Posted on 05/06/2008 8:59:30 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
Any strategy that requires changing the views of a majority of Americans towards real conservatism will fail. You grandkids are going to live in a very different world, a very different USA than you did.
A former great freeper once said it all:
“Conservatism isn’t dead. It’s pissed off right now -— and that might be a good thing. “
Again, when no actual facts are presented, there can be no errors.
The entire piece consists of McManus' opinions on what he believes to be the private motivations of people he dislikes.
The speed with which you responded would almost certainly indicate that you DID NOT READ THE SPEECH!
If I was unable to read that article in 8 minutes, I would be embarrassed of myself.
Clever boy, you imported it into Word and searched for “Birch,” didn’t you. And that’s ALL you had to see.
Is it a "fact" that I imported it into Word? Or is it just an unsupported supposition about someone else that you can't prove?
(1) His bio at the end of the article clearly states that he's a Bircher.
(2) If you really wanted to search the article, you could just search it in IE - you wouldn't need to import it into Word to search it.
Look, where we failed was to “nationalize” the whole world when we had the opportunity, strength, and the b@!!$ to do it, just like Patton wanted to.
There is no doubt that open market, free societies are the most productive, primarily the most peaceful and most happy societies, yet, with those freedoms come great responsibilities. We are attacked daily by envious people that have to cheat, steal, and murder to match our military and economic might (and the reasons we let them will probably be the end of the country).
I don't disagree with some of the instances the author speaks of, but I find extremely hard to not pursue the filth that is jihad to the ends of the earth to eradicate such a disgusting political project (which the same argument can be made that it is neoconservative for its exportation of “death”). Has the US overstepped some of its bounds at times, oh, no doubt about it. Has it done such for the name of “national security.” Absolutely. Empire of Democracy and Debt is our current state, but we missed the boat as it set sail 50 years ago. Should have made the whole globe the Sovereign USA, and things might be a lot less complicated. So do I believe in globalism, sure, from the stand point of “Every person is endowed with certain inalieanable rights, something the speach and author fail to point out and something our country fails to understand in terms of history and conquests and empires. Once you're the biggest fish in the pond, you end up with parasites and other infections that not only bleed you from the inside, but the outside. Pleanty of solutions that have to take into account that we're not the only fish in the pond and each and every person in the world is in deed, linked together in some geopolitical economic way. That's realism, not isolationism.”
Dick, your gift for originality is unbounded.
Now, we've nominated McCain as our standard bearer! McCain who supports open borders and ongoing war in Iraq. McCain wants to cut "fraud, waste and abuse" but doesn't have a plan for Social Security, and certainly not a Conservative plan, such as abolishment.
So, I'm not giving up but I'm lowering my expectations. I don't think America can be turned from Socialism. America is being continuously invaded by immigrants who are CLUELESS about what the USA was founded to be.
My belief is a few states are the most we can hope to reclaim, and that's where my thinking is right now. At some point, maybe that's not even possible.
For guns to have any political meaning they need to be weilded by large bodies of like-minded men. We are not a nation of such, and we are certainly not growing a generation of them. The only stern minded patriots I know are 40+, mostly vets.
Yeah, Eisenhower was a Russian spy!
So was Roosevelt, Lincoln, and that Jefferson guy!
Lighten up, skippy, I did not call anyone a name until just now.
It’s bogus.
...exceeded only by YOURS.
I will say it here and herby throw down the gauntlet to any potential flamers: the best Americans are critically-thinking Americans who carefully, objectively and deliberately assess ALL of the factors relevant to any issue.
I know nothing of John F. McManus. I will neither agree nor disagree with his personal ideals for that reason. But I have always firmly believed that the diligent and conscientious American is morally and ethically constrained to consider all shades of opinion and all sources of data in order to form the most informed conclusion.
That requires effort. The average American hates that word these days. See what we conservatives are up against?
Finally, Dick's preparation for the inevitable haranguing by people who vehemently disagree with his opinion underscores a very sad point: As a general rule, people who abandon reasoned debate and resort to slander and name-calling have usually failed to think critically about an issue and in the end practice the same tactics that the liberals do: name-calling and insults. Such a practice is unbecoming of a true conservative- whose vales speak for themselves.
Except NONE of the people accused of being neocons ‘follow’ it’s founders’ path. Each mentioned in the article and each mentioned in previous neocon rants is a hodgepodge of conservative (and some liberal) strains.
As if the birchers never bring up the jews and their connection to “neoconservatism”.
On the one hand I’m amused by the frail links this author uses to paint todays republicans as followers of the Irving Kristol, yet has no problem having both feet firmly planted under the tutelage of Robert Welch. ROFL
That’s REALLY the best you can offer???
Gunner, you — and one or two others — have partly restored my faith in those who frequent FR.
Thanks. This asbestos suit is HEAVY and hot.
Great stuff, Dick.
Here are the sad facts of life:
(1) The Great War Against Communism - which lasted from 1917-1991 - is over.
The John Birch Society did nothing of any value during that war, despite its professed purpose of fighting Communism.
(2) The current enemy trying to bring down the West is militant Islam.
The John Birch Society is doing nothing of any value to fight it, and is actually trying to undermine the war against militant Islam.
It seems the only purpose of the John Birch Society is to defame the character and distort the thinking of the people who want to win.
(3) The John Birch Society and the Constitution Party are nothing but ideological talkshops for tiny groups of people who never accomplish any corporate actions.
What's most amusing about the JBS is that they accuse others of Trotskyism when they are a perfect mirror image of the Trotskyites: a small cabal of whiners bypassed by historical events that spend most of their time arguing over who has the most absolutely pure form of their ideology.
I stumbled onto this thread thinking it might be of interest. Oh well. If this is what you truly believe, your whole group can hold your collective breaths and become smurfs waiting on my answer, because there is no intelligent answer when the question stems from a paranoid delusion.
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