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Israel's Barak admits 'serious' concern over Lebanon crisis
afp ^ | 5/11/08 | afp

Posted on 05/11/2008 7:47:37 PM PDT by Flavius

JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak on Sunday called the situation in Lebanon "a serious development" following a series of deadly clashes between government forces and Hezbollah militants, backed by Israel's arch-foe Iran.

"Hezbollah's taking of control (in west Beirut) is a serious development," Barak said during the weekly cabinet meeting, public radio reported.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barak; hezbollah; israel; lebanon; middleeast

1 posted on 05/11/2008 7:47:37 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: jeffers; Dog; Cap Huff; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; maquiladora; GSR-TX; Aragon

ping


2 posted on 05/11/2008 7:50:03 PM PDT by jhpigott
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To: Flavius
"Hezbollah's taking of control (in west Beirut) is a serious development," Barak said during the weekly cabinet meeting, public radio reported.

Yeah, and when Barak's in office, he's going to give them a serious talking to. He may even put out his cigarette on their carpet like he did in college to show his disdain for the system.

Good grief. Annie Hall has more business being president than this guy. At least she'd say, "Well la de dah."

3 posted on 05/11/2008 7:50:39 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball
And who put Hezbollah on Israel's border and betrayed the pro-Israel South Lebanon Army? Ehud Barak, that's who!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 05/11/2008 7:59:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jhpigott

Israel’s Barak admits ‘serious’ concern over Lebanon crisis
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ME TOO!...


5 posted on 05/11/2008 8:23:32 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

A Couple of My Favorite Bars were on the Brink of Closing due to drop in Business.. Imagine since they are smack in the Middle of Hamra what Happened?


6 posted on 05/11/2008 8:59:55 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (From Kuwait where the Weather is always Partly Sandy!)
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To: philly-d-kidder

Seems to me a SHTF moment is comin’,,,

A good time to go hide...:0/


7 posted on 05/11/2008 9:13:29 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Yeah it is Sad that the Harriri Bunch are Busy Building the Country and hezbolla is on a Mission to destroy it..


8 posted on 05/11/2008 9:19:08 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (From Kuwait where the Weather is always Partly Sandy!)
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To: jhpigott

Much of my concern lies in understanding how many *terrorists* crossed over from Syria into Lebanon. We can call them *terrorists* but it’s clear that Assad wants complete control of Lebanon.

Hezb was supposed to have backed down, but fighting continued today. I suspect fighting will stop shortly because the warring actions will be focused on Israel at some point soon.

I guess we’ll find out fairly soon...


9 posted on 05/11/2008 9:27:04 PM PDT by GSR-TX
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To: Flavius

Translation: “Washington, we have a problem”


10 posted on 05/11/2008 9:32:12 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: philly-d-kidder

Yeah it is Sad that the Harriri Bunch are Busy Building the Country and hezbolla is on a Mission to destroy it..
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True Dat!,,,

They are now free to move even MORE stuff south of the

Latani River(rocket alley),,,


11 posted on 05/11/2008 9:47:34 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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Be Careful What You Wish For ... Mark Steyn
National Review Online ^ | 10 MAY 2008 | Mark Steyn

Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:43:57 AM by Rummyfan

Israel’s doom would be bad news for Europe.

Almost everywhere I went last week — TV, radio, speeches — I was asked about the 60th anniversary of the Israeli state. I don’t recall being asked about Israel quite so much on its 50th anniversary, which as a general rule is a much bigger deal than the 60th. But these days friends and enemies alike smell weakness at the heart of the Zionist Entity. Assuming President Ahmadinejad’s apocalyptic fancies don’t come to pass, Israel will surely make it to its 70th birthday. But a lot of folks don’t fancy its prospects for its 80th and beyond. See the Atlantic Monthly cover story: “Is Israel Finished?” Also the cover story in Canada’s leading news magazine, Maclean’s, which dispenses with the question mark: “Why Israel Can’t Survive.”

Why? By most measures, the Jewish state is a great success story. The modern Middle East is the misbegotten progeny of the British and French colonial map-makers of 1922. All the nation states in that neck of the woods date back a mere 60 or 70 years — Iraq to the Thirties, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Israel to the Forties. The only difference is that Israel has made a go of it. Would I rather there were more countries like Israel, or more like Syria? I don’t find that a hard question to answer. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East (Iraq may yet prove a second) and its Arab citizens enjoy more rights than they would living under any of the kleptocrat kings and psychotic dictators who otherwise infest the region. On a tiny strip of land narrower at its narrowest point than many American townships, Israel has built a modern economy with a GDP per capita just shy of $30,000 — and within striking distance of the European Union average. If you object that that’s because it’s uniquely blessed by Uncle Sam, well, for the past 30 years the second largest recipient of U.S. aid has been Egypt: Their GDP per capita is $5,000, and America has nothing to show for its investment other than one-time pilot Mohammed Atta coming at you through the office window.

