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New Haven, other cities face large cuts
Connpolitics.tv ^ | 05/08/08 | Puppage

Posted on 05/08/2008 12:11:48 PM PDT by Puppage

New Haven (WTNH) _ New Haven Mayor John DeStefano is expected to announce severe and sweeping cuts in city services this afternoon.

Because state revenue is declining so fast the governor struck a deal with the Democratic leadership in the general assembly not to open up the state budget. That leaves communities who need funding for early childhood reading programs, nursing homes and services are on their own.

New Haven’s mayor joined others earlier this week to express their anger.

“You’re going to see incidents and things happen over the coming year that are all going to come back to this moment,” Mayor DeStefano said. “These last couple of days when the General Assembly and the Governor had a chance to provide leadership and decided to take a walk on the people of Connecticut.”

DeStefano is not expected to be alone. No increase in aid from the state government to cities and towns means many city leaders are forecasting double-digit property tax increases.

The legislative session ended last night at midnight. Governor Rell did not give her annual close. Rather, lawmakers went home, some feeling defeated.

Mayor DeStefano makes his announcement at approximately 3:30 p.m. We expect to carry it live on wtnh.com.


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What? Economic trouble in Sanctuary City? What are the chances?

Tough luck, New Haven. You made your bed.....

1 posted on 05/08/2008 12:11:48 PM PDT by Puppage
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To: Puppage

Maybe they can get the illegals to make up the tax shortfall. The Left claims the illegals pay taxes.... put up or shut up time...


2 posted on 05/08/2008 12:14:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Puppage
My family lives in CT - we left in 1970 and never looked back. But I do think this is something that's going to go on all over the country. Look at what happened in Vallejo.

Carolyn

3 posted on 05/08/2008 12:18:19 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Puppage

I first read it as “facing large cats”..


4 posted on 05/08/2008 12:18:37 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: Puppage
New Haven reached the demographic tipping point for the first time about a year ago (more black residents than white residents).

At the current rate the city will be about one-third black, one-third hispanic and a quarter white by sometime in the next two years.

Basically, the "Sanctuary City" policy has pushed New haven past the point of no return.

Someone could do a study of demographic tipping points in every long-established Northeastern/Mid-Atlantic/Old Northwest city with a population of over 100,000 - it would demonstrate that every one of those cities, with the sole exception of New York City, has dramatically lost population since 1950, and that this demographic shift has triggered an almost inescapable fiscal pathology.

5 posted on 05/08/2008 12:25:35 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

The only good thing about New Haven is Toad’s Place. And, perhaps Rudys.


6 posted on 05/08/2008 12:27:46 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

As puppage has said.New Haven is a Known sanctuary city with thousands of illegal aliens residing there sucking off the taxpayers.

New Haven’s problem is they have chased most if not all of the profitable businesses away because of their high taxes.

That leaves the Non Profit institutions and the Parasitical criminal aliens in charge.

The poor working people are leaving while they still can.


7 posted on 05/08/2008 12:29:19 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: CDHart
Look at what happened in Vallejo.

Well, Vallejo's problem is that they pay their city employees a ridiculous amount of money - a preposterously bloated municipal payroll.

The median household income in New Haven is $29,000. In Vallejo it is $47,000.

New Haven is a poor town, Vallejo isn't poor - just incredibly mismanaged.

8 posted on 05/08/2008 12:29:24 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Puppage

I like Louis’ too.


9 posted on 05/08/2008 12:31:32 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Puppage; nutmeg

Other than Pepe’s Pizzeria on Wooster, or Yale (if you have friends and family who study/teach there, that is), the is NO reason to visit New Heinous. I will admit, however, that it has improved over the past 10 years thanks to considerable investment from the University. Bridgeport is still far worse.


10 posted on 05/08/2008 12:34:51 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: wideawake

I thought of them after I hit the post button.
Birth of the hamburger, so they say.


11 posted on 05/08/2008 12:35:12 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Clemenza
Bridgeport is still far worse.

Bridgeport is indeed a complete hole.

12 posted on 05/08/2008 12:37:44 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Bridgeport is indeed a complete hole

Agreed. Bigger city, bigger hole.

