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ID law could depress black turnout in Ind.
POLITICO ^ | 5/3/08 | BEN ADLER

Posted on 05/03/2008 8:05:04 PM PDT by ricks_place

Experts say Supreme Court ruling upholding law could disenfranchise minorities, youth and the elderly.

Experts say African-American voters — a key constituency of Barack Obama in the primaries thus far — might be disproportionately affected in Tuesday’s Indiana primary by the Supreme Court’s recent decision to uphold the state’s voter identification requirement.

Studies show that African-Americans are especially likely not to have the identification necessary to vote on Tuesday. Several other groups, notably elderly voters, disabled voters and young voters, are also more likely than the general population not to have the necessary identification.

“The research is pretty clear that in Indiana this will disproportionately affect certain groups and African-Americans are certainly one of them,” said Julia Vaughn, Indiana policy director for Common Cause. Common Cause and verifiedvoting.org issued a report on May 1 detailing which groups are least likely to have a government-issued photo identification card that meets the Indiana law’s requirements.

As the report noted, a University of Washington study found that 28 percent of African-Americans in the state of Indiana do not have the proper ID to vote. African-Americans make up 9 percent of the voting population in Indiana.

By comparison, slightly less than 20 percent of Indianans over 70 do not have the necessary ID, according to the same study. Older voters tend to favor Hillary Rodham Clinton, while Obama has strong support among youth. According to a recent Rock the Vote poll, 19 percent of people under 30 do not have a valid photo identification with their current address as the Indiana law requires. Since young people move frequently they are less likely to have identification cards with their current address.

And young African-Americans are especially likely to not meet the requirements.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: blackvote; in2008; photoid; voterid
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Death will finally be an impediment to voting Democrat!
1 posted on 05/03/2008 8:05:05 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

I see BHO is lining up his excuses in advance...


2 posted on 05/03/2008 8:05:50 PM PDT by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 8, 2008.)
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To: ricks_place
Experts translate to Democrat operatives.

vaudine

3 posted on 05/03/2008 8:06:26 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: ricks_place
"Women, Minorities, Children, and Illegal Aliens Hardest Hit. Experts Agree: Bushes Fault"

L

4 posted on 05/03/2008 8:06:41 PM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: ricks_place

If free healthcare required a picture ID, everybody would find a way to get one....


5 posted on 05/03/2008 8:07:51 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ricks_place
Egregious misuse of the word “disenfranchise”.
6 posted on 05/03/2008 8:09:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

You are exactly right.


7 posted on 05/03/2008 8:09:45 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: ricks_place

I don’t believe this.

I work with a food pantry that serves the disadvantaged, many, perhaps most, of them minorities.

In order to qualify for virtually any charitable help, public or private, identification for everyone in the household is required. Otherwise, the unethical can pad the number of people in the household — and, believe me, they will.

These folks have state-issued photo IDs. If they’re too unmotivated to get one, they have no business voting.


8 posted on 05/03/2008 8:09:50 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: ricks_place
Julia Vaughn, Indiana policy director for Common Cause lies like a rug.

If there were any truth to her claims why did it turn out that the Democrats couldn't produce a single individual who did not have appropriate identification?

This particular group, Common Cause, was the inspiration for Herr McCain's idea for campaign finance reform. He must have mush for brains to have ever listened to that bunch of fascist pigs.

9 posted on 05/03/2008 8:10:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ricks_place
Studies show that African-Americans are especially likely not to have the identification necessary to vote on Tuesday.

So the majority of blacks have no ID of any kind? Good Lord, the propagandists aren't even trying to stay rational anymore.

10 posted on 05/03/2008 8:12:01 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: ricks_place

Death will finally be an impediment to voting Democrat!

“Not in California!”


11 posted on 05/03/2008 8:13:19 PM PDT by ALinArleta (One shot! One kill!)
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To: ALinArleta

How can showing an ID disenfrancise anyone?


