Posted on 04/18/2008 6:55:52 AM PDT by sickoflibs
In broadening the legal definition of rape, Maryland's highest court has rightly expanded women's rights, recognizing the importance of their being able to assert control at times of particular vulnerability. The seven judges may have relied on different legal reasoning, but they were unanimous in concluding that a woman can change her mind and withdraw consent during sexual intercourse - and that a man has to honor her decision. Making that more clear in the law is a welcome advance that should help juries as they weigh the facts in individual cases.
Rape generally involves physical or psychological power and violence. It's usually not about sex, but one person dominating another or provoking fear. But physical relationships between men and women can get complicated, and what may start out as an act of intimacy can become an act of terror. If that happens - or other circumstances intervene - a woman should be able to reverse course and insist that the man does as well. His failure to heed her change of heart leaves him open to a rape charge.
The court's decision sends the case of Maouloud Baby back to trial. In 2004, Mr. Baby was convicted of first-degree rape and other offenses in Montgomery County after a woman changed her mind about sex as intercourse began. His five-second or so delay in complying with her newly voiced "no" was found to be not fast enough. Mr. Baby may or may not fare better with another jury. Determining whether a man acted appropriately may often be a difficult call, requiring prosecutors, judges and juries to assess each case carefully and use common sense. But at least now a woman's right to say no at any time during sex has legal force that can set some boundaries
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...
more at :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maouloud_Baby_v._State_of_Maryland
Gosh, “maybe” God has it right - the best situation for a man is to be in a married relationship and not be having sex with anyone other than his wife.
She was 18, he was 15. Seems another one of those feminatzi cases to screw men.
And posted three stories earlier here on FR is this story, with the headline: “Teacher who had sex with 14 year old gets probation”!
Of course this time the perp was a 22 year old woman. Double standards prevail.
This is an absolute outrage. She changes her mind during consensual sex and it’s RAPE ?!? This bullshit is getting out of hand.....
Yes, that is true. So much of our society’s problems wouldn’t even exist if we’d just listen to God to begin with!
If the act of concensual sex has already occured, how does it become retroactively criminal?
Must be those damn time machines again.
This can also mean that the male tells the female ahead of time that if she says “stop” during sex, he will, for good.
That she can say stop anytime she likes outside of sex, but if she says “stop” during sex, it means the end of their relationship. For that reason, they also need to agree on a “safe word”, that *means* “stop, you’re hurting me”, but is not “stop”.
“Stop” means you want to break up, right now. And no matter what else you say, it is for good. To continue in the relationship, *at all*, is to be a rapist, in the eyes of the law. Because anything said after “stop” could be construed as coercive, even days later.
Oh, we know better than that . . . in Maryland, at least.
If I read the article right then this is bad for Mr. Baby. He did comply which is what is important. I think any sane person would understand in the difficulty in just abruptly stopping.
That being said I cannot understand why my fellow man continue to go out there looking for non marital sex when on top of all the other potential problems this gets added on. Of course this could happen amongst married couples and if so you can safely say goodbye to solid relationships or even marriages for that matter. The extreme being an increase in single lonely bitter women growing old with their cats and single lonely bitter men growing old with their dogs.
I’ve had an epiphany recently.
The 10 commandments aren’t about restricting behaviors, or “party pooping” life, or even totally about showing obedience to God (thought that’s a good part of it) -
they’re a recipe for a good life.
For example, “thou shalt not covet” is a protection from becoming indebted, bankrupt, and generally dissatisfied with your “stuff”.
This article is a direct example of why adulterous sex can be so dangerous, and you’d be way better off to avoid it.
so just as the man is ready to finish during concensual intercourse the woman says no....oops too late....now charged with rape...??...what is this country coming to....
Isn’t that true -
liberals walk around “safe” in the knowledge that they’re smarter than God.
but also remember that men HAVE been charged with raping thier wifes also in cases like this so how does being married protect him....??....
So how is one to interpret the phrase: “Don’t stop”? Do you ask the woman if there is a comma between don’t and stop?
At the same time, laws like this would allow even a married woman to say “no” in the middle of something.
I would lay big odds that the stats still show less occurence of false accusations in marriage than outside of marriage.
That being said, “be choosy” would be a good operative philosophy.
roflmao....good point.....
This sounds like a major crock. Of course, as others are pointing out, the way to completely avoid such a jam has been spelled out for us these 3500 years.
so it is ok for a few good married men to be found guilty of rape to justify this law...??...seems to me a problem there.....
You’ll not see me anywhere supporting this law.
I support God’s laws, though, as the way to have the best possible chance for a good life.
With stories like this I’m beginning to think Spitzer had it right....
If true, then the wrong party was on trial for rape. (At least, given all the 'Naughty Teacher' prosecutions recently.)
Asinine ruling that causes more harm than good.
Liberalism is a mental disorder...