13 posted on 05/08/2008 12:39:31 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: wideawake
A key indicator is the AGE distribution of the white population. Even 15 years ago (when I had close friends at Yale who were sociology majors) the bulk of the white population of New Haven tended toward the far right side of the age bell curve. As the old folks (particularly the Italian population) have died off, they have been replaced by younger hispanic and carribbean immigrants.

What helped New York more than anything else was that the WEALTHY never fled the city. For all the talk about the importance of the "white working/middle class" such folks were unable to stem the tide of decline, even if they "stood their ground" in their respective neighborhoods. Newark, Baltimore, and Philly lost much of their wealthy population beginning in the 1920s, leaving only working class whites, and growing populations of poor/working class minorities. Without the haute bourgeosie, these cities could not survive.

Boston, like New York and (to a lesser extent) Chicago maintained their well educated and wealthier populations, even as the white working class declined, whether through flight or natural attrition (to the cemetaries). This is the main reason why these three cities are in much better shape than Detroit, Philly, New Haven, Newark, etc.

14 posted on 05/08/2008 12:41:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: wideawake
A key indicator is the AGE distribution of the white population. Even 15 years ago (when I had close friends at Yale who were sociology majors) the bulk of the white population of New Haven tended toward the far right side of the age bell curve. As the old folks (particularly the Italian population) have died off, they have been replaced by younger hispanic and carribbean immigrants.

What helped New York more than anything else was that the WEALTHY never fled the city. For all the talk about the importance of the "white working/middle class" such folks were unable to stem the tide of decline, even if they "stood their ground" in their respective neighborhoods. Newark, Baltimore, and Philly lost much of their wealthy population beginning in the 1920s, leaving only working class whites, and growing populations of poor/working class minorities. Without the haute bourgeosie, these cities could not survive.

Boston, like New York and (to a lesser extent) Chicago maintained their well educated and wealthier populations, even as the white working class declined, whether through flight or natural attrition (to the cemetaries). This is the main reason why these three cities are in much better shape than Detroit, Philly, New Haven, Newark, etc.

BTW: Whites are indeed a minority in NYC, and have been since the mid-1980s. However, they still have a significant plurality, and much of the growth in the nonwhite population has come in the form of Asian immigrants, to say nothing of Latinos.

15 posted on 05/08/2008 12:42:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: puppypusher
The poor working people are leaving while they still can.

And ruining every town they move into, by bringing the city into suburbia.

16 posted on 05/08/2008 12:43:23 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza

There are a few places on the east side of the harbor. Anthony’s Oceanview and Amarante’s. The whole east side tried more than once to succeed from the city but couldn’t do it on their own. The city desperately wants the tax base this east side provides.


17 posted on 05/08/2008 12:49:01 PM PDT by George from New England (now from north of Tampa Bay)
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To: Clemenza
Good analysis.

Whites are indeed a minority in NYC, and have been since the mid-1980s.

Of course - but not, and this is key, a minority in Manhattan.

56%.

And maybe 75% during the working day.

18 posted on 05/08/2008 12:50:52 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: puppypusher

Whatever the cuts, they will still fund the illegals, cause they want to grow at any cost.


19 posted on 05/08/2008 1:00:14 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Puppage

Get the popcorn and watch these hack politicians do the C.Y.A. dance!.....


20 posted on 05/08/2008 1:01:12 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: George from New England
There are a few places on the east side of the harbor. Anthony’s Oceanview and Amarante’s.

The French part of New Haven...Maurice Cove'

21 posted on 05/08/2008 1:01:23 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: wideawake
I like Louis’ too.

Affirmative ... great hamburgers. Just around the corner and up the street is one of the premier tobacconist anywhere The Owl Shop. Use to smoke their x-4 pipe tobacco, not to edgy ... great aroma.

22 posted on 05/08/2008 1:01:41 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: wideawake
2006 was also the first year since 1961 that more white babies were born in Manhattan than any other race.

Still wish the twentysomethings from California/Virginia/Ohio, etc. would stop turning the place into Mallhattan (and turning much of Brooklyn into smugland).

