day. They don’t value one vote more than the other, because it is from someone with much purer and noble beliefs. Someone who refused to shake hands with Al Raza gets their vote counted ten times. Then it would be an intelligent strategy. However, since that is not case, then wherever you can find votes, you have to reach out. That doesn’t mean you give everything they want. Reaching out is not same as agreeing to everything.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Al Raza (which I don’t know much about

Then you're simply, by your own admission, posting from a position of ignorance, and need to remedy that before we may profitably continue. Michelle Malkin's site is an excellent starting point, re: this topic. Begin there.

Try and figure the out Demographics of Americans today.

See post #15, above.

[AnimalLover]

Most all Democrats are Al Raza supporters if not members.

May I ask where you got this information. I know and am related to many Democrats and I assure you this is not the case

[calcowgirl]

The Politics of “Untouchables” is the new thing in Conservative world. Can’t shake hands with so and so, otherwise the germs are transfered and somehow your own convictions are vaporized. What foolishness! FDR sat with Stalin

So, when La Raza was promoting protests for amnesty and backing the communist groups marching in the streets claiming they were taking back their country, and McCain praised their efforts, you think this was a good thing?

If you fail to see the difference of pandering to groups that are destructive to the country during a Presidential campaign and practicing diplomacy as a sitting president, I don't know what to say.

[The_Republican]

So they believe Hispanic equivalent of “Black Liberation Theology”. Most of those 10 reasons are what MOST if not ALL Democrats stand for. Are they RACIST and HATEFUL GROUP that no Republican should ever come in contact with? Perhaps they are but you still have to engage them.

Even if they have this idea of building Hispanic oriented State, they are Citizens and Vote here.

You can’t change their mind or help them mellow their stance by categorizing them as RACIST or TERROR group. What purpose would that serve, other than converting Hispanics into a Monolith Block like Blacks?

Just remember, President Bush would NOT have been elected if not for nearly 40% of Hispanics who came out and voted for him.

NO REPUBLICAN WOULD EVER BE ELECTED IF HISPANICS TURN INTO A MONOLITHIC BLOCKS LIKE AFRICAN AMERICANS.

You reach out, because they are part of this Country no matter how pathetic their idealogy. We engaged with USSR and China and it helped and it worked. We engage everyone, and try to change them or educated them but just hating them or ignoring them is not good for short term and definitely disastrous for long term.

[TheThinker]

In the case of Stalin, we needed that bloodthirsty, weaker tyrant to defeat Hitler. Stalin only became so powerful after WWII.

Churchill almost met Hitler before he came to power. Churchill, as many may not know, had a soft spot for Jews. When an intermediary asked Churchill whether he wanted to meet Hitler, he had a request.

Churchill told the man to ask Hitler this question: What is the sense of being against a man simply because of his birth? How can any man help how he is born? If Churchill wanted to meet Hitler, he wouldn't have asked this question.

Needless to say, my opinion on the matter of meeting with these racist thugs is probably more aligned with Churchill. Their goals are based on racism and power. LaRaza will only want concessions.

McCain will trade our some of our safety for their support. There's no need to give them credibility. There's no need to worry so many Americans who are the target of LaRaza's hatred.

[The_Republican]

Elected Officials.....were you sleeping through Hillary and Obama debate in Texas? They agreed with Al Raza platform almost verbatim. Ohter than Aztalan or whatever, they promised to do exactly what that 10 point memo says.

So yeah, if Democrat leaders on National TV agree with the Al Raza agenda, word by word, I am correct to say Democrats agree with them.

[TigersEye]

La Raza = Hispanic KKK

[The_Republican]

I can understand why you would confuse different set of facts on purpose, because obviously the facts are not your freinds.

Did McCain, in your words, “praise” their Communist Endeavors. McCain? Are you out of your mind? I doubt their is a person alive in America who has lower opinion of Communists than McCain.

Their are lots of people besides Al Raza who are attracted to loser Philosophies.

That is not the point.

Point is that they must have enough influence to affect the results of Elections. If McCain is reaching out to them, its for same reason he is reaching out to Blacks, knowing full well that he would lose their vote by 95% or worse. You reach out so they don’t hate you. You reach out so they at least respect your effort. You reach out because some who are not as radical as them, appreciate your effort.

Again, reaching out is not same as approving everything they want.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Most of those 10 reasons are what MOST if not ALL Democrats stand for.