12 posted on 05/03/2008 8:14:29 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: ricks_place
Are we to assume that "white and semi-white illegal aliens" have driver's licenses but black Americans do NOT?

Inquiring minds want to know.

13 posted on 05/03/2008 8:16:15 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Teacher317
So the majority of blacks have no ID of any kind?

An ID of just any kind will not do; it must be a Government issued photo ID.

14 posted on 05/03/2008 8:16:49 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

This is typical scare tactic BS. When are minorities going to wake up & see that libs NEED for them to feel depressed, oppressed, and scared to question their handlers. Libs power comes from maintaining an underclass.


15 posted on 05/03/2008 8:19:52 PM PDT by Magnolia
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To: ricks_place
Experts say...

...might be...

Studies show...

...will disproportionately affect certain groups...

Nope, no attempt to create news. No bias here. /sarc
16 posted on 05/03/2008 8:19:56 PM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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Are mugshots considered a state identification?


17 posted on 05/03/2008 8:21:12 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: ricks_place

At the same time, I bet any of these LOSERS have no problem at all producing an ID for renting a movie or buying a beer at a bar.


18 posted on 05/03/2008 8:21:26 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: ricks_place

what a crock! YOung African-Americans don’t have a driver’s license ? If they move and don’t keep up the address they are in violation of the law, anyway.


19 posted on 05/03/2008 8:23:40 PM PDT by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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To: ricks_place

The law could discriminate against dead people, non-citizens, and multiple voters


20 posted on 05/03/2008 8:24:55 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: ricks_place

How do people get by in society without having ID? You can’t really use a credit card, get a job, enter a bar, and many other things I’m sure. Even if you are old don’t you have to have some ID to get social security checks?


21 posted on 05/03/2008 8:24:56 PM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"If free healthcare required a picture ID, everybody would find a way to get one...."

Your post provides a profound point of which I had not given any thought. It bears repeating.

I don't guess we would be hearing any disenfranchisement complaints, now would we????

22 posted on 05/03/2008 8:25:08 PM PDT by del4hope (Hoping for a conservative comeback in the GOP)
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To: ricks_place
Studies show that African-Americans are especially likely not to have the identification necessary to vote on Tuesday

Part of the reason they lost this one in court is because they could not produce a single victim. The only study they did here was staring into bong smoke.

23 posted on 05/03/2008 8:25:58 PM PDT by Nateman (You only need to fool half of them once every two years.)
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To: ricks_place

I’m wondering how so many people without a valid photo ID managed to register themselves to vote in the first place.


24 posted on 05/03/2008 8:26:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ricks_place
An ID of just any kind will not do; it must be a government issued photo ID.

Hence, the problem Dems are whining about: there are people out there the Dems would dearly love to get to the voting booths who are reluctant to show or obtain a government ID. Unfortunately, they are illegal, wanted on warrant, ex-cons who have lost their privileges, etc., etc.

25 posted on 05/03/2008 8:27:59 PM PDT by PLK
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To: politicalwit
Are mugshots considered a state identification?

maybe. I've seen a guy use his parole papers as identification before.

26 posted on 05/03/2008 8:31:00 PM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: ricks_place

Bump


27 posted on 05/03/2008 8:31:18 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: ricks_place

28 posted on 05/03/2008 8:32:09 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Knocking down doors to get one.


29 posted on 05/03/2008 8:38:05 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I heard it on the grapevine and saw it in the paper, so it must be true.)
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To: MovementConservative

Just try to open a bank account, write a check or get into a age-restricted building/event without one.

Nobody has ANY excuse for not having an ID, especially when friends/relatives/community programs can help you if you are *somehow* unable to do it yourself.

Any state DMV can issue a Non-Driver Photo ID Card.

Just another liberal fraud tactic.


30 posted on 05/03/2008 8:38:50 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: Salamander

I hope Indiana leads the way for other states to require photo IDs.
The voting system needs a big overhauling of honesty.

