Posted on 04/17/2008 7:44:24 PM PDT by claudiustg
Every four years, conservative "pragmatists" trot out the "We Can’t Let So-And-So Win" mantra. Of course, the so-and-so in question is always the Democratic Presidential candidate. For all of my adult life, I have been listening to so-called "conservative" Republicans warn us of the impending doom that would befall our country if the Democratic candidate were elected. And this year is no different.
This year’s Republican primary did provide a wonderful aberration, however, to the usual choices between Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Republicans had an opportunity to nominate a real American constitutionalist, a statesman in the similitude of Thomas Jefferson or James Madison. That man was Texas Congressman, Ron Paul. Unfortunately, the Republican faithful seem to be incapable of discerning the marks of true greatness, not to mention fidelity to constitutional government. It is doubtful that most of them even understand what constitutional government is. And as for Christian conservatives, they can barely see any issues beyond abortion and "gay rights." To try and convince them to support a constitutionalist candidate is like talking to a brick wall.
So, what choice does the Republican Party offer the American people this year? The worst of all possible choices: good old John "McSame" McCain.
Let’s be clear: a John McCain Presidency will be no better than a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama Presidency. In fact, in many ways, a McCain White House will be WORSE than a Democratic one.
(Excerpt) Read more at constitutionparty.com ...
"I am convinced that only a miracle can save America now. And I am expecting God to grant such a miracle. Beyond that, I am willing to do my part to place myself in a position to let God use my voice and my vote to accomplish this miracle. And if that means voting for someone who "has no chance of winning" in order to let God take the glory for whatever victory results, it is the least I can do. So, who will join me?"
“... and that’s the troof”.
Who’ll join you? Only the frig’gin insane, buddy!
I’ll be voting for a Conservative. I won’t be voting for McCain.
As it should be. There are evil people in this world trying to destroy us. The last 2 'rat idiots in the oval office, Carter & Clinton, did absolutely NOTHING to stop them. NOTHING.
“Republicans had an opportunity to nominate a real American constitutionalist, a statesman in the similitude of Thomas Jefferson or James Madison. That man was” . . . TA-DA! . . . “Texas Congressman, Ron Paul.”
He had me going, up to that point. Then it all fell apart.
We'll survive McCain. We survived Bush, Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Hoover, Harding, Grant, a Civil War, and even James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce. America's tough despite all the boys who cry wolf around here.
We already tried isolationism Chuck. It didn’t work. What did Einstein say about doing the same thing and expecting a different result?
“I am convinced that only a miracle can save America now. And I am expecting God to grant such a miracle. Beyond that, I am willing to do my part to place myself in a position to let God use my voice and my vote to accomplish this miracle. And if that means voting for someone who “has no chance of winning” in order to let God take the glory for whatever victory results, it is the least I can do. So, who will join me?”
NO.
BTW - And that is coming from a Ron Paul primary voter.
I won't be joining him.
First of all, God takes the glory no matter who I vote for.
Secondly, Ron Paul doesn't impress me. This guy talks as if he's the next Ronald Reagan. Please! Give me a break!
Too bad we can’t ask Woodrow Wilson for the answer to that.
Better not. I let him use my lawnmower and he still hasn't returned it.
Uh huh.
The only way to save America was to nominate a sure-to-lose libertarian gold-bug isolationist screwball?
OK, we are toast.
Alternative miracle: McCain puts a VP in that is rock-solid and we survive the 4 years of mcCain who doesnt run again, by which time the infatuation with leftist dreck like Obama is over.
Gameplan: Obama beats Hillary, McCain beats Obama, conservatives beat RINOs
One of my favorite thinkers had some thoughts about this as well. Ayn Rand completely rejected the Libertarian party movement claiming some sort of connection to the objectivist/individualist ideals. Above all, do not join the wrong ideological groups or movements, in order to 'do something.' By 'ideological' (in this context), I mean groups or movements proclaiming some vaguely generalized, undefined (and, usually, contradictory) political goals. (E.g., the Conservative Party, which subordinates reason to faith, and substitutes theocracy for capitalism; or the 'libertarian' hippies, who subordinate reason to whims, and substitute anarchism for capitalism.) To join such groups means to reverse the philosophical hierarchy and to sell out fundamental principles for the sake of some superficial political action which is bound to fail. It means that you help the defeat of your ideas and the victory of your enemies.
