And Hitlery is a jack-booted bitch.
Posted on 05/08/2008 4:40:33 PM PDT by mnehring
John McCain rarely speaks about his experiences as a POW in Vietnam, but one of his cell mates at the Hanoi Hilton on Thursday described some of the conditions and character traits that earned McCain the commendations he received for his war service.
Col. George “Bud” Day, 83, is the most decorated service man since Gen. Douglas MacArthur, with more than 70 medals. A living legend, Day was blown out of the sky two months to the day before the North Vietnamese shot down a propaganda prize, whose father and grandfather were renowned American admirals.
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I saw Col. George “Bud” Day, talking about his and John McCain’s war experiences and it is very moving, and shows that John McCain has strength of character when it counts.
Thanks for the link. Good post!!
Thanks for posting this
Bttt
Very moving but irrelevant.
This does not change how McCain has voted on amnesty or taxes. Does not change his words or deeds on the border fence. Does not change his statements on marriage or roe vs wade.
We do not give Murtha or Rev Wright or Kerry a “free pass” because they served or did something of note.
This was discussed on FR a few weeks ago. Looks like McCain is just copying John Kerry’s campaign of being coy and allowing surrogates to say how wonderful he is/was.
Many people have “stepped up” in a crisis then have turned around and stood down in every day life.
Jane Fonda can be expected to issue a press release any day now saying that these are the lies of capitalist pigs.
I highly respect and honor Senator McCain for the hell he went through as a POW, he truly is what makes me proud of our military and veterans! :*)
(Unfortunately I do have a bone to pick with him over his ‘moderate’ (i.e. liberal) leanings in so many areas...)
Ditto;
I just wanted at least some sort of halfway positive news versus the typical bash fests. (No, I don’t support McCain politically)
BINGO!
Thank you, Mr. McCain, for you service and hardship on my behalf and I hope that America has repaid you well for your suffering and sacrifice.
That said, Lee Harvey Oswald, Charles Whitman and John F’ing Kerry served their nation, too.
McCain is no friend of the kind of Conservatism needed to save this nation. He is a RINO and a globalist.
And Hitlery is a jack-booted bitch.
You are the one with the irrelevancy here. The man went through hell for serving his country at a time of war. I thank him for his service.
This has nothing to do with politics.
“Very moving but irrelevant.”
Completely agree.
Although I respect his service to our country, it does not earn my vote.
I wonder if people who will vote for McCain because of his POW statis, voted for Perot because Adm. Stockdale was Perot’s running mate.
“He(Adm. Stockdale) was held as a prisoner of war in the Hoa Lo prison for the next seven years. Locked in leg irons in a bath stall, he was routinely tortured and beaten. When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, Stockdale beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition. He told them in no uncertain terms that they would never use him. When Stockdale heard that other prisoners were dying under the torture, he slit his wrists and told them that he preferred death to submission.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale
Where did it go after he returned to the US? When has he shown it as a member of Congress?
Ben Franklin said it best, "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
McCain is our only hope to keep Obama/Clinton out of the White House. Rest assured that the Dem ticket will be Hussein and Hillary together and the Dem turnout will be huge. McCain may not even be able to pull it out even with full support of conservatives.
I lauded McCain, and tolerated his McCain Feingold faux pas. But what he did in organizing the "Gang of 14" and derailing the conservative agenda,McCains backroom politics against Tom DeLay, will forever cancel any gratitude I feel in relation to his service to our nation.I respect his service, but I cannot support him unless forced.
I still hold hope that McCain will be somehow replaced by a conservative at the Republican convention.Duncan Hunter will do.Or even Collin Powell. Perhaps McCain will destroy himself by having a "McCain moment" in public.
You, sir, are one cynical, sorry low-life.
My ex-wife had a longtermmemory (she never missed an opportunity to scold, berate,and belittle any who were around her) and it made her bitter, caustic, vitriolic, and a sad miserable human being.
Just give the man his props.
And, don’t ask how I really felt about her.
Yeah that’s right. McCain is just like JFK’s assassin and a murderous psychopath.
Well said.
McCain’s sacrifice should make us all proud to be Americans.
longtermmemory should us make us all resent being Freepers
I don’t think McCain would want you to vote for him just because he suffered as a POW. That also is part of his character.
I watched Colonel Day speak so proudly about his fellow prisoner of war,John McCain.For ‘longtermmemory’to begin his reply about John McCain’s military service as”very moving but irrelevant made me feel not very proud to be associated with Free Republic.Perhaps elections make people say some very harsh things.
My tagline is my comment.
Good one.
Remember, you are as much of a part as she (longtermmemory) is, so be the balance to things that don't make you proud. Yin and Yang.
It is the form not the substance.
The medium is the message.
It is the IDENTICAL PLAYBOOK.
McCain could easily walk up to the Podium to accept the nomination and do the same BS “John McCain reporting for duty.”
BOTH men used (using) the same methodology to conceal liberal leanings. Just because it is McCain was shot down and a POW vs Kerry finegeling purple hearts does not change the fact it is the same play. Do we forgive the thief because their victim is a scoundral?
I don't know, who stole from you?
Your statement proves the point. McCain is irrelevant in this race.
It is not about McCain vs Obama. It is about anybody but Obama.
McCain has no coat tails, McCain has no fundraising gravitas. I would submit McCain has ANTI-fundraising gravitas. To hear McCain is to cause one to close the checkbook.
