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3 small-town jr. high kids suspended for sitting during Pledge (of Allegiance)
Minneapolis StarTribune (aka The Red Star) ^ | 5/09/08 | Paul Walsh - Staff Reporter

Posted on 05/09/2008 9:11:15 AM PDT by MplsSteve

Three small-town eighth-graders were suspended for not standing at the start of the school day Thursday for the Pledge of Allegiance.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in western Minnesota.

Brandt told the Fargo Forum that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Kim Dahl said the "punishment didn't fit the crime. If they wanted to know why he didn't stand, they should've made him write a paper."

She said that Brandt has not been standing all year, and "all of a sudden it became an in-school suspension."

The district today is defending the punishments. The school's handbook says all students are required to stand but are not obligated to recite the pledge.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; culturewar; dumbkids; indoctrination; minnesota; pledge; pledgeofallegiance
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1 posted on 05/09/2008 9:11:15 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

Shut up and stand up, kid.

}:-)4


2 posted on 05/09/2008 9:12:02 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: MplsSteve

Obama influenced?


3 posted on 05/09/2008 9:12:27 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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4 posted on 05/09/2008 9:13:06 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

“I’m sorry sir. He will stand the next time...WON’T YOU SON?”


5 posted on 05/09/2008 9:14:41 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: MplsSteve

Kids being kids. Make em run laps at lunch and clean school grounds after classes for a week.


6 posted on 05/09/2008 9:15:51 AM PDT by WarToad
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To: MplsSteve
Courtesy suggests standing when the national anthem of any nation is played.
7 posted on 05/09/2008 9:16:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: MplsSteve

“”My son wasn’t being defiant against America,” said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in western Minnesota.”

He was being defiant against the teacher and school. It’s no different than when the gym teacher tells everyone to stand up and stretch. You stand up for the pledge.

I sort of agree that suspension seems harsh, however.


9 posted on 05/09/2008 9:16:55 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: MplsSteve

It’s hip to piss on America now.


10 posted on 05/09/2008 9:18:40 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: MplsSteve

It is entirely proper for schools to teach patriotism and respect for the country and it’s symbols, and to exact a penalty for those who don’t learn.


11 posted on 05/09/2008 9:19:06 AM PDT by RonF
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To: MplsSteve

The kid is just being a brat.


12 posted on 05/09/2008 9:19:37 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: NotMeAgain

I’ve heard the “sig-heil” salute was in use here long before the Nazis came onto the stage, and that it was based on the ancient Roman salute.


13 posted on 05/09/2008 9:20:37 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Save the earth. Make biofuels out of eco-fascists.)
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To: MEGoody

AHHH, public education continues to show why homeschooling is soooo necessary. why these kids think america is the bad country, I haven’t a clue. they never leave their bedrooms and they think they know the world because of the internet.


14 posted on 05/09/2008 9:21:51 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: CindyDawg
“I’m sorry sir. He will stand the next time...WON’T YOU SON?”

You got it!

15 posted on 05/09/2008 9:22:39 AM PDT by billva
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To: RonF
Seig Heil!

The Bellamy's and all the other proto-Nazi's who developed thr Pledge agree with you.

16 posted on 05/09/2008 9:23:39 AM PDT by bvw
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To: MplsSteve

Just following Obama’s lead, that’s all.


17 posted on 05/09/2008 9:25:22 AM PDT by CedarDave (Obama says he loves America. So why does he associate with those who so obviously hate it?)
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To: MplsSteve

When I was a kid, we did what we were told to do by the people who were placed in authority over us. Nowadays it all boils down to politics. If the kid doesn’t like the teacher’s politics he can feel free to do whatever the hell he likes, and we agonize over whether he was justified.


18 posted on 05/09/2008 9:25:32 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Who's worried about the Bolsheviks? They couldn't be worse than the Tsar!)
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To: Slapshot68

1 day in school suspension is harsh...??....omg what kind of punishment is that...??....back in the day we would have been bent over a chair and swatted with a paddle....maybe thats what we need more of to teach todays kids respect...obviously what they have been trying for years now isn’t working..............


19 posted on 05/09/2008 9:26:04 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Courtesy suggests...

Courtesy? What's 'courtesy'?