Disenfranchisement my butt


31 posted on 05/03/2008 8:42:58 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I heard it on the grapevine and saw it in the paper, so it must be true.)
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“19 percent of people under 30 do not have a valid photo identification with their current address as the Indiana law requires. Since young people move frequently they are less likely to have identification cards with their current address”

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Address doesn’t matter. As long as the name, the photo, match up and the signature is reasonably close the address doesn’t matter.

I voted early and showed my US Passport. No address given on a passport.


32 posted on 05/03/2008 8:48:04 PM PDT by Sir Hailstone (Just Another Bitter Republican Clinging to my Glock 19)
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To: ricks_place

I don’t believe this is true, but even so, Hillary won’t be complaining.


33 posted on 05/03/2008 8:51:43 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: TribalPrincess2U

*Every* state should have this requirement.
Voting is privilege, not a “right”.
I have no problem showing my ID to poll workers...probably because I’m exactly who I say I am, there to vote legally and only *once*.

The only people who will “benefit” from ‘no-ID-required’ voting laws are those who are attempting to circumvent the ID/legality issues.


34 posted on 05/03/2008 8:52:34 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: ricks_place
So basically here is what is needed:

http://www.in.gov/sos/photoid/

Public Law 109-2005 requires Indiana residents to present a government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot at the polls on Election Day.

Your photo ID must meet 4 criteria to be acceptable for voting purposes. It Must:

1. Display your photo

2. Display your name, and the name must conform to your voter registration record. Conform does not mean identical. Below are examples of names that would conform to "Robert John Crew"

3. Display an expiration date and either be current or have expired sometime after the date of the last General Election (November 7, 2006)

4. Be issued by the State of Indiana or the U.S. government

In most cases, an Indiana driver license, Indiana photo ID card, Military ID or U.S. Passport is sufficient.

A student ID from an Indiana State school may only be used if it meets all of the 4 criteria specified above. A student ID from a private institution may not be used for voting purposes. For more Information for College Students click here.

If you are unable or unwilling to present ID meeting these requirements, you may cast a provisional ballot. If you cast a provisional ballot, you have until noon 10 days after the election to follow up with the county election board and either provide the necessary documentation or affirm one of the law’s exemptions applies to you.

35 posted on 05/03/2008 9:00:21 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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House Speaker Decries Supreme Court Decision on Voter IDs

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) called the Supreme Court’s decision on Indiana’s voter identification law “undemocratic.” The law requires voters to show a valid photo ID in order to obtain a ballot.

“The Court’s decision places obstacles to the fundamental rights of the people, especially the ignorant, the undocumented, and the inanimate—the very people whose circumstances tend to impede their ability to register or cast a vote,” Pelosi complained. “The right to vote is a foundation of our democracy. Everyone who wishes to vote must be allowed to do so.”

Pelosi predicted that the ruling would “reduce 2008 voter turnout and permit a narrowly defined clique of established citizens to determine the outcome, resulting in another four years of Republican misrule.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


36 posted on 05/03/2008 9:02:01 PM PDT by John Semmens
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Pelosi predicted that the ruling would “reduce 2008 voter turnout and permit a narrowly defined clique of established citizens to determine the outcome, resulting in another four years of Republican misrule.”
Ah, come on Nancy...just think of this narrowly defined clique as Super Delegates!
37 posted on 05/03/2008 9:10:50 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: ricks_place

Democrat voters have been disenfranchised already. Florida and Michigan voters don’t count at all and the nomination will be decided by the so called super delegates. What a srewed up party


38 posted on 05/03/2008 9:22:44 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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How many thousand times will democrat leaders repeatedly call black “voters” STUPID, INEPT, and HELPLESS (in one way or another, such as in this case) before more blacks realize what their liberal “Masta” is really doing to them???

It is 2008! Let them leave the Plantation, already!!!!


39 posted on 05/03/2008 9:32:57 PM PDT by JustTheTruth (Say "NO!" to Socialism in America! It drags down every country that tries it! Avoid insanity!)
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To: ricks_place
And young African-Americans are especially likely to not meet the requirements.

