Posted on 04/25/2008 6:17:33 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Imagine: One day you’re frolicking in the open air on a large compound, doing your daily chores, and feasting on hearty homegrown fare; the next you’re gagging on a diet of T&A courtesy of MTV, and fast-food compliments of your fat foster mom. As the makeshift mom hollers at you to swallow your zombifying meds—the Texas foster care system is notorious for pumping its charges full of psychotropic drugs—her flaccid live-in lover eyes you lustily.
Boy - can you say that article is full of hate? Sounds as if it is written by someone who lost parental rights or something...
It is political pedophilia.
Get your facts straight.
They were torn from their mothers at birth. Many don't know who their real mothers are.
This was a kiddie brothel/farm for wretched old men to play.
You know this how?
OH, the government told you. Well, of course, then.
Hank
It’s pretty evident Mercer wasn’t impregnated by a 40 or 50 year old man when she was 14.
Thanks for posting this
Bears repeating...just a little louder.
The Primer: Helping Victims of Domestic Violence and Child Abuse in Polygamous Communities
Ummmm, actually the women that escaped wrote about it
Self-explanatory article Ping!
It's all very well to say that kids died in the care of the state and all, but maybe a little self-examination might be called for here. There's a need. If private people won't address it, we can be sure the government will put forward a highly unsatisfactory pretense of addressing it.
Some FReepers sure have!
Any way the children can be taken out of that cult is good for them.
I mean no offense to you, but I’m not going to participate in this thread.
World Net Daily has very low credibility on my reading list. In my opinion, this article is hysteria, and deserves no response.
This is what you government does to children.
Hank
That’s fine, but Illana Merder is not World Net Daily. The publisher her, but with some resistance.
Hank
Good.
If you do not have an argument, just yell louder. That’ll do it.
Hank
I have a 29 year old son they can have if they want him. He’s a giant pain in the butt.
There's some of those stories from the SPLC and other antiChristian leftists. There's other "escapees" who talk about an oppressive religion, not rape.
Yes it will, thanks :^)
Not if it isn't legal. The presumption of innocence has gone out the window.
Give us a link.
Questin. They got out on their own, didn’t they?
Believe me, they won’t get out of the clutches of CPS. And what will happen to them under their “care” will make whatever happened in their previous environment heaven.
I know the facts. Do you?
Hank
Children are given way too much say-so, given way too much attention to childish complaints, and the do-gooders at CPS fall all over themselves to “protect” children that need no protection.
But, IN THIS CASE, this high profile case, I think we should take a second look. The only entity that can legally help those who don't even know they need it, are CPS.
Well, I guess Ilana Mercer, this article's author, indeed qualifies then as the online village idiot.
The idea that any part of the social order--be it the government, the family, the church, the military...etc. is absolutely autonomous--an entity unto its own & accountable to no one (even God)...is frankly a "heresy" against both conservative principles & Scripture itself.
How’d you get the entire article posted? Isn’t WorldNetDaily supposed to be excerpted? (The post itself is a good one.)
Leave it to the extreme right guard to fail to realize that it's usually failures at the level of the families or the family "arrangements" (alternative configurations) that brings such wide open intervention invitations to the state.
So, besides getting it wrong on God being the only absolutely autonomous being, Mercer seems to convenienly leave out that it's the exploiters who prey upon young girls that have been at the roots of much governmental action. The problem becomes when people refuse to practice self-government...they wind up leaving the door wide open for someone else to hold society accountable.
The "maxim" behind this is operative in all kinds of venues in life...folks' employment...their spiritual lives...relationships...family life, etc. The "maxim" is this: "If you don't 'police' yourself, somebody else will." (If you don't exercise self-government, civil government will kick in to fill the vacuum)
God knew that nature would abhor such a vacuum of accountability; hence he placed the state as a representation of his authority (Romans 13)...even though the state is NEVER to consider itself as the "end-all" authority.
” kids kidnapped by Texas rangers “
Oh geez another fruitcake.
Name a situation...a school counselor hearing about a report of "abuse" from a student...a pastor hearing about a similar report...where the CPS is simply suppose to ignore these reports?
Secondly, is the CPS just suppose to remain actionless or go beyond verifying the basic facts by launching some deep investigation? (What are folks suggesting? That the CPS take the place of our law enforcement system? That the CPS sit on such allegations of abuse in the above circumstances and conducts a 4 to 8 week "investigation?" And then once the investigation concludes, CPS would then have enough "evidence" to act as prosecutor, judge & jury minus the ability of the accused to confront his or her accuser?)
No. The law enforcement folks "plays offense" & conducts the investigation. It presents the evidence to prosecutors to see if there's enough evidence to convict. And then the trial & jury process goes on from there.
Once folks start objecting to the role of the CPS to play "prevent defense" and starts demanding that it has "investigative certainty," all they wind up doing is actually (and quite ironically) meddling with the existing power CPS already has and (ironically) winds up giving them even more power. If folks want to start giving law-enforcement level investigative authority to the CPS, look out!