20 posted on 05/09/2008 9:29:36 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do I really need to use the Sarcasm Tag?)
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To: MplsSteve

These Kids’ parents should be smacking their kids.

Amazing.

You live in a nation that affords you more liberty and opportunity than the world has ever known, and you are too damned lazy to stand up and show some respect... My kid came home for doing this, trust me an in school suspension would be the last of his worries.

I’d take his butt the the closest large military cemetary, make him walk, and do maintance all day in that place and when he’s done ask him why he thinks he’s so much more important than all these people who gave their all for this nation. Why he is so damned lazy he can’t show respect for what he has been given, and what was sacrificed so he could even be here.

These parents should be ashamed of themselves for defending their childs selfishness.


21 posted on 05/09/2008 9:29:46 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Only in the dregs of an excuse of education called the public schools. Which is exactly why my children will NEVER ever set foot inside one as a pupil.


22 posted on 05/09/2008 9:31:21 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

you have got that right....the adults are afraid anymore and the kids no it.....


23 posted on 05/09/2008 9:33:08 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Obviously their parents didn’t know of this concept.


24 posted on 05/09/2008 9:33:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Slapshot68
I sort of agree that suspension seems harsh, however.

The little asshats disrespect America and get a free day, something that I don't think they will view as punishment.

Looks more like a reward to me.

25 posted on 05/09/2008 9:33:35 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: MplsSteve
I've got mixed feelings on this.

On one hand, I'm pretty sure these kids are snotty malcontents who are doing this just to "make a statement" and to be a pain in the @ss.

On the other hand, I have long said that compulsory recitals of the pledge of allegiance have no place in a free nation. Hell -- for that matter, public schools have no place in a free nation, either.

26 posted on 05/09/2008 9:33:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: billva

Yeah, I wouldn’t be able to sit down the next day after the old man found out...


27 posted on 05/09/2008 9:33:45 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: JZelle

>> It’s hip to piss on America now.

As it was 40 years ago - apples falling from trees.


28 posted on 05/09/2008 9:33:59 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: HamiltonJay

i’ll second that, and a great idea you have....i am going to have to remember that....


29 posted on 05/09/2008 9:35:08 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Alberta's Child

They weren’t required to recite the pledge, just to stand.


30 posted on 05/09/2008 9:38:12 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Guenevere

>>Obama influenced?

Sure, if Obamawannabe doesn’t have to put his hand over his heart, why should they stand if they don’t feel like it?

They take their cues from the adults around them, who takes cues from the media, ad nauseum.. too bad there are so few good examples left for them these days.

Future liberal-wannabe-leaders in the hutch.

Good for the teacher for calling them out on it. I was actually surprised to read that!

I remember once when I was about 7 or 8.. camping with my parents and cousins, we sang rowdy-school-bus alternate lyrics to the tune of God Bless America, and boy did my Dad give us a talking to about patriotism, sacrifice, and pride in our flag.

I will NEVER forget that.

*grumble*


31 posted on 05/09/2008 9:40:09 AM PDT by Dominnae (When asked by a Persian emissary for his weapons, King Leonidas said "Come and take them.")
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To: ltc8k6

Sort of like what a respectful American would do at a presentation of the Canadian flag. They would be pledging allegiance to their flag, and you’d be standing only, as a sign of respect.


32 posted on 05/09/2008 9:41:44 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: MplsSteve

34 posted on 05/09/2008 9:43:22 AM PDT by weegee ("I didn't kill innocent people." - Bill Ayers, Weatherman. Terrorist. Obama's comrade.)
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To: Revelation 911

Please don’t post personal phone #s and addresses.


35 posted on 05/09/2008 9:44:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: HamiltonJay

amen


36 posted on 05/09/2008 9:45:21 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Nowadays it all boils down to politics. If the kid doesn’t like the teacher’s politics he can feel free to do whatever the hell he likes, and we agonize over whether he was justified.

It is "treasonous" and "flat earther" to deny the myth of man made global warming. So say RFK Jr. and Pope Al Gore.

37 posted on 05/09/2008 9:47:25 AM PDT by weegee ("I didn't kill innocent people." - Bill Ayers, Weatherman. Terrorist. Obama's comrade.)
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To: MplsSteve

Blame the teachers’ union and all the anti-American swill that they expose our children to.


