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NYT Editorial - Rethinking Ethanol
NYT ^ | May 11th, 2008 | Editorial

Posted on 05/11/2008 3:15:50 PM PDT by The_Republican

The time has come for Congress to rethink ethanol, an alternative fuel that has lately fallen from favor. Specifically, it is time to end an outdated tax break for corn ethanol and to call a timeout in the fivefold increase in ethanol production mandated in the 2007 energy bill.

This does not mean that Congress should give up on biofuels as an important part of the effort to reduce the country’s dependency on imported oil and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. What it does mean is that some biofuels are (or are likely to be) better than others, and that Congress should realign its tax and subsidy programs to encourage the good ones. Unlike corn ethanol, those biofuels will not compete for the world’s food supply and will deliver significant reductions in greenhouse gases.

Last year’s energy bill required that 36 billion gallons of biofuels be produced annually by 2022. Of that, 21 billion gallons would be “advanced” biofuels that are still mostly in the experimental stage; the rest would be the corn-based variety beloved by farmers, Midwestern politicians and presidential candidates. This mandate comes on top of a 51-cents-a-gallon subsidy to ethanol blenders enacted when the industry was small and oil prices low.

The industry is no longer small — seven billion gallons and climbing rapidly — and oil is over $120 a barrel, making ethanol not only competitive but a bargain.

Ending the tax subsidy should be easy. Ending the mandate will be tougher, though some members of Congress are showing buyer’s remorse. One reason is the worldwide spike in food prices. That has been driven largely by a huge increase in demand and rising energy costs. The diversion of American corn from food to fuel — about one-fourth of the crop — has not helped.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; biofuels; climatechange; energy; ethanol; gasprices; globalwarming

1 posted on 05/11/2008 3:15:50 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

Good find. Unusually sane and sensible for a NYT editorial.


2 posted on 05/11/2008 3:19:57 PM PDT by Wade827 (Job 21:3)
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To: The_Republican

The next editorial in this logical sequence should be: Rethinking Liberalism.


3 posted on 05/11/2008 3:24:28 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: red flanker

Soylent Green Is PETA (Killing Two Birds With One Stone)

4 posted on 05/11/2008 3:25:05 PM PDT by red flanker
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To: The_Republican
Somewhere just over the rainbow is a mythical solution to our energy needs. It is only just out of our grasp.

I don't know what it is, but it will be clean, leave no carbon footprint, cost little, will not affect commodity prices, need no government subsidy, and will be loved by all the children of the world. Imagine a spring time field of wildflowers.

However, until this heavenly source emerges we gotta get off our collective a$$es and exploit the energy technologies we know will work.

5 posted on 05/11/2008 3:25:45 PM PDT by Jacquerie (McCain will offer battle to Islam - The Obamabeast will offer our heads.)
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To: Wade827
Rethinking Ethanol???
6 posted on 05/11/2008 3:26:01 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: The_Republican
The time has come for Congress to rethink ethanol... it is time to end an outdated tax break for corn ethanol and to call a timeout in the fivefold increase in ethanol production mandated in the 2007 energy bill.

Oops. - Seamless 180 degree turn on ethanol while still trying to push the fatally flawed agenda in the same breath.

This does not mean that Congress should give up ...

Yeah. Until the next fiasco resulting from meaningless and ill conceived government intervention into a sector that is working fine without them.

7 posted on 05/11/2008 3:27:47 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Jacquerie

[Somewhere just over the rainbow is a mythical solution to our energy needs. It is only just out of our grasp. I don’t know what it is, but it will be clean, leave no carbon footprint, cost little, will not affect commodity prices, need no government subsidy, and will be loved by all the children of the world. Imagine a spring time field of wildflowers.]

That’s what will happen if the American people are smart enough to elect a Democrat as president this November. On the day after inauguration, the President will reach into the top drawer in his desk in the oval office and take out the magic wand sitting there and then wave it around (Bush was too dumb to know how to use it) and all of the world’s problems will be solved.