Jewish success against the odds is nothing new. “Aaron Lazarus the Jew,” wrote Anthony Hope in his all but unknown prequel to The Prisoner Of Zenda, “had made a great business of it, and had spent his savings in buying up the better part of the street; but” — and for Jews there’s always a ‘but’ — “since Jews then might hold no property…”

Ah, right. Like the Jewish merchants in old Europe who were tolerated as leaseholders but could never be full property owners, the Israelis are regarded as operating a uniquely conditional sovereignty. Jimmy Carter, just returned from his squalid suck-up junket to Hamas, is merely the latest Western sophisticate to pronounce triumphantly that he has secured the usual (off-the-record, highly qualified, never to be translated into Arabic, and instantly denied) commitment from the Jews’ enemies acknowledging Israel’s “right to exist.” Well, whoop-de-doo. Would you enter negotiations on such a basis?

Since Israel marked its half-century, the “right to exist” is now routinely denied not just in Gaza and Ramallah and the region’s presidential palaces but on every European and Canadian college campus. During the Lebanese incursion of 2006, Matthew Parris wrote in the Times of London: “The past 40 years have been a catastrophe, gradual and incremental, for world Jewry. Seldom in history have the name and reputation of a human grouping lost so vast a store of support and sympathy so fast. My opinion - held not passionately but with little personal doubt — is that there is no point in arguing about whether the state of Israel should have been established where and when it was” — which lets you know how he would argue it if minded to. Richard Cohen in The Washington Post was more straightforward: “Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now. Israel fights Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south, but its most formidable enemy is history itself.” Cohen and Parris, two famously moderate voices in the leading newspapers of two of the least anti-Israeli capital cities in the West, have nevertheless internalized the same logic as Ahmadinejad: Israel should not be where it is. Whether it’s a “stain of shame” or just a “mistake” is the merest detail.

Aaron Lazarus and every other “European Jew” of his time would have had a mirthless chuckle over Cohen’s designation. The Jews lived in Europe for centuries, but without ever being accepted as “European”: To enjoy their belated acceptance as Europeans, they had to move to the Middle East. Reviled on the Continent as sinister rootless cosmopolitans with no conventional national allegiance, they built a conventional nation state, and now they’re reviled for that, too. The “oldest hatred” didn’t get that way without an ability to adapt.

The Western intellectuals who promote “Israeli Apartheid Week” at this time each year are laying the groundwork for the next stage of Zionist delegitimization. The talk of a “two-state solution” will fade. In the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, Jews are barely a majority. Gaza has one of the highest birth rates on the planet: The median age is 15.8 years. Its population is not just literally exploding, at Israeli checkpoints, but also doing so in the less incendiary but demographically decisive sense.

Arabs will soon be demanding one democratic state — Jews and Muslims — from Jordan to the sea. And even those who understand that this will mean the death of Israel will find themselves so confounded by the multicultural pieties of their own lands they’ll be unable to argue against it. Contemporary Europeans are not exactly known for their moral courage: The reports one hears of schools quietly dropping the Holocaust from their classrooms because it offends their growing numbers of Muslim students suggest that even the pretense of “evenhandedness” in the Israeli-Palestinian “peace process” will be long gone a decade hence.

The joke, of course, is that Israel, despite its demographic challenge, still enjoys a birth rate twice that of the European average. All the reasons for Israel’s doom apply to Europe with bells on. And, unlike much of the rest of the west, Israel has the advantage of living on the front line of the existential challenge. “I have a premonition that will not leave me,” wrote Eric Hoffer, America’s great longshoreman philosopher, after the ’67 war. “As it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us.”

Indeed. So happy 60th birthday. And here’s to many more.


12 posted on 05/12/2008 4:51:44 AM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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13 posted on 05/12/2008 4:54:01 AM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Poor Hamra.. I am trying to see what shop was burned out...


14 posted on 05/12/2008 7:00:38 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (From Kuwait where the Weather is always Partly Sandy!)
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To: SJackson

The greatest blunder of the Bush administration has been the acceptance of of Hamas as a political party. My guess is that some guy in the state department —maybe Condi herself—told Bush that a Hamas loss in the election was a slam dunk. But Bush, at least, gave Israel carte blanc to take out Hezbollah in 2006. Israel’s failure probably made impossible the American suppression of violence in Iraq and cost the Republicans control of Congress.


15 posted on 05/13/2008 8:48:38 AM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: RobbyS

The acceptance of Hamas as a political party, and the acceptance of Hizbollah in Lebanon, al Sadr in Iraq. Heck, we even suggested Egypt give the Muslim Brotherhood a greater voice, Egypt had the good sense to ignore us. Israel should have cleared the south, but they couldn’t have destroyed Hizbollah, who simply would have toughed it out in the Bekka and South Beirut till Israel left and the UN came in. IMO GWB’s problems in Iraq weren’t caused by Israel, but by his delay in instituting the successful strategy we’ve employed post election. And there were plenty of issues other than Iraq that caused him problems.


16 posted on 05/13/2008 9:07:22 AM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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To: SJackson

Just reporting—second-hand—the view of some soldiers in Iraq. Surprised by the tactical blunderings of the Israeli Army as well as the poor management by the government.


17 posted on 05/13/2008 9:26:40 AM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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