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The days of Swift Boating are numbered
The Ironton Tribune (OH)/irontontribune.com ^ | April 19, 2008 | Jim Crawford

Posted on 04/19/2008 8:02:51 AM PDT by garbageguy

The days of Swift Boating are numbered

Friday, April 18, 2008 12:25 PM EDT While the Democrats continue to gnaw at each other for the party’s nomination, there are signs, indications even, that some of the recent methods of electoral success in the past are fading as effective tools.

Most notably, “Swift Boating,” may finally be on its way to becoming a historical footnote.

Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against th

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; kerry; swiftboating; swiftboatvets
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Just another lefty loon railing about how evil Republicans are. Again.
1 posted on 04/19/2008 8:02:51 AM PDT by garbageguy
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To: garbageguy

All these restrictions of speech have to stop...and remove themselves. Thank you Soros and McCain.


2 posted on 04/19/2008 8:07:40 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: garbageguy

The key to effective “swift boating” is that that target has to be a liar with little character or spine. The swift boater has to be honorable, truthful and courageous. If either one is not just right, it is ineffective.


3 posted on 04/19/2008 8:11:42 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: garbageguy

He doesn’t even know what “Swift Boating” means or is. What a dork.


4 posted on 04/19/2008 8:12:11 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: garbageguy
“Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against the personal character of a candidate.”

Umm, what false charge would that be? They had Kerry dead to rights, lying like a S.A.S.

5 posted on 04/19/2008 8:12:36 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: garbageguy
"well funded false charges ?????
6 posted on 04/19/2008 8:13:27 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: headstamp 2

S.A.S.= S.O.S.


7 posted on 04/19/2008 8:14:12 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: garbageguy
Well, since the charges against Kerry were true, the left's = definition fails. As are these "charges"



THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - OBAMA'S CIRCLE OF FRIENDS

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY AND OBAMA'S CHURCH

8 posted on 04/19/2008 8:14:30 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Don Corleone

He has it defined exactly as the Dems want it defined.


9 posted on 04/19/2008 8:14:40 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: garbageguy

and speaking of garbage ... I can’t read more tha the excerpt. Does the author go on to enumerate the ‘false charges?’

Unlike most ‘negative’ political advertising, the Swift Boat Vets were real people who served w/Kerry who stepped forward courageously against the odds to tell their story and version of events. To this day we haven’t seen a 180.


10 posted on 04/19/2008 8:16:35 AM PDT by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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To: garbageguy

No barf alert? Yeesh.


11 posted on 04/19/2008 8:17:54 AM PDT by Wade827 (Job 21:3)
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To: garbageguy

“well funded false charges”. The Swift Boat charges were true!


12 posted on 04/19/2008 8:18:20 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: garbageguy
Our president did not have a distinctive military service in the National Guard in Texas during the Vietnam War, and his opponent, John Kerry had military service in Vietnam that earned him several purple hearts.

HAHAHAHAHA! The ones printed on Band-aids?

13 posted on 04/19/2008 8:21:13 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: EDINVA
They've got this idiot nailed in the comments:
" Thing you don't recognise your "hero" Kerry was a fraud. The swift boat vets told the truth. Calling attacks on politicians "swift boat attacks" is disrespectful to these vetrans. I think you ows them an apology. I'm sure they won't get one from you but you owe it none the less. "

14 posted on 04/19/2008 8:22:05 AM PDT by Bob
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To: garbageguy
"Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges..."

What false charges?

15 posted on 04/19/2008 8:23:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: garbageguy

Did anyone keep count - how many vets questioned Kerry’s
accounts vs. how many came to his defense? Had to be like
100 to 2 against.


16 posted on 04/19/2008 8:23:31 AM PDT by Thanks RR Rest Well (Frodo failed - Hillary wants the Ring back!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
“well funded false charges”. The Swift Boat charges were true!

The moonbat lexicon says... false (adj.): true, but politically harmful to Democrats.

17 posted on 04/19/2008 8:24:34 AM PDT by Wade827 (Job 21:3)
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To: Thanks RR Rest Well

That is well documented at the swift vet’s web site.


18 posted on 04/19/2008 8:27:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Vision

He has confused Rather-gating with Swift boating. Attack Bush with false lies like Rather, and that’s OK. Attack Kerry with the truth and that is wrong? As usual the liberals have it A@$backward.


19 posted on 04/19/2008 8:32:30 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: garbageguy
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against the personal character of a candidate.

And as this never happened before 2004, the term dates from that time

20 posted on 04/19/2008 8:32:30 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Never apologize, Mister, it's a sign of weakness" - Nathan Brittles)
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To: garbageguy

Has Jon Carey collected his $1 Million yet? He said he was gonna do it...


21 posted on 04/19/2008 8:34:14 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (101st Airborne Army Dad)
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To: garbageguy
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges ...

The writer obviously thinks that Richard Nixon really did send John Kerry into Cambodia in 1968. (Tip: Nixon wasn't President in 1968.)

22 posted on 04/19/2008 8:34:41 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Michael.SF.
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against the personal character of a candidate.

