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Connecticut Criminalizes Nooses As Threats
WFSB Channel 3 ^

Posted on 05/11/2008 6:23:06 PM PDT by Blue Turtle

Gov. M. Jodi Rell has signed into law Senate Bill 604, An Act Concerning Hate Crimes, which makes it a crime to display a noose as a way of harassing or threatening someone.

"Connecticut simply will not tolerate bigotry or racism," Rell said. "Let this bill send that message loud and clear. Using a noose -- a symbol of the racially motivated lynchings during the late 19th and first half of the 20th century -- to intimidate anyone because of their race or any other characteristic is a repugnant and cowardly act. No one should be subject to that kind of treatment.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: intimidation; noose; yourtaxesatwork
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1 posted on 05/11/2008 6:23:10 PM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: Blue Turtle

What if I don’t use it for intimidation but rather just tie it for practice and to use to tie around logs I drag behind my bike like when I was a kid ?

Is that crimminal ?


2 posted on 05/11/2008 6:25:55 PM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: festus

Will this hold up in court?


3 posted on 05/11/2008 6:27:02 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Blue Turtle

I suspect more nooses will begin to appear as a consequence of this asinine Bill.


4 posted on 05/11/2008 6:27:50 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Blue Turtle
Can we ban the Malcolm X hats - those are meant to be intimidating to whites...
5 posted on 05/11/2008 6:29:47 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

A kid in Jena, La. dispayed a noose while protesting a demonstation by Sharpton and Jackson and received one year in prison for it recently.


6 posted on 05/11/2008 6:30:14 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Blue Turtle
Gov. M. Jodi Rell

What does the "M" stand for? Marxist?

7 posted on 05/11/2008 6:30:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Blue Turtle
The article has all the words I need.

Connecticut is bigoted, racist, repugnant, and cowardly.

8 posted on 05/11/2008 6:31:00 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Blue Turtle

Nooses are bigotry or racism. More whites swung by the noose in this country than blacks ANYDAY. Think Nathan Hale. Think cattle rustlers.

What hogwash.


9 posted on 05/11/2008 6:32:48 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Nude dancing in North America)
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To: Blue Turtle

What’s next? A law banning pictures of Buckwheat.


10 posted on 05/11/2008 6:33:15 PM PDT by Rudder ("There is only one chief. Obey him." [Rush Limbaugh, April 30, 2008])
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To: Blue Turtle
It's not folks in Connecticut who need an anti-noose law.

This photo was taken at the elementary school run by Grambling State University, LA, during the controversy over the Jena Six. "Kindergarten and first-grade students at Alma J. Brown Elementary School were being taught why nooses are a symbol of racism."


11 posted on 05/11/2008 6:34:00 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Nice fungal infection on that kid’s scalp.


12 posted on 05/11/2008 6:35:43 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” - Voltaire


13 posted on 05/11/2008 6:35:43 PM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Blue Turtle

Politically correct fool. You people in CT had better learn how to display a noose NOT as a way of harassing or threatening someone.

YES WE CAN!!!


14 posted on 05/11/2008 6:35:53 PM PDT by Baladas (M)
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To: Rudder
What’s next? A law banning pictures of Buckwheat

""Tay what?"

Photobucket

15 posted on 05/11/2008 6:36:40 PM PDT by digger48 (http://prorev.com/legacy.htm)
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To: Blue Turtle

Is a noose as “art” OK?


16 posted on 05/11/2008 6:36:52 PM PDT by stevem
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To: festus

how about a knot. that could be construed as a threat.


17 posted on 05/11/2008 6:38:11 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I'm over it.)
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To: buccaneer81
"What does the "M" stand for? Marxist? "

Moron.

18 posted on 05/11/2008 6:38:35 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Blue Turtle

There are, I believe states that still have hanging as a means of the meting out the death sentence. Will that be considered racist?


19 posted on 05/11/2008 6:39:40 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead, then kill 'em again!)
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To: Blue Turtle

So “Hang ‘em High” with Clint Eastwood can’t be shown there anymore?


