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'My Daughter Deserved To Die For Falling In Love'
guardian.co.uk ^ | May 11 2008 | Afif Sarhan in Basra and Caroline Davies

Posted on 05/10/2008 7:11:23 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Two weeks ago, The Observer revealed how 17-year-old student Rand Abdel-Qader was beaten to death by her father after becoming infatuated with a British soldier in Basra. In this remarkable interview, Abdel-Qader Ali explains why he is unrepentant - and how police backed his actions. Afif Sarhan in Basra and Caroline Davies report

* Afif Sarhan in Basra and Caroline Davies * The Observer, * Sunday May 11 2008

For Abdel-Qader Ali there is only one regret: that he did not kill his daughter at birth. 'If I had realised then what she would become, I would have killed her the instant her mother delivered her,' he said with no trace of remorse.

Two weeks after The Observer revealed the shocking story of Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, murdered because of her infatuation with a British solider in Basra, southern Iraq, her father is defiant. Sitting in the front garden of his well-kept home in the city's Al-Fursi district, he remains a free man, despite having stamped on, suffocated and then stabbed his student daughter to death.

Abdel-Qader, 46, a government employee, was initially arrested but released after two hours. Astonishingly, he said, police congratulated him on what he had done. 'They are men and know what honour is,' he said.

Rand, who was studying English at Basra University, was deemed to have brought shame on her family after becoming infatuated with a British soldier, 22, known only as Paul.

She died a virgin, according to her closest friend Zeinab. Indeed, her 'relationship' with Paul, which began when she worked as a volunteer helping displaced families and he was distributing water, appears to have consisted of snatched conversations over less than four months. But the young, impressionable Rand fell in love with him, confiding her feelings and daydreams to Zeinab, 19.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abdelqader; basra; honorkilling; honorkillings; honormurder; honourkilling; iraqiwomen; islam; murder; muslim; muslims; muslimwomen

1 posted on 05/10/2008 7:11:23 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“The Religion of Peace” bump ....


2 posted on 05/10/2008 7:15:34 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Allegra

Pinged for your consideration...


3 posted on 05/10/2008 7:19:50 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

These people are ANIMALS!

They are barbaric.


4 posted on 05/10/2008 7:20:28 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

excerpt:

“Two weeks after The Observer revealed the shocking story of Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, murdered because of her infatuation with a British solider in Basra, southern Iraq, her father is defiant. Sitting in the front garden of his well-kept home in the city’s Al-Fursi district, he remains a free man, despite having stamped on, suffocated and then stabbed his student daughter to death.”

A FREE man?

A FREE ANIMAL!


5 posted on 05/10/2008 7:22:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Admin Moderator

duplicate thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2014269/posts


6 posted on 05/10/2008 7:23:39 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama: My 1930s Foreign Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Social Policy!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

another excerpt:

It was her first youthful infatuation and it would be her last. She died on 16 March after her father discovered she had been seen in public talking to Paul, considered to be the enemy, the invader and a Christian. Though her horrified mother, Leila Hussein, called Rand’s two brothers, Hassan, 23, and Haydar, 21, to restrain Abdel-Qader as he choked her with his foot on her throat, they joined in. Her shrouded corpse was then tossed into a makeshift grave without ceremony as her uncles spat on it in disgust.

‘Death was the least she deserved,’ said Abdel-Qader. ‘I don’t regret it. I had the support of all my friends who are fathers, like me, and know what she did was unacceptable to any Muslim that honours his religion,’ he said.


7 posted on 05/10/2008 7:23:43 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hmmmmm..........

Their religion..... their ‘god’,their ‘bible’ gives 100’s of reasons it’s OK to KILL.

Christianity has only one rule. Thou shalt not Kill(murder).


8 posted on 05/10/2008 7:24:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: nmh
Abdel-Qader brings shame on his family, on his clan, on his tribe, on his entire nation.

Any Iraqi man with a true understanding of honor would take care of this problem immediately.

Alas, Iraq is a nation without honor.