The leftist publications have control of the language. Control language and you control thought. It doesn't matter that their definition is the reverse of reality. "Swiftboating" will mean what they say it means.

Only rarely has a conservative been able to put a word into our vocabulary that hasn't had its meaning twisted by the left. And we are bombarded with "swift-boating", defined (by the left) as lies, "anything scandalous"-gate to remind the unwashed of Nixon, etc, etc. And the list of words usurped by the homosexual lobby is growing. "Gay" is gone from its historical usage. Rainbow, partner, buddy, etc, etc are going fast.

Please. I want my language back.

23 posted on 04/19/2008 8:38:29 AM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: garbageguy

I e mailed Jim Crawford a link to this thread and how people think about his writing.

With writers like him, it’s no wonder Ohio is in deep trouble


24 posted on 04/19/2008 8:39:18 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: garbageguy

“Swiftboating” is actually the revealing of the truth that has been swept under the rug and kept out of the daylight by the MSM.


25 posted on 04/19/2008 8:41:32 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Don Corleone

It means whatever liberals want it to mean, facts be da m ed


26 posted on 04/19/2008 8:43:26 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: garbageguy

To me being Swift Boated is to be a truthful whistle blower and be branded as a liar by partisans who don’t like your message.


27 posted on 04/19/2008 8:43:39 AM PDT by DManA
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To: garbageguy

I sent the Swiftboater’s money before I sent them some more money. Bought their book too.

One of the few times I’ve ever sent any group or political campaign money.

I guess I was duped. /Sar.


28 posted on 04/19/2008 8:47:02 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: Exton1
All of it needs to stop. There should be no restriction on speech except for yelling fire in a crowded theater and such.
29 posted on 04/19/2008 8:47:35 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: DManA

The Swift Boat Vet’s ads worked because they were simply video footage of Kerry’s testimony in Congress, his lies were finally put out for the nation to see.

Since the MSM refused to discuss Kerry’s history and shoved it down their black hole, (just like Saddam and Son’s history), someone had to do the job of reporting to Americans.


30 posted on 04/19/2008 8:51:24 AM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: garbageguy
“Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against the [ratscumbag]”
So let's see frenchie was falsely accused of being a phony who claimed phantom injuries and treason in that he personally conducted “peace talks” with the viet cong. Oh and alger hiss and the rosenbergs were framed and pete seeger was never a communist. helen douglas was never a communist either. As a matter of fact it really was all made up. Right!
Since this is all a pack of lies about frenchie, all he has to do to clear it all up is sign a DD 180.
31 posted on 04/19/2008 8:58:07 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Cracker Jack

Bingo...and not enough conservatives are fighting back.

I always refer to the Iraq operation as the ‘liberation of Iraq’, I never use ‘Iraq war’.

When idiots complain about Bush and his oil buddies I remind them of their war for oil lies.

I don’t use ‘suicide bombing’, I use ‘genocide bombing’ or ‘homicide bombing’.


32 posted on 04/19/2008 9:01:45 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: garbageguy

I seem to remember a $1 million bet to prove any charges false. The bet was ignored(?). Kerry has sunk back into his little liberal hole in the ground.

But hey, thats just reality.


33 posted on 04/19/2008 9:13:27 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeGar

there was no other president but NIXON involved in the vietnam war, dont you know that. (sarc)


34 posted on 04/19/2008 9:14:00 AM PDT by jincarolina
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To: garbageguy


35 posted on 04/19/2008 9:17:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: garbageguy
Quoted from the article: "Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against the personal character of a candidate. The way the game is played is a false charge is raised by a 529 group, one that is not permitted to be under the control of any candidate. The group makes the false charge and then the candidate who may benefit from the attack upon his opponent reminds voters that he/she does not endorse this view and has absolutely no control over those promoting the attack."

False charges that John Kerry has yet to refute despite being offered $1,000,000 in cash if he could do so. This is a great example of "the dog that didn't bark". Kerry's failure to refute the charges and Go Past Go is evidence enough of their truth.

I think that the Dems are very, very fearful of what a Swiftboat attack could do to the candidacy of their Marxist candidate for President, the one and only Obama. Personally, I expect the Swiftboating of Obama to be very effective given the wealth of material available. And that is just what we know now. Just wait until we really dig into this guys political past.

36 posted on 04/19/2008 9:20:54 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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FTA:Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against the personal character of a candidate.

They weren't false charges.

Which is why they were effective.

It turns out John Kerry really was an awful liar and a poor leader devoid of character.

The more you know...

37 posted on 04/19/2008 9:29:36 AM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: garbageguy
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges

don't have to look hard to find the false charge in this drivel do you?

38 posted on 04/19/2008 9:30:10 AM PDT by adversarial (the pros and cons of voting for)
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‘Swift-boating’? Hah!

The democrats cooked up this cooked up phraselet to get the media away from THEIR truly evil invention, ‘Borking’.


39 posted on 04/19/2008 9:30:21 AM PDT by dodger
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To: garbageguy
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges against

Thanks for including the above line at the end of the excerpt - - it indicates there's no need to click the link and read any further. The author is clearly a lying p.o.s., so why bother? See ya on another thread!