But only if a Democrat is elected.

sarcasm off/


8 posted on 05/11/2008 3:31:38 PM PDT by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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To: The_Republican
NO CORN FOR ETHANOL !! !! NO CORN FOR ETHANOL !! PEOPLE STARVE BECAUSE OF ETHANOL !! PEOPLE STARVE BECAUSE OF ETHANOL !!
THIS WAR IS ON THE POOR , NO CORN FOR ETHANOL !! PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMETALIST !! opps ? wait ? that was their plan all along.
9 posted on 05/11/2008 3:49:57 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: CygnusXI; Beowulf

Ethanol ping.


10 posted on 05/11/2008 3:51:47 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: The_Republican

Like old Clint Eastwood said in that movie with the ape, Hang on to your ass, Fred. The ethanol plants are beginning to close. Several of them have gone belly up in the last month, and more are expected to.

It will seek its own level.


11 posted on 05/11/2008 3:55:06 PM PDT by Concho (IRS--Americas real terrorist organization.)
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To: theBuckwheat
" The next editorial in this logical sequence should be: Rethinking Liberalism. "

Better yet ? Defeating Liberalism and make it a footnote in the history of infamy.

A famous quote " a society is judged by how it treats is must weakest, poorest, vulnerable, most defenseless citizens among it "
12 posted on 05/11/2008 4:01:31 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: HangThemHigh

Rethinking Ethanol??? = DRILL IN ANWR !!


13 posted on 05/11/2008 4:04:18 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Sorry for the typo.
Corrected :

A famous quote " a society is judged by how it treats it's most weakest, poorest, vulnerable, most defenseless citizens among it "
14 posted on 05/11/2008 4:07:20 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: The_Republican

OH NO! I won’t believe it. The Liberal econuts were WRONG!


15 posted on 05/11/2008 4:09:36 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: The_Republican

Gotta hand to those boys, they’re quick on the uptake.
Someone ought to tell them that the guy running in front of the crowd isn’t always a leader. They might be chasing him.


16 posted on 05/11/2008 4:11:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: The_Republican

‘Ending the tax subsidy should be easy.’ Does a tin foil hat statement like that really need a comment?


17 posted on 05/11/2008 4:16:43 PM PDT by a_different_conservative
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To: The_Republican
some members of Congress are showing buyer’s remorse. One reason is the worldwide spike in food prices. That has been driven largely by a huge increase in demand and rising energy costs. The diversion of American corn from food to fuel — about one-fourth of the crop — has not helped.

Aw.. let the hungry live on MTBE. The environmentalists and Nytimen have oceans of it left over from THEIR LAST STUPID AIR HEAD MACHINATION!

When are Americans going to make good use of all those beautiful lamp posts?

18 posted on 05/11/2008 4:19:16 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: The_Republican

where they been?

out on the farm we were thinkin’ that two years ago.


19 posted on 05/11/2008 4:36:17 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: The_Republican
What it does mean is that some biofuels are (or are likely to be) better than others, and that Congress should realign its tax and subsidy programs to encourage the good ones.

Socialism and central planning always fails.

20 posted on 05/11/2008 4:40:41 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (During the Middle Ages, rats spread bubonic plague. Today, Rats spread the socialist plague.)
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To: The_Republican

More B.S. from the Arabs and Arabs lovers.


21 posted on 05/11/2008 4:50:17 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversd)
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To: The_Republican

Ethanol is meant to be DRUNK, not put in gas tanks!


22 posted on 05/11/2008 4:53:14 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: The_Republican; All
Regardless that Congress has the had all the time since the 1973 oil embargo to lead the nation to energy independence, Congress has failed to do so. This is evidenced by oil prices that are going through the ceiling. So I'm keeping tabs on new developments in ethanol technology from the private sector.

First, the bad news about ethanol. Ethanol fires are evidently harder to control than gasoline fires.

Ethanol fires hard to control
Hopefully, ways will be found to make controlling ethanol fires easier.

On the brighter side concerning ethanol, there's now evidence that people might get as much, or more, bang per buck for their gas dollars with gas / ethanol mixtures.