23 posted on 05/08/2008 1:06:31 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Puppage
The only good thing about New Haven is Toad’s Place. And, perhaps Rudys.

There are many wonderful things about New Haven. It's a great town--with a lousy mayor.

24 posted on 05/08/2008 1:15:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

It used to be a great place, no longer IMHO. When they did away with the York Square Cinema, Yale Co-Op and a few others, there was never a reason to go down there.


25 posted on 05/08/2008 1:17:38 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: George from New England
The whole east side tried more than once to succeed from the city but couldn’t do it on their own. The city desperately wants the tax base this east side provides.

The east of New Haven, bordering on East Haven is an absolute gem. Beaches parks, the same middle class white families for generations, good schools, and the sole Republican alderman. Of course on Halloween all the Fair Haven riff-raff invade with their greedy fat children who try and grab all your candy. No one in the neighborhood opens their doors after the sun sets on Halloween. Let them get candy in their own ghetto.

26 posted on 05/08/2008 1:20:21 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Puppage
The French part of New Haven...Maurice Cove'

Morris Cove. Not French, but lots of Italians, and almost no minorities.

27 posted on 05/08/2008 1:23:46 PM PDT by montag813
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To: George from New England
Anthony’s Oceanview and Amarante’s.

Those are just for catered affairs. Any italian dinner places you like?

28 posted on 05/08/2008 1:27:51 PM PDT by montag813
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Morris Cove. Not French

Maurice Cove'...an affectinate joke.

Like East Haven being called East Heaven. West Haven being called Waste Haven (ok, not so affectionate, but you get the idea)

But, wadda ya want...I was raised in Branford.

29 posted on 05/08/2008 1:27:55 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: BluH2o; All

Hey - posts like yours make me wonder how many Yalies are on FR. Might be nice to have a ping list!
FrPR
SY 96


30 posted on 05/08/2008 1:28:10 PM PDT by FrPR
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To: Puppage
Maurice Cove'...an affectinate joke.

Haha! Thanks.

31 posted on 05/08/2008 1:28:44 PM PDT by montag813
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Any italian dinner places you like?

Tolli's has great pizza. Not to mention Foxon Park soda.

32 posted on 05/08/2008 1:29:18 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

He welcomed illegals. Now he needs money. How is he going to get money from Whites? Play a game of “poor me”, and the state will come running with money.


33 posted on 05/08/2008 1:30:14 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Puppage
Someone needs to tell New Haven and Bridgeport that "Help is on the way". President B. Hussein Osama-Obama gonna save us all; just hang in there until January 2009.
34 posted on 05/08/2008 1:31:01 PM PDT by no dems (The Democrats destroying each other gives me moments of pleasureable reflections.)
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Maurice Cove'...

A buddy & I used to live on Morgan Ave. Nice little place. They tore it down & built an out of place behemoth house.

35 posted on 05/08/2008 1:32:19 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Don’t cry for me ...I live in Ct..

The Dems and Republican governor cranked up spending so high, a mild slowdown is creating a huge deficit.

A pox on Ct. I can’t wait to flee. Hope I don’t get killed in a home invasion first.


36 posted on 05/08/2008 1:32:36 PM PDT by y6162
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To: no dems
Someone needs to tell New Haven and Bridgeport that "Help is on the way". President B. Hussein Osama-Obama gonna save us all; just hang in there until January 2009.

CHANGE Ping!

37 posted on 05/08/2008 1:32:57 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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The only good thing about New Haven is Toad’s Place. And, perhaps Rudys.

Hey?! What about Sally's and the whole Wooster St. gang? Are they gone?

It's been a long time away for me. I'll agree on Toad’s Place, and don't know what Rudys is.

FMCDH(BITS)

38 posted on 05/08/2008 1:57:00 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: nothingnew

Frank Pepe and Sally’s are still there. There is an Italian bakery on Wooster that is OK. I believe those are the only three businesses I saw open last time I was there (and all were doing great business).