Once again: demonstrably untrue. See post #15. Unless Democrats make up a mere 20% (or less of the entire American electorate -- and, presumably, you're not so far gone, at this point, to add an assertion as cockeyed as that to what is already a rapidly growing list of same -- your statement is ridiculous, on its very face.

[dayglored]

>> Most all Democrats are Al Raza supporters if not members.

> May I ask where you got this information.

Ummm, he pulled it out of his ass maybe?

> I know and am related to many Democrats and I assure you this is not the case

Correct, it's utter crap. I live near Ithaca NY, where not only are 95% of the residents liberal Democrats, but their dogs are too. I know a lot of them (the residents, not the dogs), as co-workers, friends, and (sigh) family.

Very few of them sympathize in any respect at all with La Raza, and I know of none that are members or would consider being.

If there's any truth to his claim, it's within a very circumscribed area with a high LaRaza contingent, and they happen to vote Democrat. But saying that because most violent criminals breathe air, therefore most air-breathers are violent criminals, is obviously bogus.

[TheThinker]

NO REPUBLICAN WOULD EVER BE ELECTED IF HISPANICS TURN INTO A MONOLITHIC BLOCKS LIKE AFRICAN AMERICANS.

I agree. But you can't align yourself with the worst of the group you're targeting.

The last thing LaRaza needs is encouragement and credibility. Meeting with LaRaza signals to them that the country is ready for a coup.

You are right that Republicans should reach out but McCain is just so pigheaded and wrongheaded.

He could have helped make Comprehensive Immigration Reform a reality but he dug his heels in and refused to compromise.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

They agreed with Al Raza platform almost verbatim.

Anyone who routinely cannot even spell the group's name correctly has scant standing (if any) to lecture others on what they do, or do not stand for; or what sort of support they do, or do not, genuinely enjoy.

You've already publicly described them as "Al Raza (which I don’t know much about)." As theb rest of us hereabouts, plainly, demonstrably DO know more about the topic than you do: read, and learn.

[The_Republican]

I explained why I know Democrats agree with Al Raza. Anyone with IQ over 75 who watched the Hillary Obama debate in Texas would know that. You obviously have trouble understanding simple concepts.

[The_Republican]

What are you talkihg about? When I said Democrats, I meant their leaders, Elected Officials.

I know the BITTER BLOC in Dem Party that Obama is having so much trouble with, is obviously hateful of immigrants and have strong anti-free-trade and anti-immigration views.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I explained why I know Democrats agree with Al Raza. Anyone with IQ over 75 who watched the Hillary Obama debate in Texas would know that. You obviously have trouble understanding simple concepts.

See post #15. Whatever you "know" (or, rather, absurdly believe you know about a group you've already described as being one "which I don't know much about") is in error; and simply spewing ad hominem insults at FReepers who've conclusively proved that won't remedy the situation. You're simply humiliating yourself publicly, at this juncture.

Incidentally: how many IQ points does it take to spell "La Raza" correctly?

[The_Republican]

Look, He is reaching out to Parsely, Hagee, Al Raza, whoever. I assure you, 95% if not higher percentage of Americans have never ever heard of Al Raza.

We have had Black Panthers, and KKK, and Nazi Party and even Communist Party here. All these haters lose.

Al Raza, they obviously have not crossed certain line where McCain felt comfortable meeting them. He would obviously not meet one of BP, KKK, NP and CP. I am saying I TRUST HIS JUDGEMENT. He is not going to meet them if they qualifed as one of those kind of hate groups. Some hyper conservatives may have extrapolated their views and categorized them as pure evil, and they might be right. However, the fact McCain met them, tells me that they are NOT pariah like one of those other groups.

[The_Republican]

I didn’t know much about them, but you were KIND enough to provide a link. Now I have some idea. My attack was intended at people like Michelle Malkin and Sean Hannity, who make money by abusing the emotions of people like Freepers. They know how to rile that group. They know how to turn that frustation in dollars. They are the ones who promulgate this insane idea that meetint with bad characters or your enemies somehow makes you one of them or “validates” them. That is complete nonsense and most intelligent people would laugh at that notion.

[dayglored]

> I explained why I know Democrats agree with Al Raza. Anyone with IQ over 75 who watched the Hillary Obama debate in Texas would know that.

You're welcome to your beliefs, it's still a free country.

> You obviously have trouble understanding simple concepts.

On the contrary, I just don't go along with your silly supposition and incorrect inference.