Gas-competitive gas / ethanol mixtures
Also, I was surprised by the introduction of a machine for making home-made ethanol.
EFUEL100
But watch out for fines for violating biofuel regulations.
Fines for violating biofuel regulations
Finally, I'm also keeping an eye on the development of non-corn ethanol production.
Non-corn ethanol

23 posted on 05/11/2008 5:11:30 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: The_Republican
The time has come for Congress to rethink ethanol,

Not only ethanol, it's also time to rethink the "Manmade Global Warming" hoax.

The NYT has been a major cheerleader in this farce from the get go..


24 posted on 05/11/2008 5:15:04 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made." Groucho Marx)
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To: Wade827
Good find. Unusually sane and sensible for a NYT editorial.

Baloney.
Ask the sick socialist scumbags who write this twaddle what they think about drilling in ANWR or off-shore to "reduce the country’s dependency on imported oil" and then tell me how sensible this NY Slimes editorial is.

25 posted on 05/11/2008 5:20:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
A famous quote " a society is judged by how it treats it's most weakest, poorest, vulnerable, most defenseless citizens among it "

I love "famous quotes". They usually leave more questions than answers. For example, who, exactly, does the "judging"?

26 posted on 05/11/2008 5:24:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Rethinking Ethanol??? = DRILL IN ANWR !!

ANWR = a good start.
We have vast reserves of shale oil in Utah & North Dakota, etc.
We have large quantities of nuclear fuel.
We have coal.

I wouldn’t be opposed to wasting a little money on windmills , solar, cow fart capture, whatever, if we would get started on the list above. The only reason for our energy dependency is lack of initiative (or at least not enough to overcome the do-nothings).


27 posted on 05/11/2008 5:33:39 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: The_Republican

IOW, the Iowa caucuses are not for another four years, time to throw Iowa under the bus.


28 posted on 05/11/2008 5:42:25 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: The_Republican

No wonder it been so cold lately! Hell HAS frozen over!


29 posted on 05/11/2008 6:08:59 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: calcowgirl

....and Bill Jones is very sad.


30 posted on 05/11/2008 6:09:03 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: HangThemHigh

It has to do more with 30 years of incompetent Govt policy by the US Govt.

Supply and demand. The world demand for oil has gone up significantly, while the US is doing nothing to either increase it domestic supplies or control it appetite for oil.

Rather then scream the same stupid slogans about “Windfall Profit taxes” and “Investigating the Oil companies” we have been hearing since the 1970s, maybe we should try opening the vast oil production regions of the US we have put off limits and harnessing our own energy sources for a change?

In 1978 we heard all the same things we are hearing out of the Democrats now. “Windfall profit taxes, investigate the oil companies, conserve energy, increase the CAP standards” 30 years later the Democrats are saying the same things in 2008 they were saying in 1978.

The whole reason we created the Dept of Energy in 1978 was to purse these green dogmas. Well it 30 years and trillions of dollars in Govt spending later. Where are we from following the Democrat Party’s siren song on “an Environmentally Sound Energy Policy”?

The reason we are wholly dependent on the variances of the International Oil Market, instead of being one of the nations profiting by them, is because, for “environmental” reasons, we have spent the last 30 years as a matter of Govt policy, doing everything to restrict domestic energy production to in order to push silly “conservation” schemes To blame the speculators for speculating in an Oil market made so ultra profitable for them by stupid US Govt polices is to blame the cart for being pulled by the horse.

WE, the people of the USA via the agency of those idiots we elect and re-elect year after year after year, are to blame not speculators, not the market, not the Fed Reserve and dollar policy. US for not developing our own resources and instead allowing the usual suspects to sing the siren song that we could have all the “Eco green” Govt polices we felt like but would never have to pay any economic prices for those stupidities.


31 posted on 05/11/2008 6:10:27 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Wade827
sane and sensible for a NYT editorial.