39 posted on 05/08/2008 2:00:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: wideawake; Clemenza
In Chicago it also helps that the wealthy who live both in the city and the North Shore suburbs actually like the downtown Chicago and don't dread having to go there for social events as is the case with the wealthy in Detroit, Phillie, Cleveland.
40 posted on 05/08/2008 2:04:39 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Clemenza
I'm glad to know Pepe's and Sally's are still there.

Ever go to Toads Place (formerly known as Hungry Charlies), while you visited NH CT? Just curious.

FMCDH(BITS)

41 posted on 05/08/2008 2:09:13 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Borges
Michigan Avenue remains the nicest downtown shopping district of any American city.

The Main Liners occasionally go to Rittenhouse Square/Walnut Street Corridor, but they are not "of the city" and spend most of their time in Haverford, Bryn Mawr, etc., avoiding Center City as much as possible most of the time.

The contrast in Chicago between the tonier nabes (mostly on the north side) and the neer do well nabes on the west and south sides is considerable. It even extends to the level of police protection: I felt safer when I lived in Uptown (the poorest neighborhood on the north side) than I did when I lived in Hyde Park (wealthiest nabe on the south side).

42 posted on 05/08/2008 2:12:38 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza

People don’t realize just how far south Chicago goes. The southern most nabe along the lake that’s still Chicago is Hegewisch which may as well be in Alaska. South of that it’s Calumet City which may as well be Detroit. A lot of people on the North side not to mention the suburbs don’t know those areas exist.


43 posted on 05/08/2008 2:18:10 PM PDT by Borges
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To: nothingnew

Never been to Toad’s. I remember the Rolling Stones doing a surprise concert there when I was 12.


44 posted on 05/08/2008 2:18:10 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Borges
The reason is that much of the South Side was zoned for industry, something especially noticeable when you go down South Chicago Avenue towards the Indiana line. Kinda creepy to see these huge abandoned steel mills, punctuated here and there with abandoned row houses and taverns (often with Slavic names).

Even creepier is the fact that the apartment complex where Richard Speck killed those nurses is still there in Jeffrey Manor (then a middle class Jewish neighborhood, now the ghetto). Took a drive passed it about two years ago and I can see why it was so easy for him to break in (doors/windows at street level or facing a little park). I thought to myself that the convention tour groups NEVER make it down here!

Getting back to the subject at hand: Connecticut is alot like New Jersey in that, in aggregate, the population is the wealthiest in the US, but that you have these urban areas that were once industrial powerhouses, but are now a dumping ground for the poor, whether immigrant or native born. For Bridgeport/New Haven/Hartford see Newark/Camden/Trenton.

45 posted on 05/08/2008 2:24:17 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza

“The reason is that much of the South Side was zoned for industry, something especially noticeable when you go down South Chicago Avenue towards the Indiana line. Kinda creepy to see these huge abandoned steel mills, punctuated here and there with abandoned row houses and taverns (often with Slavic names).”

That area is slowly getting its share of luxury condos.


46 posted on 05/08/2008 2:27:51 PM PDT by Borges
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To: nothingnew
What about Sally's and the whole Wooster St. gang? Are they gone?

Nope, they're still there. I left them out....thanks for the correction.

47 posted on 05/08/2008 3:06:01 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Clemenza
Other than Pepe’s Pizzeria on Wooster, or Yale (if you have friends and family who study/teach there, that is), the is NO reason to visit New Heinous.

Is Toad's Place closed? When I was a kid and into college we used to head there to party. That was back when you wanted to go to New Haven.

They also have the "Peabody Museum of Natural History" which is nice, though small.

48 posted on 05/08/2008 4:13:16 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
Is Toad's Place closed?

They were shut down all last summer by the State Liquor Commission for repeated under age violations. They're back open now, though.

49 posted on 05/08/2008 5:11:30 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Clemenza
I remember the Rolling Stones doing a surprise concert there when I was 12.

I was there for that one. Just sittin' around drinking my beer. They just walked in and set up. A stopover between NYC and Boston gigs. Saw many a "big name" band there. A great venue for those of us who couldn't afford $50-100 tickets in the BIG venue. (Much more comfortable too)

FMCDH(BITS)

50 posted on 05/08/2008 7:10:21 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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