(And meanwhile, people then ask why the CPS didn't intervene earlier in the cases of sexually abused & abused victims...we've already seen more & more abused victims who were CPS caseloads die in recent years...to the point now where child welfare agencies are playing Monday Morning QB & asking what "signals" they missed in the intervention process)
“This was a kiddie brothel/farm for wretched old men to play. “
They why didn’t they round up all the men?
WordNetDaily does not own individual contributors posts. I posted Ilana’s article pending her approval. I suspect it will be granted—but it is easier to get forgiveness then permission. I would not have posted it, in this case, if I doubted the permission. It was a timing thing.
Hank
Regarding shortage of good foster care homes - here in California, they passed laws that foster parents may not preach or take their charges to church, nor may you say that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, hardly any Christians want to be foster parents.
It is evil to take these children away from their mothers. Evil! And the whole raid was based on a hoax. The Constitution is dead.
They why didn’t they round up all the men?
Uh... perhaps the prosecutor is waiting for the DNA results?
It will be very interesting to hear these old men try to explain away the fact they are the fathers of multiple kids whose mothers are 14 years old...
“Many children are taken from fit and loving parents solely based upon false allegations reported anonymously to a hotline, or as a result of a caseworker’s own personal judgment, or even by someone with a vendetta ...”
False allegation reported anonymously to a hotline . . .or even by someone with a vendetta ...”
Or a judge who wants her 15 minutes of fame.
Well put.
thanks.The ones that do not want to hear the truth about this horrible wretched compund of abuse don’t want to hear that just maybe in this instance, the “government “ did some good and did it very well considering what they were facing.
Very articualte post.
You know nothing about CPS.
This is what I'm reading in the papers Hank... most boys from that cult are evicted and abandoned at a early age so the old men don't have competition. All girls from that cult are married and raped at an early age.
Not sure why you keep saying that about foster care programs. Do you have a link that shows 100% of the girls are raped in foster care? Do you have a link that shows most young boys are abandoned to fend for themselves?
Good friends of mine are foster parents and they are good people. Are you speaking of personal experience or are you just cherry picking the horror stories of foster care that do happen?
Thankyou for posting this Hank.
To those of you replying in support of your child molesters in Texas, I can only say, I’m profoundly relieved I dont live in your country, and know my taxes and my presence dont go to support such unbelievable evil.
Moreover, your responses confirm in me the belief long growing, that Free Republic has been taken over by lefties.
Anyone who truly believed in Freedom would know that one only perpetrates an action of this magnitude when due process has proven beyond doubt that there is good reason.
Here we have — what?
Some hoaxer phone call, a person unseen by anyone, unidentified and unfindable by the press for comment?
Nothing else. The rest is heresay and gossip. No proof of anything. And on this basis you would condone tearing screaming crying children from their desperate mothers?
Imagine it’s you. Remember back when you were 5, and someone came and ripped you away from the only home you had ever known, and the mother who loved you, and threw you in with complete strangers. Do you have any idea of the stats known and demonstrate of children growing up in foster care? How many end up psychologically destroyed for life? School dropouts, criminals, prison inmates?
I know, if anyone had taken my children from me, I’d have gone insane with screaming helpless grief. I think I’d have killed myself, or some damn Child “Protection” social worker.
So I can imagine what those mothers are suffering.
And all on a hoax and a lot of gossip.
Anyone at all who supports this is as evil as the perpetrators and I wish the same punishment on you.
Tell me what you have to say.
the so called Chrisitan “experts “ on this thread are talking like mideval theologians arguing about “how many angels are on the head of a pin.
the reality is massive abuse of children, but noooo, lets just argue about interpetations of scripture.
the “government “ did some good and did it very well considering what they were facing.
Is this FreeRepublic.com? Must have been hyjacked by the left. It takes a village. The nanny state knows what’s best for your children. They can come in with tanks and guns and take your children away, all based on a false accusation. Like I said, the Constitution has been used for toilet paper.
You have said this on every thread and it has been answered but I'll try again....
CPS (CHILD protective services) removes a child from the abusive environment. They DO NOT remove the parents. CPS is NOT Law enforcement so they act in a different manner. Hope this helps.
CPS first goes to the home and interviews the child and the parents. MOST of the calls are followed by determining if there was abuse or just a random call. If there are difficulties very often the family is set up with counseling appointments, anger management and substance abuse help for parents and ongoing visits. In these cases, children are NOT removed. CPS even does family counseling and parenting help( like the nanny show) by therapists IN the home.
Only if there appears to be serious abuse is the child removed ( medically verified sexual or physical abuse ) or parents who are so unfit ( drug users, etc). In every case, the first choice is NOT foster care but a reliable relative( grandparents, etc.).
Oh, well, it’s too late for these kids anyway. Some will die; all will suffer; some will run away. It is a great evil. The authorities are going to great lengths to cover it up. The thing I can’t understand is how so many on FreeRepublic.com have spit on the Constitution. It used to be different around here. I should have known better. Bye.
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