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Father loses custody of son over lemonade
WZZM 13 Website ^ | 4-28-08 | Brian Dickerson

Posted on 04/28/2008 7:58:13 AM PDT by mombyprofession

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To: wideawake

Once while getting my muffler fixed I meet the guy who started Mike’s Hard Lemonade, he was preoccupied with his lap top mostly, seemed kinda of a stuffy, smarter than thou type, but I did get in a truth of alcohol, no matter what color, flavor or carbonated, it’s still just poison to the body.


41 posted on 04/28/2008 8:46:07 AM PDT by Son House (God Enlightened me through Charles Gibson, the top Income Tax Rate Should be 15% too!)
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To: untrained skeptic
it was probably the fear of a lawsuit that caused the officer, people at the park, and CPS to handle things the way they did.

That's the problem in America today. Everyone is afraid of lawyers. They should be afraid of me.

42 posted on 04/28/2008 8:46:17 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I agree, the name is a hint, but in this day and age, where words often don’t mean what they used to mean, you can’t be sure. And a lot of these “alcopops” are deliberately colored and packaged to look like soda pop. I’m a non-drinker, and when I first saw a six pack of Mike’s Hard Lemonade on the shelf, I wondered if it was alcoholic, but I certainly wasn’t sure.


43 posted on 04/28/2008 8:46:30 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Looks a lot like a soda.

When you go to a supermarket or a convenience store you have to look hard to find soda packaged in a glass bottle with a beer style metal twist cap.

That's because 99% of soda sold in the US comes in a 20 oz. plastic bottle with a short neck and a white plastic twist cap, not a 12 oz glass bottle with a long neck and a metal twist cap. And 100% of the soda sold at ballparks comes either in a plastic bottle of the kind I've just described, or a plastic cup with a lid and a straw.

So, it doesn't look like a soda at all.

Again, he made an honest mistake, but it is not deceptive packaging at all.

44 posted on 04/28/2008 8:47:06 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
When you go to a supermarket or a convenience store you have to look hard to find soda packaged in a glass bottle with a beer style metal twist cap.

www.jonessoda.com

45 posted on 04/28/2008 8:49:46 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: wideawake; lady lawyer; ktscarlett66
It’s bottled to look like a soft drink.

It is bottled in a beer bottle.

No. It is bottled in a lemonade bottle.

Clear beer bottles have yellow, not grey, liquid in them.


46 posted on 04/28/2008 8:53:50 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: wideawake
So, it doesn't look like a soda at all.

So you say.

47 posted on 04/28/2008 8:58:01 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (There was once consensus that the world was flat.)
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To: absolootezer0
removing of a child from an upstanding family over something like this is abduction.

Neither of us know whether or not this actually is an "upstanding family." And certainly the city workers on the scene had no way of ascertaining that.

CPS, the cop that recommended it and the judge that signed off on it should be facing charges.

What charges should they eb facing? On what evidence?

this is pure and simple abuse of the system. a short interview with the family should have sufficed.

Short interviews have far too often resulted in dead children.

The case of Nixmary Brown is a famous example.

and don’t tell me there’s little leeway in the law. the decision is based on recommendation of CPS and police.

There is very little leeway, so I will tell you that fact.

CPS and the police, once an incident is reported, cannot say they neglected to follow up because they "had a good feeling" about the situation. There has to be a determination - and the determination has to be made on evidence.

if it was this bad, what’s the father being charged with? how much jail time is he facing?

It seems that I was not clear.

It is entirely possible for a parent to have done nothing that creates criminal liability while still being judged an unfit parent. A parent who has a severe illness that impairs their ability to care adequately for a child, for example. A parent whose job requires them to spend long periods of time away from their child, combined with the unreliability of alternative child care arrangements (babysitter fails to show up on numerous occasions, the parent's sister neglects the niece she promised to care for while the parent was working). And so on.

48 posted on 04/28/2008 8:59:04 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
but it is not deceptive packaging at all.

There are whole bunch of do-gooders that disagree with you.

49 posted on 04/28/2008 9:00:32 AM PDT by razorback-bert (If yer gunna regret this in the mornin, we kin sleep til afternoon.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

The bottle looks like lemonade to me. I would have guessed that “hard” meant....stronger, tarter flavor. (less sugar, more lemon)

It needs to spelled out right on the front label, if it is an adult beverage!