FRegards,
LH

40 posted on 04/19/2008 9:33:59 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Obama, Kerry, and the democrats can just hope.


41 posted on 04/19/2008 9:35:31 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH.)
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To: TLI
John Kerry had military service in Vietnam that earned him several purple hearts.

Purple hearts that he recommended for himself. A fact F Kerry never denied.

42 posted on 04/19/2008 9:42:26 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH.)
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To: garbageguy
Swift Boating describes the effective use on well funded false charges...

If leftists couldn't lie, they'd have to be silent.

The real story of how the Swift Vets torpedoed Kerry can be found right here.

43 posted on 04/19/2008 9:46:45 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: garbageguy
Has John Fraud Kerry signed Standard Form SF-180 in a manner which would allow his military record to be released directly to the public and submitted it to the Federal Records Center in St. Louis, Missouri yet?
44 posted on 04/19/2008 9:54:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: EDINVA
Unlike most ‘negative’ political advertising, the Swift Boat Vets were real people who served w/Kerry who stepped forward courageously against the odds to tell their story and version of events. To this day we haven’t seen a 180.

Nor have we seen a refutation of these charges by Kerry or anybody associated with his campaign.

That is, unless you want to count the New York Times' idle claim that the charges had been "discredited" (they never said how or by whom)...

45 posted on 04/19/2008 10:04:03 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: garbageguy

Vietnam veterans have now been granted popular acceptance, and a multitude of sources are stating they served with courage, commitment, and dedication, while holding to the position SwiftBoat Veteran’s for Truth were a blight on our society. This position directly contradicts John Kerry’s report to the Washington Star, saying, “We established an American presence in most cases by showing the flag and firing at sampans and villages along the banks. Those were our instructions, but they seemed so out of line that we finally began to go ashore, against our orders, and investigate the villages that were supposed to be our targets. We discovered we were butchering a lot of innocent people, and morale became so low among the officers on those ‘swift boats’ that we were called back to Saigon for special instructions from Gen. Abrams. He told us we were doing the right thing. He said our efforts would help win the war in the long run. That’s when I realized I could never remain silent about the realities of the war in Vietnam.” Kerry further testified before Congress saying, “We had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command…..They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country”.

Such a position poses a dilemma. Is the first position true? If so, then how are we to regard assertions Swiftboat Veteran’s for Truth made scurrilous and disgraceful attacks when they vehemently contradicted Kerry’s claims about his and others actions in Vietnam. In which roll was John Kerry a great patriot? How do we regard his four months of service in Vietnam, where he was given the Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts? How do we regard his two years of service with Vietnam Veterans Against the War, which the North Vietnamese consider sufficiently valuable to recognize him in their war memorial in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). Only the presence of a stunning naiveté approaching the supernatural could not identify a contradiction.

The current position does not offer a means to re-interpret the understanding of others and my service with TF-116. In my little corner of the war on the Ca Mau Peninsula our boats and ships were ordered not to return fire from the village of Nam Can as they transited to and from Seafloat. We were expected to gut it out through the kill zone, because the village was designated by us as a sanctuary from the war for civilians. However, I am popularly and historically considered a victim and un-indicted war criminal, while now at the same having served courageously.


46 posted on 04/19/2008 10:07:38 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: okie01

maybe the best part of the SBV ‘04 activities was watching Lawrence O’Donnell’s veins popping as he screamed repeatedly at John O’Neill who sat there cool as a cucumber. I thought for the second time in my life I’d see someone die live on tv.


47 posted on 04/19/2008 10:33:06 AM PDT by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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To: garbageguy

“Swiftboating” is repeatedly presenting truth to the lies told by a political aspirant so that the liar’s plans are foiled and he looks like a fool. JF Kerry is the gold standard example.


48 posted on 04/19/2008 10:34:17 AM PDT by Clara Lou (~sigh~ '08)
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To: garbageguy
I signed up to The Irontown Tribune to post this

Your definitions are certainly convoluting the definition of ‘Swift Boating”. Like reassigning Red and Blue colors to running away from the word liberal, a definition more in tune with a libertarian than a statist such as yourself.

“Swift Boating” is an exposure of a person's falsely defined public image. It is only done by forces outside the media and parties. The media does not ‘Swift Boat” it libels or engages in character assassination. Dan rather was swift-boated. So was Kerry.

If the charges against Kerry were false, he has had plenty of time to refute them,all he has to do is fully release his service records. "

49 posted on 04/19/2008 11:33:58 AM PDT by OeOeO
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Good work.

Here’s mine:

Swiftboating: Exposing the lies, deceit and fraud of self-glorifying public officials or candidates for public office who exaggerate their military service by lying about feats of heroism or combat wounds.

Kerry is a man whose honor wasn’t besmirched as much as his dishonor was revealed.

If you disagree (and have PROOF the Swifties lied about John Kerry), there’s $1 million waiting to be collected from T. Boone Pickens.

Jim Crawford, your money awaits you. Show us the PROOF.


50 posted on 04/19/2008 11:53:50 AM PDT by shoptalk
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