For the record, I shall repeat what I have said many times before: I do not join or endorse any political group or movement. More specifically, I disapprove of, disagree with and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called 'hippies of the right,' who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultaneously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs.
I remember when I was a little kid, adults used to say, “God helps those who help themselves.”
I just googled it, and find about a hundred people who point out that this is “not in the Bible.” But what I take it to mean is that if the country freely chooses to go to hell in a handbasket, we can’t necessarily expect God to bail us out.
I have more than once said I hoped we’d have a miracle between now and next November. We can’t really expect it, but we can pray for it. Maybe if enough people pray, God will hear us.
So, no harm in praying—but I draw the line at Ron Paul.
I think he is Jeremiah Wright's brother from another mother.
“No I won’t join you Chuck. I can not let Barack Obama pick four Supreme Court Justices.
We’ll survive McCain. We survived Bush, Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Hoover, Harding, Grant, a Civil War, and even James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce. America’s tough despite all the boys who cry wolf around here. “
DITTOS.
McCain spent 5 years in a prison camp. That is probably the only experience that IMHO is really qualifying any of the candidates for that high office.
Obama and Clinton are grifters who have done nothing for the nation but use politics to gain power. McCain actually sacrificed for our country.
yeah, he’s a moderate not a conservative and is wrong on some issues. BFD. We are going to survive whatever errors he makes and I look forward to his spending cuts and his tax cuts and his conservative court nominations - PLUS, his leadership to win with honor in Iraq and draw down troops as peace take hold there.
Obama/Clinton are wrong on just about everything you can name, including the BIG STUFF: Taxes, Iraq, Judges.
Maybe we need a “Conservatives for McCain” group.
Gameplan: Obama beats Hillary, McCain beats Obama, conservatives beat RINOs
No. Choices other than John McCain will result in the Democratic canidate being elected, just like in 1992 and 1996. Of course maybe you were too young to remember?
Many don’t know this, but that not so crazy Texas business man, Ross Perot, had an agreement with Bill Clinton. If he caused the failure of the Republicans to get the Presidency, he would later have a guaranteed contract to handle the checks for Medicare.
And greed won.
Go ahead. Be a stool pigeon for the Democrats. You won’t be first.
Well most of what he said was true up to the paul part. However, he is right about insane mccain, there is no way in hell I would ever vote for the over the hill old fart.
Every four years, political dreamers trot out the "We Can't Vote for So-And-So" mantra. Of course, the so-and-so in question is always the duly nominated Presidential candidate of their party (or the party with which they usually align).
These are the people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for George H.W. Bush or Bob Dole, for example, and thus helped (some would say caused) the country to endure eight years of Bubba and, now, his wife---who would have had no national political opening whatsoever had the 'Toons unceremoniously been sent back to Arkansas in 1992.
As for putting oneself in the position to "accomplish" a miracle, some acts are very nigh to testing God, which is never a good idea. One can walk in front of a speeding 18-wheeler to "position oneself for a miracle" as well, but that's also not a good idea.
Ron Paul is from the government, he is here to help.
Chucky will love it when Obama or Clinton become President.
Thank you, Thank you for this true statement. Many won't believe it.
Wrong... Paul talks like Ron Ray Gun..
Like he gonna go to D.C.. and ZAP them..
However, Ron Paul, could have raised a real defacation storm in D.C.
Which is what I was HOPEING FOR..
' As President he could tied both houses of Congress in KNOTS..
And possibly even selected some capitalists or even libertarians to the Supremes..
Sorry to say he would have been assinated with in a year..
NOW if he selected G. Gordon Liddy as VeeP.. then the ball game would be ON..
Chuck, you should know better. The Bible says “Thou shalt not put the Lord your God to the test.” If you want to throw yourself in front of train go ahead, but I will not be joining you.
Another great out of the ball park article by Baldwin and he’s right on this. The GOP is as wrong as the DEMs and it’s time the GOP stopped pretending otherwise. Once again my vote for POTUS will likely go Third Party. If McCain is elected the GOP public will go back to the same nap it has taken under Bush for 8 years. (I bet McCain even adopts Bush’s “you’re either for us or” nonsense to get his way on trade.