50 posted on 04/28/2008 9:02:33 AM PDT by kactus
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To: iowamark
" This guy has a Phd and he has never heard of hard lemonade?"

Maybe as an Archeology professor, he spends his time on learning more important things.

51 posted on 04/28/2008 9:02:55 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
What percentage of the US soft drink market does Jones command?

What percentage of US convenience stores and supermarkets carry Jones?

I'll give you a hint: their annual sales are 0.009% of Pepsi's sales.

52 posted on 04/28/2008 9:04:44 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: mombyprofession
If you watch much television, you've probably heard of a product called Mike's Hard Lemonade.

I don't watch any television, but I see Mike's Hard Lemonade in the beer section of the supermarket, not in the Minute-maid section.

53 posted on 04/28/2008 9:05:44 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Again, Jones - a hard-to-find, upscale brand of soda - it has less than one-thousandth of one percent of the US soft drink market.

99.999% of sodas are not marketed in such bottles and 99.999% of beers are marketed in such bottles.

Let's be rational.

54 posted on 04/28/2008 9:07:24 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: kactus; wideawake
It needs to spelled out right on the front label, if it is an adult beverage!

Maybe. Probably. I know what Mike's is and wouldn't have made the mistake (which I think this was).

55 posted on 04/28/2008 9:07:48 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (There was once consensus that the world was flat.)
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To: wideawake

Sorry, but I can easily understand how somebody wouldn’t know that Mike’s is an alcoholic drink. It doesn’t taste like an alcoholic drink, either.

The reaction to this was nonsense. The proper reaction, once the waiter/waitress saw the kid drinking it, would have been to simply take it away... And replace it with a regular lemonade. Problem solved.


56 posted on 04/28/2008 9:08:20 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: wideawake
When you go to a supermarket or a convenience store you have to look hard to find soda packaged in a glass bottle with a beer style metal twist cap.

Wrong.

There are many instances where regional sodas and root beers (Moxy and Jones spring immediately to mind) are bottled in brown glass, EXACTLY like beer. If one is unfamiliar with what a hard lemonade is, one could easily make such an error.

He probably asked for a lemonade, and the clerk behind the counter gave him whatever he had. The Prof did not ask for a hard lemonade, and even if the guy had corrected with "hard lemonade?", it would not have registered if he did not know what it was.

Total cock up by all involved.

57 posted on 04/28/2008 9:08:30 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: ktscarlett66
"I’ve never had a Mike’s Hard Lemonade and I’ve never seen an ad for it anywhere, but I do know that it’s alcohol, just like hard cider is or that hard sauce is made with rum or brandy. And I know that from *ta da* history books! You’d think Dad would have known that too."

The story states that he ordered a lemonade for his son from a vendor and the vendor handed him a Mike's Hard Lemonade, which clearly looks like regular lemonade, including its packaging.

Since the boy showed absolutely no trace of alcohol in his system 90 minutes after the incident, it should have ended there.

58 posted on 04/28/2008 9:08:49 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: wideawake
All results from GlassBottleSoda. com

West Jefferson Dr. Pepper Bottling

Mail Order Sales? No
Sales At Bottler? Yes
Available At Nearby Stores? Yes
Returnables? No
Bottle Sizes 12 ounces
Products:

7-Up
A&W Root Beer
Big Red
Cheerwine
Cool Mountain
Crush Orange
Diet Cheerwine
Diet Dr Pepper
Dr Pepper
Mt. Dew
Nehi Grape
Nehi Orange
Nehi Peach
Nu Grape
Red Rock Cola
Red Rock Ginger Ale
RC Cola
Sunkist
Welch’s Grape

Pepsi Bottling, Warrenton, VA

Mail Order Sales? No
Sales At Bottler? No
Available At Nearby Stores? Yes
Returnables? No
Bottle Sizes 12 ounces
Products:

Cheerwine
Diet Cheerwine

And that is just two examples at that website.

59 posted on 04/28/2008 9:08:51 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: wideawake; Fundamentally Fair
When you go to a supermarket or a convenience store you have to look hard to find soda packaged in a glass bottle with a beer style metal twist cap.

For that kind of bottle, try looking in the "Fruit Juice" aisle. The "Fruit Juice" aisle is where you will find non-alcoholic lemonade too.


Mountain Fresh Fruit Juices


60 posted on 04/28/2008 9:09:09 AM PDT by Polybius
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