This race is only about keeping the commies out.
If there is anything I can absolutely give him props on it is his service to country.
Hell the man can not even raise his arms above his shoulders because of what they did to him.
Really I did not know until todays release from the Navy, the medals that McCain was awarded.
As to McCain being famous because he was shot down. NO that is not why, it is because he was given an out, one that even Bud Day said he could have taken, but refused the chance to come home early.
You really think Kerry would have refused that offer.
BTW he was tortured because he refused to take their offer. Bud Day confirmed that in the interview.
BTTT!
You realize that there was an official Code of Conduct for the release of POWs, don't you? They got released in the order of capture. To have accepted the release offered by the VC would have been a direct violation of ORDERS. McCain followed orders--as did hundreds of others.
Especially when he was being compared to Kerry who while they were being tortured and earning real purple hearts, was in Paris negotiation with North Vietnam.
No, not irrelevant. It's relevant. But it's not as relevant as his voting record or his statements regarding political ideology. It's ok to dislike the man. I don't care for him much either. But give the man credit where he earns it.
I owe it all to El Rushbo!
You said he was famous for it--as if it was something beyond the call of duty and something others did not do, which simply was not the case. Your post:
"As to McCain being famous because he was shot down. NO that is not why, it is because he was given an out, one that even Bud Day said he could have taken, but refused the chance to come home early."He followed orders.
As to John Kerry, I don't hold him as a standard. But I think McCain singing to the communists, giving them military secrets, and making two dozen propaganda tapes for our enemy, probably trumps the Paris talks.
McCain served... he was shot down... he survived. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But his record couldn't hold a candle to that of Bud Day.
You must be kidding me right???? Just what did they do to Kerry to make him go to Paris, "wearing military fatigues btw".
For reference by the forum:
American Patriot: The Life and Wars of Colonel Bud Day
by Robert Coram
http://www.amazon.com/American-Patriot-Life-Wars-Colonel/dp/0316758477/ref=ed_oe_h
BookTV (C-Span2 weekends) page on “American Patriot”
http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=8286&SectionName=Public%20Lives&PlayMedia=No
My (VOA’s) comment:
I read “American Patriot” after seeing the segment on it on Book TV
(C-Span 2 weekends).
My own impression of Col. Bud Day’s take on John McCain during their
stay at The Hanoi Hilton was: McCain was a mixed bag in Day’s appraisal.
The Positives on McCain: Bulldog tough, didn’t take advantage of
offers from the North Vietnamese, and hanged tough when the going was rough.
The Negatives: a womanizer, and usually “playing to the crowd”, and
also “MIA” following the war as concerned veteran reunions, etc.
Those are just my inexpert impressions.
And I have to admit that having been mildly suprised to see Col. Bud
Day on a podium with Senator McCain during the Iowa primary, (both
in fighter pilot jackets)...I think I made the same calculation that
Col. Day made:
McCain isn’t perfect.
McCain has flaws.
But his positives exceed his negatives.
AND
McCain’s positives FAR exceed Hillary!/Obama’s.
McCain’s negatives are less than Hillary!/Obama’s.
I know I’m being VERY presumptuous to assume why Col. Day has turned
out as a real supporter of McCain.
But, given the flawed world we live in and the limitations of the
process for selecting our candidates...
I’ll just have to follow two guiding principles for the November Election:
1. Trust Col. Day’s judgement
2. Hold my nose in voting for McCain despite his negatives.
It’s a pretty unpalatable situation.
But that’s my personal approach to the situation.
If McCain were a Democrat, there would be three or four Hollywood movies about his captivity by now.
Instead, we are on our fourth Hollywood movie about Che Guevara.
You just do-not-get-it.
Thank you for posting. Allow me to head off the disgraceful, idiot remarks by calling them that.
Yep, I would never presume to question his military experience or his heroism, just his history in politics. And that is what he should be judged on if he wants to be president. IMHO
Hardly fair to compare McCain - a true hero -with Kerry - a wannabe.Hardly fair? I'd call it downright dishonest. Despicably dishonest. It's exactly the kind of thing the dems do, the MSM does, the university profs do... linking all things as "equivalent".
McCain's war record is not "equivalent" to Kerry's record of 3 months in the field and 40 years whining about it.
No. McCain has a lot of problems, so many that I won't vote for him. But to compare his heroism with Kerry's soldier-bashing is downright mean, and downright dishonest.
There are many things I disagree with John McCain about.
But he is, in my humble opinion, a hero.
I can’t imagine the hell he went through. The hell they all went through.
God bless each and every one of them.
To you and all the other twits who can’t see past the blinders on your eyes:
This article was not an invocation to vote for John McCain. It was one great American war hero talking about another great American war hero.
I am not voting for John McCain. I’m going to leave the top of my ballot blank.
But I will not sit here and read you low-lifes degrade the service of a great American hero.
Not without telling you what I think of you: self-centered, self-important, self-aggrandizing, selfish arrogant prigs. All of you.
Just because it is McCain was shot down and a POW vs Kerry finegeling purple hearts does not change the fact it is the same play. Do we forgive the thief because their victim is a scoundral?McCain had the exact same opportunity to slander US servicemen when he returned to the US, just like Kerry did. But he didn't do it, did he? Why not? Have any idea, twit? Or do you just rely on your own bumper-stickers for all your ideas?
Meanwhile, Obomber's roommate (for what - the last decade?) describes, again, how and why America sucks.
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