And why, Mr. Moonbat, would you declare that young African-Americans be likely not to meet the requirements? Because they've not bright enough? Too lazy? Not ambitious enough? Shiftless? Indifferent? Illiterate? Cowardly?....

Ah, the subtle bigotry of the Left.

40 posted on 05/03/2008 9:35:34 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: ricks_place

I’ve had ID since I was 15. Why can’t others?


41 posted on 05/03/2008 9:53:31 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
If free healthcare required a picture ID, everybody would find a way to get one....

And Communist Cause would be making sure of it!

42 posted on 05/03/2008 10:26:04 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: ricks_place
Garbage. How hard can it really be to obtain photo ID in this country?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

43 posted on 05/03/2008 10:36:18 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"If free healthcare required a picture ID, everybody would find a way to get one...."

EXCELLENT POINT!

(also...excellent sceen name!)
44 posted on 05/03/2008 10:42:52 PM PDT by FrankR (OBAMA is the VAST WRIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY...)
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To: ricks_place
Studies show that African-Americans are especially likely not to have the identification necessary to vote on Tuesday.

Oh? How do any/all of these purportedly disenfranchised individuals manage to cash and/or deposit checks, then?

How do they manage to obtain prescription medications?

Most glaringly obvious query: how do they even manage to drive...?

I call crapola. ;)

45 posted on 05/04/2008 1:18:14 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: ricks_place

Simple get an ID. There is no reason a person who is legally here cannot get one.

Im angry because my grandparents lifelong conservative republicans vote democrat since they died in Chicago.

Dead vote Democrat in Chicago.

(by the way my grandparents worked hard for Ronald Reagan in 1980 and an invite to the innauguration was the inspiration for my grandmother to recover from a massive heart attack 2 days after the election.)


46 posted on 05/04/2008 1:32:03 AM PDT by mccainvoterinobamaville
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Something that people seem to forget is that not only is voting a right, it's a responsibility. If someone wants to vote, then they should be required to prove that they're eligible to do so, with a state issued ID. The funny thing that I can't get over is that these so called "civil rights groups" that are so concerned about people being "disenfranchised" aren't concerned enough to set up drives to get people the free voter ID that the states that have mandated this provide. Nope, they only bring cases to courts, over and over again. They fight it tooth and nail, with the obvious point being to avoid the need to prove one is a legal voter. I wonder what the underlying reason for that could be?

Mark

47 posted on 05/04/2008 2:24:46 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: ricks_place
By comparison, slightly less than 20 percent of Indianans over 70 do not have the necessary ID, according to the same study. Older voters tend to favor Hillary Rodham Clinton, while Obama has strong support among youth. According to a recent Rock the Vote poll, 19 percent of people under 30 do not have a valid photo identification with their current address as the Indiana law requires. Since young people move frequently they are less likely to have identification cards with their current address.

According to the website of the Indiana BMV, "The holder of a driver license, identification card or learner permit must notify the BMV of a change of address and apply for an amended license, identification card or permit within 30 days of the address change." Are these 19 percent people who have moved within the last 30 days of are they in violation of the law? I am a Hoosier and have lived here in Indiana my whole life. I haven't seen people from Indiana referred to as "Indianans." Maybe the writers of this article should have done their homework. If you have to present ID when exercising your 2nd or 21st Amendment rights, why should voting be any different?

48 posted on 05/04/2008 5:38:42 AM PDT by darthxenu (Give peace a chance - end jihad now.)
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To: politicalwit
Are mugshots considered a state identification?

Best line of the week.

49 posted on 05/04/2008 6:28:34 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: ricks_place

I venture that no matter what the numbers say, those without state approved ID’s are not very likely to vote anyway. These are the types of people who live on the fringes of society. They are wanted by the law, scam social services, father dozens of kids and have a huge child support bill - whatever. They are not very likely to perform a civic action unless they are ordered to do so by a court of law.


50 posted on 05/04/2008 6:31:02 AM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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