20 posted on 05/11/2008 6:40:36 PM PDT by HankArcher ("When freedom expands to mean freedom of instinct and social destruction, then freedom is dead")
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To: Blue Turtle

In “The Gulag Archipelago” Solzhenitsyn related the story of a peasant who was ordered to go to the next village and bring back a large bust of Stalin. When he got there he found that the bust was too unwieldy to carry, so he took off his belt, looped it around the neck of the bust, put it over his shoulder, and went on his way. He got twenty years for terrorism, if I remember correctly.


21 posted on 05/11/2008 6:40:44 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Who's worried about the Bolsheviks? They couldn't be worse than the Tsar!)
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To: Blue Turtle
The supposedly freest country in the world slavishly prostrates itself to thought crime laws.
22 posted on 05/11/2008 6:42:10 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Blue Turtle
political correctness run amok...........LOL
23 posted on 05/11/2008 6:44:03 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: BnBlFlag
A kid in Jena, La. dispayed a noose while protesting a demonstation by Sharpton and Jackson and received one year in prison for it recently.

In that context, I don't think you need a BS hate crimes statute to recognize that displaying a noose is really a way of threatening a lynching. If what you described really happened, that kid belongs in prison.

24 posted on 05/11/2008 6:44:56 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Blue Turtle

Seems like anytime a noose shows up it’s on someone’s door who is either being investigated or is a deranged attention starved person.


25 posted on 05/11/2008 6:47:53 PM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: MovementConservative

ok to burn the american flag though...


26 posted on 05/11/2008 6:50:32 PM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: Blue Turtle

this sort of PC crap is insanity


27 posted on 05/11/2008 6:51:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (FR's Mormon Haters are the new Immigration Thread harpies)
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To: Alter Kaker

By your logic Nazi symbols would have long ago been outlawed but they haven’t.

This is a gesture, it won’t hold up.


28 posted on 05/11/2008 6:54:40 PM PDT by wardaddy (FR's Mormon Haters are the new Immigration Thread harpies)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
Thank Clarence Thomas. SCOTUS already upheld laws banning cross-burning. Burning the American flag is still protected by the First Amendment though, even if the people desecrating our flag are foreign invaders waving foreign flags who promise violent conquest in our country to try to take back land they lost a long time ago.
29 posted on 05/11/2008 6:56:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Blue Turtle

Are nooses still illegal when carried by BLACKS???


30 posted on 05/11/2008 6:57:09 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Blue Turtle
What a do-nothing law.

FTA: which makes it a crime to display a noose as a way of harassing or threatening someone.

Threatening and harassing people is already illegal.

Baseball bat, noose, tire iron. Whatever.

Threaten anyone with or without anything and it is a threat. Harass anyone with or with out anything and it is harassment.

31 posted on 05/11/2008 6:57:39 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: Blue Turtle

Our CT legislators have nothing to do, they insist on staying in session and blathering on and on. Can’t wait for the next thing to pop into someone’s mind and demand it be a law. Good Heavens!
BTW didn’t the lady Professor that declared nooses were left everywhere around her found to be lying?


32 posted on 05/11/2008 6:58:23 PM PDT by mojo114
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To: mountainbunny
Threatening and harassing people is already illegal.

You make an excellent point.
33 posted on 05/11/2008 6:59:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Alter Kaker
If what you described really happened, that kid belongs in prison.

Displaying a noose = prison? I guess the First Amendment means nothing to you.

34 posted on 05/11/2008 7:01:16 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
Displaying a noose = prison? I guess the First Amendment means nothing to you.

Depends entirely on the context. If the noose is intended as an immediate threat, then absolutely you should go to prison... The same way the First Amendment protects speech, but not death threats.

35 posted on 05/11/2008 7:04:13 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: wardaddy
By your logic Nazi symbols would have long ago been outlawed but they haven’t.

Huh? The context is everything. I don't support outlawing nooses in general. However, if you're trying to make a death threat, then that is already illegal.

36 posted on 05/11/2008 7:05:31 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

a convoluted ruling that allowed the ban but only if intimidation is the aim

...i think...

Thomas dissented but not to protect cross lighting

and Ginsburg and Souter were against the ban I think....Anton for it....another black mark

in any event what bothered me was that the VA law was for on private property too.