9 posted on 05/10/2008 7:26:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Islam, the Cult of Death


10 posted on 05/10/2008 7:29:36 PM PDT by bray (If everyone hates you, you must be doin something right?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

But.. but but but, they are the religion of peace!!!!

/sarcasm


11 posted on 05/10/2008 7:30:16 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: nmh

Psychopaths.


12 posted on 05/10/2008 7:33:01 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Abdel-Qader finds pleasure in other men.


13 posted on 05/10/2008 7:33:12 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hey Barack! Maybe we can have talks with these people. They seem so.... reasonable.


14 posted on 05/10/2008 7:35:30 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: All
from the link of the Guardian article cited in post no. 1:

ARTICLE SNIPPET:

"It was her first youthful infatuation and it would be her last. She died on 16 March after her father discovered she had been seen in public talking to Paul, considered to be the enemy, the invader and a Christian. Though her horrified mother, Leila Hussein, called Rand's two brothers, Hassan, 23, and Haydar, 21, to restrain Abdel-Qader as he choked her with his foot on her throat, they joined in. Her shrouded corpse was then tossed into a makeshift grave without ceremony as her uncles spat on it in disgust. 'Death was the least she deserved,' said Abdel-Qader. 'I don't regret it. I had the support of all my friends who are fathers, like me, and know what she did was unacceptable to any Muslim that honours his religion,' he said."

15 posted on 05/10/2008 7:40:32 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Free ThinkerNY
animals

(with apologies to our four legged friends)

16 posted on 05/10/2008 7:40:47 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the infence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.

It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).


17 posted on 05/10/2008 7:43:07 PM PDT by Bobalu (What do I know, I'm a Typical White Guy)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Liberal women take note, here’s a REAL reason to hate your daddy!!

Aw shucks, why disturb their rebellion?


18 posted on 05/10/2008 7:44:10 PM PDT by Grateful One
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So... can anyone tell me why our brave soldiers are still dying in this land of barbarians?


19 posted on 05/10/2008 7:48:22 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
'Now, my lovely Rose is in her grave. But, God will make her father pay, either in this world ... or in the world after.'

This story made me cry. But her mother's words won't go unheard. God has a special place for men like him.

20 posted on 05/10/2008 7:54:02 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; SJackson; Alouette; JulieRNR21; metmom; Tired of Taxes

Religion of Peace alert!

Anyone who has read the Koran knows that there is no sanction for “honor” killings. But those people so enjoy bloodshed and destruction, they don’t care.


21 posted on 05/10/2008 7:54:24 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Karl Marx supported free trade. Does that make him a free market conservative?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Bump for later reading.


22 posted on 05/10/2008 7:59:19 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
'She was killed by animals. Every night when go to bed I remember the face of Rand calling for help while her father and brothers ended her life,'

'If I had realised then what she would become, I would have killed her the instant her mother delivered her,'

Sitting in the front garden of his well-kept home in the city's Al-Fursi district, he remains a free man, despite having stamped on, suffocated and then stabbed his student daughter to death

LIKE HER MOTHER SAID: HE'S AN ANIMAL!!!!!!

23 posted on 05/10/2008 8:01:36 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: nmh

Don’t insult my animal.


24 posted on 05/10/2008 8:18:17 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

See how far they will go, these people who value free health care (UK Socialized Medicine) and all the other leftist gimme crap over freedom and the values of a civilized world? The Brits “on the street” just want what the UK nanny state can put in their outstretched hands. The people we so admired during the Great Wars for fighting back have become gubmint teat suckers.


25 posted on 05/10/2008 8:32:29 PM PDT by PLK
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To: PLK
See how far they will go, these people who value free health care (UK Socialized Medicine) and all the other leftist gimme crap over freedom and the values of a civilized world? The Brits “on the street” just want what the UK nanny state can put in their outstretched hands. The people we so admired during the Great Wars for fighting back have become gubmint teat suckers.