If she consented for the first part, wouldn't that be statutory rape (of him, by her)? So they both managed to rape each other, using similarly absurd definitions of the term?
You’re right, but putting in place a bad law doesn’t fix anything.
“Gosh, “maybe” God has it right - the best situation for a man is to be in a married relationship and not be having sex with anyone other than his wife.”
That won’t protect you. If she gets mad at you, she can say you raped her even if you didn’t. Total abstinence is the only safe behavior.
The rule should be like that in football if you intercept a pass near the end zone. If your momentum takes you into the end zone, you are safe and can just take the touch back.
To commit statutory rape of a 15-18 year old, you must be over 21. If they are under 14, you must be at least 4 years older than them. I think those numbers are correct for this state, although I am stating them from memory from yesterday.
Exactly. Mr. Baby was charged with first degree rape. That's the same charge given to some animal who had hid in the bushes and waited for the next female jogger to pass him by.
lol... you think people intentionally choose partners who will behave irrationally? No one EXPECTS their partner to accuse them of rape.
“The extreme being an increase in single lonely bitter women growing old with their cats and single lonely bitter men growing old with their dogs.”
It’s already happening, no fault divorce and the women’s movement did far, far more damage than this will. Ever go to a dating site? They’re literally clogged with 30-40 something single mothers - and most of them end up writing nasty comments along the lines of “where are all the GOOD guys?” (Married to good women, of course.)after a few months of Sex In The City with the sleazes who cruise the personals.
The most abuse this law will get is women getting ‘revenge” in nasty divorce suits. He won’t pay up? Engineer an intimate “Let’s try it again” session, say stop, he delays 5 seconds - he’s charged with rape, and her lawyer rapes him for ALL of his money.
This is just a drop in the ocean of why men and women are getting more and more alienated from each other year after year. It’s not surprising anymore, and it’s just one more reason to stay home instead of playing in today’s dating swamp/toxic pools of sludge.
Stop! This is crazy.
All guys need to tell the woman that they need to tape the act with a high speed video camera good to thousandths of a second and that each of them need to hook up to an ‘orgasmometer’ hooked to the camera just to make sure everything is legal.
If she refuses, tape the refusal and take it to court with you if needed.
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Wait....
Marry...
Remain faithful....
All the fantasy, fulfillment & fun you want without the legal mysteries, manipulative entanglements, and LEO-placed ankle bracelets...
JMHO...
If everyone woman had the right to jail a man based on regrets there would not be enough jails to house the men.
It would be interesting to do a sting operation and see if one of the male Maryland Supreme Court justices could be lured by a woman (paid by someone else), and after beginging the deed, she demands stopping and him reacting within 3 seconds.
Teacher who had sex with 14-year-old gets probation Friday, April 18, 2008 8:49:13 AM · by pissant · 38 replies · 1,177+ views
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“If she consented for the first part, wouldn’t that be statutory rape”
She did consent, if you read the article she had just been with another guy. The 15 yr old ask if he could also have some and she consented.
The statutory rape by her seems likely but the age difference may not be enough.
Either way, she’s a skank, he’s a skank but this wasn’t rape.
The 10 commandments aren’t about restricting behaviors, or “party pooping” life, or even totally about showing obedience to God (thought that’s a good part of it) -
they’re a recipe for a good life.
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I believe you are absolutely right!
I could see it if he took another 5 mins or something. But 5-10 seconds?
very well put....anymore women out there wish to comment...??
I swore I wouldn’t do more than lurk in this thread, but I just want to put this out there, I have no link for this but years ago I volunteered at a shelter for abused women—many many rape cases involving married couples have been where the couples are separated and the not-yet-ex husband attacks the not-yet-ex wife after coming uninvited to her home. These attacks often occurred right in front of the kids, and they tended to happen in lower income communities. I am sure there have been cases where a married woman living with her husband accused him of rape (anyone remember John and Greta Rideout?) but I would be willing to bet they are the exceptions. Flame on..
“Sadly, I think these types of rulings do more to discredit women who are “truly” rape victims and elevates and blurs the line between the poor choices of some women over women who are truly victims of a real crime. “
Absolutely
The middle class fondness for marriage died about 20 years ago with no-fault divorce and social changes. Sad for the kids. Child support laws were probably thought to promote marriage to conservatives but they turned out (with no fault divorce) to promote single Mom-hood in middle class, as welfare did to the cities 15 years earlier. This is mainly because it’s so one sided, one side gets money tax free with no strings(except custody), the other has to pay taxes on the garnished wages.
“Gosh, “maybe” God has it right - the best situation for a man is to be in a married relationship and not be having sex with anyone other than his wife.
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I enjoy a good self-rightous cluck as much as anyone but you do realize this applies to you and your wife (and me and mine) as well, right?
If Mr. Baby was 15 at the time, it sounds like the woman is the rapist.
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