37 posted on 05/11/2008 7:06:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (FR's Mormon Haters are the new Immigration Thread harpies)
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To: Blue Turtle
So if I went deer hunting, and hung a deer that I shot with a noose, it is a HATE CRIME? To who - the deer?

Should the LASSO be banned?? That would make cattle uset if cowboys use the LASSO on runaway cattle!!

Jeez, CT first you were trying to control where UConn football can play their games against Norte Dame, then you came up with this F**Ked UP law. Why didn't you do something about BUSINESS TAXES to lower them. Did that stupid delivery tax get passed?? That'll HELP businesses so much in Connecticut!

38 posted on 05/11/2008 7:07:53 PM PDT by EagleandLiberty (El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Does the law say each noose has to have the full 13 twists, or is a simple half-hitch too many?


39 posted on 05/11/2008 7:10:02 PM PDT by Justeggsactly
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To: Blue Turtle

Funny,when I think of a noose,Hangin’ Judge Roy Bean comes to mind.His “law” was so often arbitrary he was as much a lyncher as an executioner.
He strung up American,Indian and Mexican “outlaws” mostly.Perhaps he hanged a black cowboy or two,I don’t know.

But obviously political correctness declares the noose was used on blacks being lynched in the Old South only.

The ropes in the hands of the angry mobs facing Marshal Dillon in front of the Dodge City jail must have been looped into cats cradles or were attached to big western yo-yos because the prisoners they were after were almost always white.
Also,Nazis murdered with nooses,sometimes as many as a dozen at a time.

Well,at least the only politically correct historical victims of the unjust noose weren’t killed by gunfire or else the 2nd Amendment would be in REAL danger.


40 posted on 05/11/2008 7:10:24 PM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: Blue Turtle

Sporting gang tatoos still ok?


41 posted on 05/11/2008 7:12:12 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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To: Blue Turtle

This bill is really going to tie the courts up in knots.


42 posted on 05/11/2008 7:12:27 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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To: Alter Kaker

How do you determine it a death threat?

That’s pretty subjective.....a noose on a rear view mirror?

or a gang in the front yard with torches and a real noose?

what’s next....Confederate Battle Flag?

what about black symbols I find threatening?

braids?

baggy pants and pocket pool?

AK-47 t-shirts?

X hats?

It’s selective prosecution based on race and who’s the victim.

I have a problem with it and I’m tired of it. I’m tired of living in a culture where for me as a white middle aged man I have to fear black neighborhoods and black thug kulture and the perils of black government overtaking my locale and driving it in the ground.

and yet folks think some silly noose is the problem.

Have you ever examined black on white crime stats?

that’s the real problem in this country with regards to race...not symbols which are a deflection from the real problems folks are too cowardly to address.


43 posted on 05/11/2008 7:13:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (FR's Mormon Haters are the new Immigration Thread harpies)
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To: Blue Turtle
What are the penalties for displaying a noose in a fraudulent "hate crime?"

Or is noose-hanging something only whites can be punished for?

44 posted on 05/11/2008 7:13:52 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: wardaddy

I don’t think the Supreme Court will reverse this, but if a swastika is legal this should be too. (If they’re both displayed in the same fashion: no riot is likely to occur if they show it)


45 posted on 05/11/2008 7:14:06 PM PDT by old-and-old
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To: Blue Turtle
Cue the image of the conspirators on the gallows after Lincoln's assasination.

"Symbol of Racism and bigotry?"

Sheesh!

46 posted on 05/11/2008 7:14:27 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: wardaddy
...a deflection from the real problems folks are too cowardly to address.

Well stated.
47 posted on 05/11/2008 7:15:47 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: wardaddy
How do you determine it a death threat?

Police and the courts mkae just that kind of deterimination every day. Believe it or not, you tell the difference between a threat of physical violence ("I'm going to come over and shoot your horse!") and a joke ("I'm so hungry I could eat a horse!"). People have brains, something the law depends on.

48 posted on 05/11/2008 7:26:22 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Blue Turtle
...which makes it a crime to display a noose as a way of harassing or threatening someone. But you can still display a guillotine, a bloody Axe, or any other threatening or intimidating item to harass or threaten someone... I smell a loophole....
49 posted on 05/11/2008 7:58:57 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Blue Turtle


50 posted on 05/11/2008 8:01:06 PM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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