And hence, tolerate the murder of a throw-away Moose Limb girl so their leftist benefactors remain in power and they can continue to suck at said teat.

26 posted on 05/10/2008 8:36:22 PM PDT by PLK
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To: Cindy

These creeps, who call themselves human are just sickening


27 posted on 05/10/2008 8:41:41 PM PDT by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: fhayek
"Hey Barack! Maybe we can have talks with these people. They seem so.... reasonable."

He's one of 'em.
28 posted on 05/10/2008 9:10:09 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I don’t know if he is one of them or not. But he certainly is not an American. And I am not being sardonic here.


29 posted on 05/10/2008 9:31:41 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek
"I don’t know if he is one of them or not."

Burden of proof is on the guy descended from, raised by, mentored by and schooled by Muslims, and with whom he continues to associate. He could renounce Islam but has chosen not to do so-- says he is a Christian but, from his denials of knowledge of Rev. Wright's incendiary pulpit statements, clearly wasn't listening too closely.

If he's not a Muslim, he's soft and squishy on Muslims, even radical ones like Ahmadinejad and Hamas, and that might be even more dangerous.
30 posted on 05/10/2008 9:52:32 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: clee1
So... can anyone tell me why our brave soldiers are still dying in this land of barbarians?

I agree. The only way a Western military can improve a Muslim country is by removing all the amenities of modern life from 36,000 feet. They want society to return to the seventh century, and we should give it to them good and hard. No electricity, no vehicles, no medicine, no modern agriculture. Medieval squalor for all.

31 posted on 05/10/2008 10:58:52 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m guessing the British soldier heard about this by now and is stunned.

Too bad some soldiers can’t trace Abdel-Qader to his hideout in Jordan and honor kill HIM.


32 posted on 05/10/2008 11:46:52 PM PDT by KittyKares (.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What would they do to a non family member?

Muslims cannot ever have Nukes.

If it means millions or even tens of millions dead in Iran, then so be it.


33 posted on 05/11/2008 12:47:00 AM PDT by NoLibZone (The Huge Demonstrations by Illegals in ‘06 prove they have more of the ‘Spirit of 76’ then we do)
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To: Bobalu

All those years ago and Winnie sure had them nailed, didn’t he?


34 posted on 05/11/2008 3:07:42 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila
I can remember from childhood my father's warnings about the actual aims of Islam and I am 48 this year so those that say this is something that has arisen in the last 10 - 20 years are living in denial it goes back to the crusades and beyond.
35 posted on 05/11/2008 4:14:10 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs
I've got ten years on you and, as far as politics go, the main thing that I remember growing up here in the States was the cold war and the nuclear threat posed by the Soviet Union. The Cuban missile crisis was big for me because at that time I was living in Miami, ninety miles from Cuba. I remember a teacher telling us that if we didn't have a nuclear war at that time, then we would never have one. A more dangerous scenario was hard to imagine. Little did she know what was coming up the road.

Your father sounds as though he was ahead of his time in his ability to sense an approaching evil which, in the period that he spoke of it, had not yet made it's way into the public consciousness at large. I think that I began thinking about the Islamic threat around the time of the Iranian takeover of the American embassy in Tehran.

36 posted on 05/11/2008 5:30:35 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Free ThinkerNY
considered to be the enemy, the invader and a Christian

It is time for someone to explain why we are there. What happened to this young woman is a crime, but closer examination of the reason(s) given demonstrate this father is a terrorist and an enemy to the free state of Iraq. He considers those who are there dying for his freedom, the enemy. I consider him worthy of the honor of a few rounds from an AK-47 with no questions asked.

37 posted on 05/11/2008 9:13:45 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Boil this Mooslime alive in pig fat.
38 posted on 05/11/2008 9:18:11 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: NoLibZone
What would they do to a non family member?

I was thinking the same thing. If they can easily kill one of their own children, think how easy it would be for them to kill one of us.

39 posted on 05/11/2008 3:26:07 PM PDT by KittyKares (.)
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