Then you might as well vote Democrat.
Alec baldwin’s brother?
I’ll give this to McCain; he dropped bombs on Commies! Its the part about putting a bunch commie illegals in line for citizenship that bothers me.
“I can hear readers screaming at me now, saying that voting for a third party candidate is a wasted vote. I strongly disagree! Casting a vote for a person who you know is unfaithful to your principles is a wasted vote! Voting for someone who you know will keep our borders and ports open to illegals, continue George Bush’s preemptive war doctrine, and facilitate a burgeoning hemispheric government—not to mention someone who will increase and augment a burgeoning Orwellian police state—is a wasted vote!”
Just as we never gave an amnesty bill for pro-amnesty Bush to sign, we'll never let Congress pass a bill for McCain to sign - even McCain said secure the border first and fix enforcement ...
Chuck Baldwin is about as Conservatives as a person can get. He's a good man and a great American as well. Most of us with sign on dates 1999 and prior remember Baldwin articles were common in here. Then again so were one by Lee Shelton or former Free Sheltonmac another good and decent man.
As for the fool above, he believes in a miracle, so he doesn't need us. Good, that solves his problem. I've been listening to these nuts (and not following them) through 41 years of voting. We are still here, despite their claim that disaster is always imminent, which they have shouted since long before I could vote. The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.
Sociopaths make good dictators, but they are only useful for amusement in countries governed by consent of the populace.
As I said above they are also right about a lot of things. They never figure out why that doesn't matter, and I'm not going to tell them. They are best left as they are, on the fringe and powerless. It's an imperfect world. I adjust, persevere, adapt and deal with it. Life is great in the doomed USA! Yes, yes I know, it's all about to come crashing down. That's OK, it's been a hell of good run even if it ends tonight. I'm on borrowed time anyway.
Should read: Then again so were one by Lee Shelton or former Freeper “Sheltonmac” another good and decent man.
So it's another garden variety "Let Hillary Win!" rant. Worst idea of the century.
The first time, we had a few thousand heroes. Now we need a miracle.
... Voting for some perfect ideal-for-you-only 1% candidate and thereby letting Obama DESTROY AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT because you didn’t stop him when you had a chance ... *THAT* is a wasted vote!!!
We, as a country, have not been living the American dream to the true sense of the meaning for a long time. We have been fighting tooth and nail against the erosion of it. I don't think thats what the Founding Father's had planned.
Go ahead, vote for McCain because he's not as vehement against the 2nd Amendment as the other two socialists. Vote for him because he's strong on "terror". Vote for him because he's got an R next to his name. Vote for him because you think next time around will be better. This country will be just like the Roman Empire. We spread our assets to far and too thin across the world and it will all come crumbling down because the American people have become fat and lazy and have no concept of self-preservation. We deserve the government we get.
Flame on...
McCain said...:^) How are you going to stop the Congress. McCain has got zero coattails. The Dims are likely to win substantial majorities.
You think McCain is gonna save it? Bwahaha!!
A decent third party candidate gives me someone for whom to vote rather than writing in a name. It does not change the fact that I will not vote for John McCain. Who knows? Perhaps a good third party candidate might help salvage some of the down-ticket Conservatives.
In 1976 I was so turned off my the machinations of the Republican party that I voted for James Earle Carter, biggest regret of my life. I wish I could tell you what I know about his Presidency, but I had a Top Secret Clearance then and for many years afterward and cannot. Just let me say that Carter was and is evil without realizing it, the poor sod.
Men (and women, too) do what they feel are correct and honorable acts only later to realize that the horrible results which, if they’d only thought ahead a bit and did some historical reserch, could have been prevented.
There is nothing new here, Cladius. This has, in one form or another happened before. What I am aiming for is to keep the War on Terror on track, a thing the Democrats want to derail and which I know McCain will sustain, and keep working my butt off locally and State-wide for the GOP to support REAL grass-roots Conservatism. My tagline, sweetie, says it all.
And no, I will not scream at you.
What can I say? I feel his pain? Now what? Vote for a loser which will deliver another hard core socialist (including 2-4 socialist SCOTUS justices)? Haven’t we been there before?
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