You obviously have trouble understanding that personal attacks are unwelcome on FR. I observed that you had no factual basis for your claim ("pulled it out of his ass"). That attacks the validity of your claim, but not you personally. You on the other hand attacked me, not my comment. Cool it.

And BTW, learn to spell. It's La, not Al. The implication that LaRaza is an Arabic organization is dumb, not clever.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

What are you talkihg about? When I said Democrats, I meant their leaders, Elected Officials.

Ummmmmmm... what are You blathering about, for pity's sake? What you actually stated -- your increasingly frenzied and desperate attempts at backpedaling notwithstanding -- was: "what MOST if not ALL Democrats stand for."

You not only intentionally opted for the words "most" and "all': you even CAPITALIZED them, for emphasis.

Seriously: are you high...?!? ROTFLMAO!!!!!

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I didn’t know much about them, but you were KIND enough to provide a link. Now I have some idea.

No, you plainly "have" no such thing. Read more; spew less.

My attack was intended at people like Michelle Malkin and Sean Hannity, who make money by abusing the emotions of people like Freepers.

... and, once again: your true ideological "slip" is beginning to show. Pathetic.

[The_Republican]

No back pedalling. You are not capable of causing me to back pedal. I did make a mistake however. I assumed you were capable of knowing that when I said Democrate agree with Al Raza, I meant the Democrats who are actually in Power.....like Obama and Hillary.

I told you that they support all non-Aztalan points on the Michelle Malkin list. NOt only they support those points, they are proud of it and do so on National TV and their is no public outrage.

Obviously, any semi-intelligent person knows that “working class democrats” hate free trade and immigration. I wasn’t thinking about those sukcers. However, if that trivial point gives you some pathetic joy, then be my guest.

[The_Republican]

I din’t know that agreeing with insanity such as idiots like Malkin are promoting makes you less Conservative. LOL!

[endthematrix]

Is this Barack, Hillary or John?

[The_Republican]

La Bite Me.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

No back pedalling. You are not capable of causing me to back pedal.

"Backpedal."

I assumed you were capable of knowing that when I said Democrate agree with Al Raza, I meant the Democrats who are actually in Power.....like Obama and Hillary.

"I assumed that when I intentionally (and inaccurately) used the capitalized words 'MOST' and'ALL,' you'd naturally translate those as really meaning 'Obama' and 'Hillary.'" ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Maximum Fail, kiddo.

Thanks for playing, though!

[dayglored]

> Seriously: are you high...?!?

Probably not. I suspect he's just another "Republican-First, and Conservative only if it happens to match the Party line" shill, whose main purpose is to be a McCain apologist so that we all feel compelled to swallow the Party line.

Most of these folks are boring and predictable. I must say that this one is not as dull as most, and I do owe a certain amount of respect for the fact that he's been on FR for a decade, considerably longer than me.

Nevertheless... he just said:

> La Bite Me.

Hmmm. I think not. I'm still full from dinner, thanks.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I din’t know that agreeing with insanity such as idiots like Malkin are promoting makes you less Conservative. LOL!

Shhhhhh. Shhhhhhh, now.

You've still got a little bit on your lip, right there.

[The_Republican]

Thanks for sharing your pic! Maybe someday you would recover from the shock of McCain meeting hateful evil terror group. LOL.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I suspect he's just another "Republican-First, and Conservative only if it happens to match the Party line" shill, whose main purpose is to be a McCain apologist so that we all feel compelled to swallow the Party line.

They certainly do have their sad little... ahhhhhh... "issues," don't they...? ;)

[The_Republican]

If Malkin is so brilliant and so right on all the issues, why doesn’t she run for office? Any office? Lets find out if people like her are capable of cracking 15%. Calling people radical and extermists everyday is easy, untill you crawl out of the dungeon and actually face the people. She would very quickly find out that the people think she is the one who is angry, hateful and extemist.

Nah, I don’t think Hannity or O’Reilly or Malkin or rest of that crowd would ever bother to actually want to run for office. Its a truth they don’t want to find out.

Its much easier to exploit frustated people and make a quick buck.

[dayglored]

"McCain Doubleplus Good", now that's funny.

Almost as funny as "McCain is a True Conservative".

[endthematrix]

"They {Michelle Malkin and Sean Hannity} know how to turn that frustration in dollars."

If it's MY justified frustration and THEIR dollars, what's the problem?