38 posted on 05/09/2008 9:47:51 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Alberta's Child
On the other hand, I have long said that compulsory recitals of the pledge of allegiance have no place in a free nation. Hell -- for that matter, public schools have no place in a free nation, either.

At the age of nine I got tossed out of the Cub Scouts for not learning the Pledge. Had I lived in Hitler's Germany, I probably would have been killed.

When I see our leaders giving away our national wealth to globalists and freedoms to internationalists at the behest of European socialists and to the delight of communists and Islamists, the image of the elite going through the motions as the Pledge to America are utterly phony.

39 posted on 05/09/2008 9:48:16 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: MplsSteve

Even if you have religious objections to the later-inserted “under God” bit, at least stand up in respect for the traditions of your country.


40 posted on 05/09/2008 9:50:49 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: MplsSteve

Mrs. Dahl’s boy wonder has not been standing all year. How special.

A few weeks ago, I was at Arlington NAtional Cemetery watching the changing of the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The National Park Service guy watching the crowd sternly but quietly physically intervened with more than one adult and with children who were not standing. No disrespect tolerated here.

Then an amazing thing happened. After the changing of the guard, the crowd went to leave and they started talking—loudly. My heart sank as I wondered why it was so difficult for my fellow citizens to keep their yaps shut for just a few minutes in a place of reverance.

The guard stopped, clicked his heels, turned to the corwd and admonished them for not keeping quiet. Then he turned and resumed his duties.

You could have heard a pin drop. So many mouths dropped open, I was afraid birds were going to start building nests there.

But, d@mn, it was quiet after that!!!


41 posted on 05/09/2008 9:51:01 AM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: exit82

if anyone has not been to Arlington and witnessed the changing of the Guard they should....i will never forget my first trip there...i was awestruck....God Bless All that have served to keep this country free........


42 posted on 05/09/2008 9:56:17 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: tatsinfla
1 day in school suspension is harsh...??....omg what kind of punishment is that...??....back in the day we would have been bent over a chair and swatted with a paddle....maybe thats what we need more of to teach todays kids respect...obviously what they have been trying for years now isn’t working..............

Can't do that these days ...stunts the little darlings freedom of expression.

43 posted on 05/09/2008 9:59:10 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: MplsSteve
Writing a paper is not a bad idea. Two years ago, we had a few Mexican students walk out of school in observance of some national protest thing. They were asked why they were protesting and none of them knew. They responded “You know, that Mexican rights stuff.”. Our principal placed all of them in In-School suspension until they completed a paper explaining why they protested. It took a while, but all of them either completed the paper or quit school.
44 posted on 05/09/2008 9:59:37 AM PDT by WesternPacific (I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils!)
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To: MplsSteve

I think people should always be forced to be patriotic. That treaches them respect.....for force.


45 posted on 05/09/2008 10:01:40 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: exit82
No disrespect tolerated here.

This says all you need to know about freedom and how much others will tolerate when it offends them. Pathetic.

46 posted on 05/09/2008 10:03:15 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Irish Eyes

i know, we will destroy thier egos...


47 posted on 05/09/2008 10:03:17 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: MplsSteve

The government can’t compel this sort of conduct. I’m not sure why schools continue to require students to participate and continue to waste taxpayer dollars litigating this issue.


48 posted on 05/09/2008 10:08:23 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: MplsSteve
I personally would have dragged them to the nearest VA hospital and introduced them to those who gave them their freedoms to be stupid disrespectful brats
49 posted on 05/09/2008 10:22:09 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Todays politicians living proof why we need have a second amendment to the constitution.)
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To: MplsSteve
Sounds like the kid has been wanting to get in-school suspension all year. ISS isn't a punishment but a get out of jail free card for many kids who don't want to be in class.

A typical day in ISS is - bring breakfast to the room and eat it while you're looking at the newspaper in a leisurely fashion. Then IF your teachers know or care that you have one day, then they MIGHT send over your assignments. If they do send your work, you can usually finish it within 30 minutes and have the rest of the day to do as you wish... well, quietly at you desk. Along comes lunch and again, you get to eat at your leisure at your desk while coloring or reading the latest Motor Trend magazine. As long as you have an open book on your desk you can feign reading and take an afternoon nap. Bottom line is you just got yourself a nice little vacation.

50 posted on 05/09/2008 10:37:56 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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