Yeah, but they're a little late to the game -- Washington Post and even the Boston Globe have them beat by a month or so! ;-)

32 posted on 05/11/2008 6:12:40 PM PDT by maryz
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To: The_Republican

NYT Editorial - Rethinking Ethanol Liberal Idiocy

There, fixed it.

33 posted on 05/11/2008 6:15:06 PM PDT by Hoodat (Bull Moose Party Member)
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To: Wade827
Good find. Unusually sane and sensible for a NYT editorial.

I'm sorry, but not hardly. It is typical liberal tripe, only more rotten and foul and more widely disseminated.

It's a mishmash of illogic and ad hoc invention. Sure, this ill-conceived and unnecesary interference in the market ended in disaster, but next time will be different. It will be more poorly conceived, less necessary and even more disasterous.

Reading it made me laugh out loud. How are liberals ever going to explain the disaster of ethanol? But trust us, national health care and international climate management will work out just peachy. Oh, yeah, and after the stunning successes of public housing and education reform.

34 posted on 05/11/2008 6:15:11 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The women got the vote and the Nation got Harding.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Nah... he and his son and law have sold big chunks of stock—about $100 million, IIRC. It’s the poor schmucks he sold to, those buying into “green mutual funds” and such, that will probably be left holding the bag. Poor little suckers just don’t get a seat in the front row like those who help design the trough. ;-)


35 posted on 05/11/2008 6:33:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: MNJohnnie

You’re right on the money! This is just more liberal jibberish leading to more government interference. We should abolish the energy department (right along with the dept of education).


36 posted on 05/11/2008 6:51:09 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: The_Republican

All the billions of dollars poured into the ethanol boondoggle haven’t reduced our dependency on foreign oil by one barrel. All the ethanol program has done is make ADM and some farmers rich.


37 posted on 05/11/2008 7:17:16 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Lancey Howard

Any idea whose “famous quote” this is? I know I should know this, but it just skips my mind right now.


38 posted on 05/11/2008 8:18:17 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: NonValueAdded

You mean to say that the votes of Iowans are for sale? Perish the thought.


39 posted on 05/11/2008 8:20:46 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso

Various versions of that quote have been attributed to Mahatma Ghandi, Winston Churchill, Teddy Dostoyevsky, and Harry Truman.


40 posted on 05/11/2008 9:16:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: The_Republican

No mention from a single Socialist of the FDR “No Till” Set asides) policies.

Polices enacted to keep prices high.


41 posted on 05/11/2008 9:45:54 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The Huge Demonstrations by Illegals in 2006 prove they have more of the Spirit of 76 then we do)
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To: The_Republican
Unlike corn ethanol, those biofuels will not compete for the world’s food supply and will deliver significant reductions in greenhouse gases.

Which biofuels don't burn carbon dioxide? I suspect that every biofuel out there converts to more CO2 than gasoline and cars need more of it to travel the same miles as gasoline.

42 posted on 05/11/2008 9:57:23 PM PDT by Perchant
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Show me one person who is starving because of US ethanol.

Corn, Wheat, and Rice exports are all at record levels. We have increased our supply of grain to the World.


43 posted on 05/12/2008 12:14:21 AM PDT by Swiss
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To: Swiss
We have increased our supply of grain to the World.

Are you sure it's not, "We have increased our Supply of Grain to the World"?
44 posted on 05/12/2008 12:16:33 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Wade827

Maybe they’ll “rethink” global warming next...


45 posted on 05/12/2008 7:02:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Obama)
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To: The_Republican

BTTT!


46 posted on 05/12/2008 8:17:33 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: The_Republican; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; Normandy; Delacon; TenthAmendmentChampion; ..
From the link:

T"he other reason is a spate of studies suggesting that some biofuels — corn ethanol in particular — could accelerate global warming. Environmentalists had long regarded corn ethanol as at least carbon-neutral, emitting greenhouse gases when burned but absorbing those gases while growing. But rising demand for corn, for fuel and food, can have a profoundly negative effect if it causes farmers to clear previously untouched land, in turn releasing more carbon into the atmosphere"

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

47 posted on 05/13/2008 3:17:16 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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