Posted on 04/29/2008 4:32:30 PM PDT by kellynla
It would suit me just fine if everybody winds up on the no-fly list.
I'm not suggesting anything should be done about it because I don't believe any effective security is possible. So my suggestion would be for the TSA, the airline industry, and the public to just stop pretending.
Yes, there is evidence that large scale coordinated attacks have been thwarted both here and abroad, but the actions that stopped them did not occur anywhere near the security checkpoints.
Yup. And in most cases, the only effective countermeasure was vigilant passengers.
People forget that the only aircraft that did not reach it's target on 9/11/01 was thwarted by the passengers themselves. Ordinary Americans acting in an extraordinary way.
The only thing that would have thwarted the 9/11 attacks completely would have been to have an armed flight crew and/or armed passengers. Of course, that is out of the question because it doesn't give more power to FedGov. All actions must increase federal power or they will not be considered. Doesn't matter if Repubs or Dems are in charge, they are all statists.
Pay attention. These are real air marshals who are being denied, not fake ones. If it was fake air marshals who were being kicked off of flights it wouldn't be a problem.
“Wait one ... I doubt we’re talking about John Jones or Fred Smith here. I know it is not PC, but an Air Marshal named Abdul of Ahmed raises a red flag for me. Imagine the agent names that are likely to coincidentally match those to be found on the list. Yeah, the problem is whacked but this does raise other questions.”
Like why are so many air marshals named Mohamed?
Pay attention. Fake air marshals wouldn't be using names likely to get them kicked off in the first place, so why would you kick off a real air marshal because of a name?
To give you an example, in this country we have a large community of Iranians who fled here to excape the new Muslim regime in '79, and they are loyal to America. They know what Muslim extremism does and they don't like it, they are very unlikely to be terrorists. Do we deny them jobs just because of their names?
I said it wasn’t PC but we do have the example of Sgt. Asan Akbar to consider.
Yes, sad case. How many frag incidents did we have in Vietnam? How many of the perpetrators has Muslim names?
Because they are retarded government a-holes. BTW you are the only one on this thread who is talking about “fake air marshals”. This article isn't about “fake air marshals”, so drop it already.
Read everything Bruce Schneier has on the issue. He divides security into actual and perceived. While he has a lot of criticism of the perceived security we have at the airport, he does say that sometimes perceived security has a use.
Again you are missing the point.
Jobs, no. Air marshal jobs, yes. Giving Arabs or Iranians jobs as air marshals is just stupid and asking for trouble. If the air marshal looks like a Muslim terrorist is it really going to surprise you if ordinary passengers and crew take exception to him waving a gun around on a plane? Looking like a Muslim terrorist would be a distinct disadvantage for an air marshal.
Why? In general the Iranians here are more pro-American and against Muslim fundamentalists than most Americans. They were pro-American under the Shaw, have already been hurt by the fundies and America welcomed them when the fled.
Looking like a Muslim terrorist would be a distinct disadvantage for an air marshal.
Or an advantage, as the real terrorists wouldn't peg him as an air marshal, and probably pretty much ignore him while trying to take over the plane.
If an Arab or Persian pulls a gun on someone in a plane, passengers might just mistake him for a hijacker and gang tackle him. Thats not an advantage.
If he pulls a gun it will be because others already pulled guns and claimed they're taking over the airplane. What, do you think air marshals are just in the habit of randomly waving their guns around in the cabin?
So you think it impossible for someone to mistake an Arab air marshal for a terrorist? I don’t, and for that reason I think it’s stupid to hire them as air marshals.
So you think it impossible for someone to mistake a white or black air marshal for a terrorist?
“So you think it impossible for someone to mistake a white or black air marshal for a terrorist?”
Not impossible, but certainly less likely. I guess you haven’t noticed that terrorists these days are about 99 percent Arab Muslim.
Have you seen an Iranian recently? They don’t all look like Ahmanutjob.
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